Opinion Trump orders swathes of US forests to be cut down for timber

[koquerelle]

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Why did you delete the pic?

 

[Boxiana]

Responsible harvesting is so much better than catastrophic Forest fires that pollute all of Earth.

So the old growth forest which has survived for hundreds if not thousands of years needs to be cut down to save it. Got it.

 

[Deorum]

Wow I did not know that, in my mind I always associated Teddy with the emergence of conservation here in the US but at the same time it's often the case that those we credit with creating something are in fact building on what they inherit from a predecessor and that seems to be the case here.

Just when you thought Honest Abe couldn't get any greater, huh. The most capitalistic nation on earth has the world's greatest conservation system. Teddy is so closely tied to the movement because he was genuinely peerless; he basically took a seedling and grew it into a Giant Sequoia. There are few presidents who have ever wielded the office with such force and action had to be taken by the legislature to curtail it, lol. TR is single-handedly responsible for the protection of over 225 million acres of American wilderness in the form of 150 national forests, 55 wildlife refuges, and 18 national monuments (six of which were later upgraded to full fledged national park designation by Congress). He was the foremost protector of the Grand Canyon, which constitutes the greatest geological spectacle to be found on the planet for a number of reasons.



^^ This photo is proudly framed and displayed inside the Roughrider Saloon next to the North Rim visitor center at the Grand Canyon (@Rob Battisti / @Long Dark Blues). It cracks me up every time I see it, just impossible not to smile. What a fucking legend.

I love it. I wish this subforum allowed uploads. I have a 1940s oil painting of TR in my office. He’s holding his signature whipping stick.

I really do appreciate it brother. And I apologize for how i interpreted your initial comment. My reaction was more of a, that's well and good but I'm not confident in thinking that's the end all be all. I truly believe the masks are off and nothing is off limits. It's reassuring being presented the layers of protections.

One of my favorite TR excerpts of all-time, in regards to the Congressional authority that was vested in the POTUS through the General Revision Act of 1891 which I referred to earlier.

The policies and spirit of the Roosevelt Administration were on grand display in March 1907. The President, with the Chief Forester Gifford Pinchot at his side, had enraged politicians the previous five years by unilaterally proclaiming more than a hundred national forests. Now Congress was about to bring him up short by shutting down his power under the once-minor 1891 provision. The House and Senate approved a measure that would block him from declaring new national forests. Roosevelt’s opponents strategically embedded the measure in the general appropriations bill, which the President would have no choice but to approve.

But an event intervened. For some reason, the appropriations bill found its way to the bottom of TR’s “bills to sign” pile. This may have been related to the activities of the full, frenzied, and celebratory previous week, when Roosevelt, Pinchot, and his men laid out maps of western states on the floor and drew boundary lines around national forest candidates. The President himself had gotten down on his hands and knees to check out the topography.

So, when it came to signing time, before he could get to the appropriations bill at the bottom of the pile, he just happened to sign a raft of orders, 38 in all, creating still more national forests totaling no less than 16 million acres—one-quarter the size of Colorado. Only then did the president turn to approving the law that abrogated his authority in the six listed states. For TR, who so loved to inject drama—and joy—into the making of public policy, signing the “Midnight Reserves” was one of his most cherished moments. He laughed that his opponents “turned handsprings in their wrath.” “Oh,” he exulted, “this is bully!”

 

[lifelessheap]

So the old growth forest which has survived for hundreds if not thousands of years needs to be cut down to save it. Got it.

You are so ignorant. This is why catastrophic fires happen in California. But not in old growth Red Woods and Sequoias.

 

[Deorum]

@evergreenrider, just make sure you take nothing for granted despite any newly learned assurances and knowledge because, unfortunately, there is little reason to believe the Admin won't attempt to break the law anyway. @Andy Capp was right to point that out, and it will be a necessity to immediately challenge in federal court. We have an extraordinary amount of public land in America (enough that it would be among the top five largest countries in the world by land mass itself), but it falls under a very wide range of classifications and designations, managed by different agences with different statutes and protections that range from extremely stringent to not much at all. I guess I could lay out all of the types and the relevant laws and regulations they are subject to some time this weekend but it's ridiculously dry and I don't think anybody wants to read all that shit, lol.

 

[Deorum]

So the old growth forest which has survived for hundreds if not thousands of years needs to be cut down to save it. Got it.

But not in old growth Red Woods and Sequoias.

Just look at this, man. The tree's name is Sentinel, and it's been alive since the heyday of the Roman Empire with deep, battled tested fire scars to show for it. He stands guard just outside the museum, isn't even among the top 25 largest trees in that grove.

 

[sickc0d3r]

No, there are federal statutes codified into United States law on this, and he can fuck off.

The “Trump is trying to break some laws again” line is over there. Take a number and have a seat.

 

[Deorum]

The “Trump is trying to break some laws again” line is over there. Take a number and have a seat.

Give me your number to cut in front, breh. You can focus on why the election wasn't even competitive and how that is going to change the next time around.

 

[Deorum]

Monica

 

[sickc0d3r]

Give me your number to cut in front, breh. You can focus on why the election wasn't even competitive and how that is going to change the next time around.

Oh that’s easy, the democrats’ game is weak sauce, and we have a country full of morons for choosing that idiot Trump over some much better republicans.

I’m good at capitalism, though, so no worries. I’d rather focus on and making fun of people from the sidelines while the president makes everything more expensive and tries to wreck our system of government. Been a hoot so far.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Give me your number to cut in front, breh. You can focus on why the election wasn't even competitive and how that is going to change the next time around.

Trump won less than half the popular vote and only won it by 1.5% and you don't think that's competitive?

 

[Deorum]

Trump won less than half the popular vote and only won it by 1.5% and you don't think that's competitive?

I'm not looking to get into a "mandate" debate with you (and that's not what I'm saying), but hell no it wasn't and that was an early night. The fact that he won the popular vote by any percentage is damning, nevermind managing to take every single swing state, flip multiple senate seats, and keep the damn house. And all this while relentlessly pushing "rigged election" narratives the whole fucking time, which he still hasn't let go even after taking office. It was disastrous for Dems man, there is no solace to take and no silver lining to find from it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not looking to get into a "mandate" debate with you (and that's not what I'm saying), but hell no it wasn't and that was an early night. The fact that he won the popular vote by any percentage is damning, nevermind managing to take every single swing state, flip multiple senate seats, and keep the damn house. And all this while relentlessly pushing "rigged election" narratives the whole fucking time, which he still hasn't let go even after taking office. It was disastrous for Dems man, there is no solace to take and no silver lining to find from it.

If you grade Trump on a steep curve then sure it was a great performance but it was a relatively close election with the popular vote and the electoral college vote is roughly in line with what we saw with Biden's win in 2020, I think Trump only picked up six or so more EC votes and I would say the Biden win was close as well.

 

[HereticBD]

Trump won less than half the popular vote and only won it by 1.5% and you don't think that's competitive?

89% of counties shifted right. Swept the swing states. Won the popular vote.

It wasn't even close. Keep coping, though.

 

[lifelessheap]

Just look at this, man. The tree's name is Sentinel, and it's been alive since the heyday of the Roman Empire with deep, battled tested fire scars to show for it. He stands guard just outside the museum, isn't even among the top 25 largest trees in that grove.

My father in law cut those big bastards down in California. The pictures are insane. Ermagawd... There are still hundreds of millions up on millions of trees! My childhood house was built in 1870 in NorCal in the mountains. It was built as a hospital to serve railroad workers. We have a picture of it when it was completed. Everything was clear cut. Fast forward to today...

My parents can barely get fire insurance because there are too many trees.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Staff so far.l, not sure about funding

Yeah, don't care about the staff to be honest. Have been to most of the parks and the staff only annoyed me.

Love them, Americas treasures, don't touch the land.

 

[jimjamjammer]

Yeah, don't care about the staff to be honest. Have been to most of the parks and the staff only annoyed me.

Love them, Americas treasures, don't touch the land.

Fair, but the staff help keep tourists from doing stupid things and ruining stuff with their stupidity. Also the rangers help protect against poachers.

 

[Deorum]

If you grade Trump on a steep curve then sure it was a great performance but it was a relatively close election with the popular vote and the electoral college vote is roughly in line with what we saw with Biden's win in 2020, I think Trump only picked up six or so more EC votes and I would say the Biden win was close as well.

I'm just giving the honest advice of a tru fren, Dems need serious recalibration (IMO).

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm just giving the honest advice of a tru fren, Dems need serious recalibration (IMO).

I don't disagree that a recalibration is in order but I also think the election was fairly close and giving into the narrative that the it was some landslide isn't going to help.

 

[Deorum]

I don't disagree that a recalibration is in order but I also think the election was fairly close and giving into the narrative that the it was some landslide isn't going to help.

It looks like none other than @Rational Poster is poised to be your 2028 nominee, which you should favor since he's a pro-market liberal and firm believer of American exceptionalism. In regards to the latter: I was going to say that the Dems need a nice injection of patriotism back into the party if for no other purpose than to serve as counterweight to all of the apologizing and groveling over social justice the last 10 years.