International Trump is Truly a Putin Cuck - Russia and Trump Says Ukraine Must Elect a New President as Part of a Peace Deal

[brothir]

If that is their goal then they should accept a peace agreement.

Except no peace agreement that demands them to cede further, or is worth trusting has been proposed

 

[syct23]

Putin started the invasion because his goal is the demise of europe that he obtaibed thanks his buddy. He dont give a shit about ucraine.

Now do Thursday…

 

[Seano]

The military aid would stop when the conflict is over. The civilian aid would stop whenever the US government stops sending it. Ukrainians themselves are going to rebuild their country, with help from all that want to pitch in. Ideally, no one needs to be the peacekeepers because the idea of Russia attacking again would be far-fetched, but otherwise that has to be secured as part of an eventual ceasefire.

Any way you look at it, not ending that war is going to cost taxpayers a lot more than ending it would. No brainer. Be it a trillion or "only" 100's of billions, its too much.

 

[OldFashion]

How much russian oligarch dick can fit in Trumps asshole at the same time?

 

[Seano]

And what makes you think that?

Hysterical overreactions to Trump negotiating with Putin.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

And what makes you think that?

No negotiations to end the war up to this point. No attempt at trying.

 

[Snubnoze707]

The US mostly send old weapons you needed to get rid of anyway and in turn creates more jobs. This type of stupid misinformation happens when people do "their own research" by browsing X and repeating what their favorite political pundit spews

You are literally spreading "misinformation" making the claim that we mostly just sent old weapons. That is completely false.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Except no peace agreement that demands them to cede further, or is worth trusting has been proposed

i expect this to be a versailles affair. drawn out over potentially years.
first americans and russians talk, then americans and euros, then russians and euros, then maybe ukraine gets invited, maybe ceasefire for the period of these elections trump wants, then if zelenski loses the new government signs the treaty somewhere alongside trump and putin, trump comes out as the great peacemaker blabla.

 

[OldFashion]

You are literally spreading "misinformation" making the claim that we mostly just sent old weapons. That is completely false.

How America’s Aid to Ukraine Actually Works

Only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Have fun in your misinformation bubble. Go listen to some more Tim Pool & Co nitwit

 

[Limbo Pete]

I'm pretty sure people not dying anymore is a concession. Ukraine was never going to be in NATO. That is the consensus of every Russian president since the end of the cold war. They'd never allow it. It would be nuclear armaggeddon and the end of the world as we know it now. Also, Zelensky was literally a regional TV actor of no great wealth and is now a billionaire. He was installed to do a job and he did it amazingly. I'm pretty sure Ukraine is better off with out him at this point.

If Ukraine was never going to be in NATO -which it wasn't- and that is the consensus of every Russian President since the end of the cold war, then that kiiiiind of turns the whole "NATO expansion" excuse we've seen over and over (for example) into a big wet fart, doesn't it?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

except europe already did spend way more money on Ukraine than the US. The US mostly send old weapons you needed to get rid of anyway and in turn creates more jobs. This type of stupid misinformation happens when people do "their own research" by browsing X and repeating what their favorite political pundit spews

How much has Europe spent vs. the US?

I am aware US sent no significant weapons. They did send a lot of cash though.

 

[panamaican]

Putin invaded another country, obviously wrong.

Ukraine got billions of dollars in free money, they haven't won yet. The cash has to get cut off at some point.

Not sure what to think now. My first reaction is that this is a bad move. Cutting off Ukraine is good, but this needs to be settled, not abandon Europe.

But maybe the goal is to just kick Europe into gear so America doesn't have to hold their hands. It might be working in that regard. This was supposed to be Europe's war, why is America the major player?

A worried NATO holds large-scale combat drills as the US stance on Europe shifts under Trump

NATO members are continuing their largest combat exercises of 2025 amid concern within the 32-nation alliance over its most powerful member, the United States.

apnews.com

Or Trump's goal has always been to abandon Europe under the false premise that we can continue to be the dominant nation without allies in Western Europe.

But when we abandon Europe here, we can be sure that they won't support us against China if necessary. They will carve out their own positions. And that great big ocean that protects us from invasion also makes us very distant from what's happening over there. So, if Europe feels compelled to carve out pro-China deals instead of pro-America deals, the long term implications will permanently shift the power balance. Together we stand, divided we fall wasn't only applicable to the American Revolution.

It's going to take Chinese military bases in South America before some people start thinking seriously about the strategic implications of telling Western Europe that our support is conditional and/or for sale.

 

[OldFashion]

How much has Europe spent vs. the US?

I am aware US sent no significant weapons. They did send a lot of cash though.

No they didn't Most of the US aid has been in form of old weaponry and only a very small percentage has been cash transfers.

How America’s Aid to Ukraine Actually Works

Only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Here's a tracker of Ukraine aid comparing Europe and US:

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.

www.ifw-kiel.de

 

[syct23]

No negotiations to end the war up to this point. No attempt at trying.

Well to be fair,

It hasn’t been a secret that the powers that be have stated for the last year that everyone was going to wait until the U.S. had concluded their presidential elections.

And that the administration that kept or took the presidential office would steer the negotiation preceding..

So, not shocked that negotiations have begun under trump. Had Kamala won, negotiations would have started with her as well.

 

[Snubnoze707]

How America’s Aid to Ukraine Actually Works

Only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Have fun in your misinformation bubble. Go listen to some more Tim Pool & Co nitwit

I don't listen to Tim Pool...

Over 30% of the money sent from the US isn't even for the Military:

How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?

Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.

www.cfr.org

 

[Rational Poster]

i don't know where he's getting his information.
a lot sounds like he's toilet posting.
millions of dead??

It's just all wrong info, the amount we've contributed, the amount the EU has contributed, the number of dead, it's just disinformation fan fiction.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Russia invaded Ukraine

Or Trump's goal has always been to abandon Europe under the false premise that we can continue to be the dominant nation without allies in Western Europe.

But when we abandon Europe here, we can be sure that they won't support us against China if necessary. They will carve out their own positions. And that great big ocean that protects us from invasion also makes us very distant from what's happening over there. So, if Europe feels compelled to carve out pro-China deals instead of pro-America deals, the long term implications will permanently shift the power balance. Together we stand, divided we fall wasn't only applicable to the American Revolution.

It's going to take Chinese military bases in South America before some people start thinking seriously about the strategic implications of telling Western Europe that our support is conditional and/or for sale.

I agree strongly. Europe must remain an ally.

I am also against throwing billions at the problem and also think the war needs to end.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

No they didn't Most of the US aid has been in form of old weaponry and only a very small percentage has been cash transfers.

How America’s Aid to Ukraine Actually Works

Only a small percentage of the overall aid package takes the form of cash transfers to Kyiv; the vast majority goes right back into the U.S. economy.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Here's a tracker of Ukraine aid comparing Europe and US:

Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine

The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.

www.ifw-kiel.de

The Ukraine tracker shows that the US gave a lot of money, they are in dark blue as one of the leading nations. Probably the largest giver. You are right though, Probably less than all of Europe.

 

[panamaican]

Russia invaded Ukraine

I agree strongly. Europe must remain an ally.

I am also against throwing billions at the problem and also think the war needs to end.

We all think the war needs to end but how it ends is the most important part of this.

Ending it by rewarding the invading power with the territory it intended to steal is pretty much how many significantly larger conflicts began. Because no invading nation has ever stopped after successfully obtaining land. And eventually, their encroachment reaches a point where larger military responses become necessary.

It's a pattern repeated so often in history that it would insane to think that Russia, in this circumstance, is going to take the road less travelled.

 

[brothir]

No negotiations to end the war up to this point. No attempt at trying.

There have been many rounds of negotiations. All of them have failed, sure, but there have been attempts. Putin keeps demanding way too much.