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Elections Trump Indicted On 91 Counts

a witness for the bank said the other day they weren't defrauded by trump and were extremely happy to have him as a client (trump was their "whale"). a fraud case with no victim of fraud, lol.
This would make more sense if Deutsche Bank hadn't literally sued Donald Trump for failing to pay back his $640 million loan, if Deutsche Bank's commercial division hadn't cut him off from doing business with them, and Deutsche Bank as a whole finally cut him off completely in 2021.

It's true that the wealth management division of Deutsche Bank was suspiciously eager to do business with Trump - even loaning him money so he could pay bank the commercial division of Deutsche Bank! - but it will be really hard to get to the bottom of why now, since most of the people most closely involved killed themselves.
chud prosecutor: "ya but you can't lie n' stuff on a form. orange man still bad!"
 
More counts than I can count.....

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guilty of fraud where no victim of fraud exists. lol lol! like being guilty of murder where no one died.

TDS judge and clown show trial. fuck tishy james and the rest of 'em.
lol cope harder. The judge has been conferring with others higher up on the food chain all the way through to ensure he won't be reversed on appeal since it's a bench trial. But keep spreading wide for Donny. It's hilarious. :P
 
Gag order back in effect in NY fraud case...... I suspect I'll wake up tomorrow to learn that tiny-D will have said a bunch of stupid shit overnight on his anti-social site.

Hopefully it'll be straight to remand pending the outcome of the trial after that, but we'll see.
 
guilty of fraud where no victim of fraud exists. lol lol! like being guilty of murder where no one died.

TDS judge and clown show trial. fuck tishy james and the rest of 'em.
A few things....the existence of a perceived victim is NOT required for this fraud charge. Just acting fraudulently , which he so obviously did, satisfies the elements of the first count. That would only have to be true if it were Duetsche bank suing Trump.
The Duetsche bank employee that just testified was employed to land whales, she was in the sales dept. so to speak, and she was happy to "land" tiny-D. That employee said nothing regarding the charges, and did NOT say that Trump either did, or did not defraud the bank contrary to your assertion.

It is a completely different group of employees that do the actuarial work and create, approve/deny and sets the terms of said agreements. The agreement that Trump org had in their loan required a set value of liquid assets, as well as a set value of overall net worth as a condition of getting the loan approved, as well as determining the rate of interest to be returned.
Donny lied about his liquidity, as well as his net worth, so, YES,he very much did defraud the bank.
If Deutsche bank wanted to go after him in court they could, but that is not what he is on trial for atm. They are also not likely to do so at least until 2024, since lil' Donnie has a loan for 125 Million from them that comes do at the end of 2023.

I expect that if they don't get their money, Donnie is going to catch another civil case.
 
This would make more sense if Deutsche Bank hadn't literally sued Donald Trump for failing to pay back his $640 million loan, if Deutsche Bank's commercial division hadn't cut him off from doing business with them, and Deutsche Bank as a whole finally cut him off completely in 2021.

It's true that the wealth management division of Deutsche Bank was suspiciously eager to do business with Trump - even loaning him money so he could pay bank the commercial division of Deutsche Bank! - but it will be really hard to get to the bottom of why now, since most of the people most closely involved killed themselves.
The key is that the Wealth Management section and the Commercial loans dept. work independently, and have different goals. Wealth Management takes your money and invests it for you (or advises you on how to best manage it) purporting to create a return on that investment, whereas commercial loans gives the borrower the bank's (or other investor's) money and charges the borrower interest..... I mean, I'm sure you know that, but they work independently and so their what's good on the one hand can be a tar baby on the other.

So, sure Wealth Management will be happy to take Don's money, and they'd probably still do it, no worries.

The commercial loans dept knows he's a shitty risk, and that he has a history of defaulting on loans, and with the bacon bits of fraud sprinkled in, they are not likely to ever want to do business with the Orange Offender again.
 
the fraudy rapist wasn't done taking L's in the courtroom today. after the appeals court just laughed him out of their courtroom and ruled that yes, orange cosby can indeed be sued for his actions on january 6th, judge chutkan just handed down a good bitch slapping to the mandarin molester.


Judge rejects orange rapists motion to dismiss 2020 federal election interference case

Washington — A federal judge in Washington, D.C., on Friday rejected an attempt by disgraced former President Donald Trump to dismiss the special counsel's 2020 election interference case against him on the grounds of presidential immunity.

Judge Tanya Chutkan ruled that the orange rapist cannot be shielded from criminal prosecution after leaving office for alleged conduct during his time in office. The disgraced former president who has once fled the country to go golfing in order to avoid testifying at his rape trial had argued that special counsel Jack Smith's four charges should be dropped on the basis that presidents cannot be charged with a crime.

"Whatever immunities a sitting President may enjoy, the United States has only one Chief Executive at a time, and that position does not confer a lifelong 'get-out-of-jail-free' pass," Chutkan wrote late Friday in a lengthy opinion, spurning the touchy tangerines arguments on historical, constitutional and legal grounds.

The twice-impeached, quadruple-indicted, election-losing fraudster and rapist is charged with four federal counts in this case, including conspiracy to defraud the U.S., stemming from his alleged effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Last month, the disgraced former president's attorneys filed a motion asking Chutkan to toss the case, contending that the touchy tangerine has presidential immunity from prosecution for actions performed within the "outer perimeter" of his official responsibility.

Private Citizen Donald Trump's crackpot attorneys, who are likely to get stiffed by Diaper Don on their legal fees, stipulated the disgraced former president "emphatically denies the truth of any allegations in the indictment" and argued the conduct for which he was charged — largely that he allegedly worked to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and conspired to defraud the U.S. with six unnamed co-conspirators — was performed not just as a candidate for the presidency, but also as the sitting president. That distinction, they said, shields him from prosecution.

Like Zesto Molesto's attorneys, Chutkan also referred to American history, but countered that the Founding Fathers, including George Washington — who she noted first established the transfer of power — valued the principle of peaceful succession, "a tradition that stood unbroken until January 6, 2021," she wrote.

"Cheeto Benito may be subject to federal investigation, indictment, prosecution, conviction, and punishment for any criminal acts undertaken while in office,' Chutkan wrote Friday.

The judge argued the Constitution does not completely immunize presidents from criminal prosecution tied to their office to avoid creating "the unaccountable, almost omnipotent rulers of other nations" that existed at the time of the nation's founding.

"A disgraced former President's exposure to federal criminal liability is essential to fulfilling our constitutional promise of equal justice under the law," the judge said.

Despite the mandarin molester no longer holding public office, Combover Caligula's legal team argued that the unique and sensitive nature of the job requires that the president not be distracted by threats of legal action, a component of the legal theory that shields sitting presidents, not former presidents, from criminal charges. Such immunity, the defense team contended, encompasses all of the conduct that is alleged in the special counsel's indictment.

But the judge's opinion rejected that argument, instead contending that the threat of potential prosecution after leaving office might force a sitting president to grapple with certain situations "before deciding to act with criminal intent."

"That is a benefit, not a defect," she wrote

A campaign spokesperson for the election-losing fraudster and rapist said in a statement responding to Friday's ruling that the disgraced former president "will keep fighting for America and Americans, including by challenging these wrongful decisions in higher courts," indicating an appeal of Chutkan's decision is likely, and they are not yet tired of all of this losing and embarassment.

"Radical Democrats, under the direction of Crooked Joe Biden, continue to try and destroy bedrock constitutional principles and set dangerous precedents that would cripple future presidential administrations and our country as a whole, in their desperate effort to interfere in the 2024 Presidential Election," the snowflake spokesperson projected, with their perpetual victimhood mask out in full display.

Molestini Cheetolini's defense team also asked Chutkan to dismiss the case on the basis that the disgraced former president's conduct was First Amendment-protected speech, that he was denied due process, and that his impeachment in the House and acquittal in the Senate prevented further judicial proceedings under the principle of double jeopardy. The judge denied those requests, too.

"Defendant is not being prosecuted for publicly contesting the results of the election; he is being prosecuted for knowingly making false statements in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy and for obstruction of election certification proceedings," she wrote Friday.

For his part, the special counsel opposed the disgraced former president's attempts to get the case dismissed as meritless.

"Any speech that the defendant used to carry out the conspiracy, fraud, and obstruction crimes charged in the indictment is categorically excluded from the protections of the First Amendment," prosecutors wrote last month.

Friday's ruling came just hours after an appeals court in Washington, D.C. ruled Orange Cosby is not currently entitled to broad immunity from civil lawsuits that seek to hold him accountable for actions surrounding the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol.

The unanimous opinion from the three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit allows lawsuits against the twice-impeached, quadruple-indicted, election-losing fraudster and rapist to move forward.

"The sole issue before us is whether the rapist-in-chief has demonstrated an entitlement to official-act immunity for his actions leading up to and on January 6 as alleged in the complaints," Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan wrote. "We answer no, at least at this stage of the proceedings."


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the fraudy rapist wasn't done taking L's in the courtroom today. after the appeals court just laughed him out of their courtroom and ruled that yes, orange cosby can indeed be sued for his actions on january 6th, judge chutkan just handed down a good bitch slapping to the mandarin molester.


Judge rejects orange rapists motion to dismiss 2020 federal election interference case

Washington — A federal judge in Washington, D.C., on Friday rejected an attempt by disgraced former President Donald Trump to dismiss the special counsel's 2020 election interference case against him on the grounds of presidential immunity.

Judge Tanya Chutkan ruled that the orange rapist cannot be shielded from criminal prosecution after leaving office for alleged conduct during his time in office. The disgraced former president who has once fled the country to go golfing in order to avoid testifying at his rape trial had argued that special counsel Jack Smith's four charges should be dropped on the basis that presidents cannot be charged with a crime.

"Whatever immunities a sitting President may enjoy, the United States has only one Chief Executive at a time, and that position does not confer a lifelong 'get-out-of-jail-free' pass," Chutkan wrote late Friday in a lengthy opinion, spurning the touchy tangerines arguments on historical, constitutional and legal grounds.

The twice-impeached, quadruple-indicted, election-losing fraudster and rapist is charged with four federal counts in this case, including conspiracy to defraud the U.S., stemming from his alleged effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Last month, the disgraced former president's attorneys filed a motion asking Chutkan to toss the case, contending that the touchy tangerine has presidential immunity from prosecution for actions performed within the "outer perimeter" of his official responsibility.

Private Citizen Donald Trump's crackpot attorneys, who are likely to get stiffed by Diaper Don on their legal fees, stipulated the disgraced former president "emphatically denies the truth of any allegations in the indictment" and argued the conduct for which he was charged — largely that he allegedly worked to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and conspired to defraud the U.S. with six unnamed co-conspirators — was performed not just as a candidate for the presidency, but also as the sitting president. That distinction, they said, shields him from prosecution.

Like Zesto Molesto's attorneys, Chutkan also referred to American history, but countered that the Founding Fathers, including George Washington — who she noted first established the transfer of power — valued the principle of peaceful succession, "a tradition that stood unbroken until January 6, 2021," she wrote.

"Cheeto Benito may be subject to federal investigation, indictment, prosecution, conviction, and punishment for any criminal acts undertaken while in office,' Chutkan wrote Friday.

The judge argued the Constitution does not completely immunize presidents from criminal prosecution tied to their office to avoid creating "the unaccountable, almost omnipotent rulers of other nations" that existed at the time of the nation's founding.

"A disgraced former President's exposure to federal criminal liability is essential to fulfilling our constitutional promise of equal justice under the law," the judge said.

Despite the mandarin molester no longer holding public office, Combover Caligula's legal team argued that the unique and sensitive nature of the job requires that the president not be distracted by threats of legal action, a component of the legal theory that shields sitting presidents, not former presidents, from criminal charges. Such immunity, the defense team contended, encompasses all of the conduct that is alleged in the special counsel's indictment.

But the judge's opinion rejected that argument, instead contending that the threat of potential prosecution after leaving office might force a sitting president to grapple with certain situations "before deciding to act with criminal intent."

"That is a benefit, not a defect," she wrote

A campaign spokesperson for the election-losing fraudster and rapist said in a statement responding to Friday's ruling that the disgraced former president "will keep fighting for America and Americans, including by challenging these wrongful decisions in higher courts," indicating an appeal of Chutkan's decision is likely, and they are not yet tired of all of this losing and embarassment.

"Radical Democrats, under the direction of Crooked Joe Biden, continue to try and destroy bedrock constitutional principles and set dangerous precedents that would cripple future presidential administrations and our country as a whole, in their desperate effort to interfere in the 2024 Presidential Election," the snowflake spokesperson projected, with their perpetual victimhood mask out in full display.

Molestini Cheetolini's defense team also asked Chutkan to dismiss the case on the basis that the disgraced former president's conduct was First Amendment-protected speech, that he was denied due process, and that his impeachment in the House and acquittal in the Senate prevented further judicial proceedings under the principle of double jeopardy. The judge denied those requests, too.

"Defendant is not being prosecuted for publicly contesting the results of the election; he is being prosecuted for knowingly making false statements in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy and for obstruction of election certification proceedings," she wrote Friday.

For his part, the special counsel opposed the disgraced former president's attempts to get the case dismissed as meritless.

"Any speech that the defendant used to carry out the conspiracy, fraud, and obstruction crimes charged in the indictment is categorically excluded from the protections of the First Amendment," prosecutors wrote last month.

Friday's ruling came just hours after an appeals court in Washington, D.C. ruled Orange Cosby is not currently entitled to broad immunity from civil lawsuits that seek to hold him accountable for actions surrounding the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol.

The unanimous opinion from the three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit allows lawsuits against the twice-impeached, quadruple-indicted, election-losing fraudster and rapist to move forward.

"The sole issue before us is whether the rapist-in-chief has demonstrated an entitlement to official-act immunity for his actions leading up to and on January 6 as alleged in the complaints," Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan wrote. "We answer no, at least at this stage of the proceedings."


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I think "denies the truth" is an interesting turn of phrase lol
 
This one is just for his new york case. More than likely it seems to be going in the direction of them not being able to do business in new york.
His old rich and white, hes not going to jail. Mara-alargo house arrest maybe, some how even less congical visits with Melania

NY is Civil anyway, not criminal. But bankrupting him is also good.
 


It's like he thinks that the law is just for other people and not him.


Its more likely that he wants conflict with the Courts, because they feel it solidifies his base. I'm sure he does think that wealthy people should be able to do whatever they want, most right wingers think like that as a default, but I dont think he honestly thinks he wont get in trouble with the law. He and his people are likely just trying to mimic the Hitler approach to power, which involves getting very temporarily jailed and claiming its political.
 

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