Crime Trump Bible only Bible to meet Oklahoma criteria to be used in schools

[Natural Order]

Your letting idealism cloud your perspective here. When we say, "do unto others AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU" its still self-centered, because your want is the focal point of the tenet. What he is saying is he'd rather it be people treating people how they want to be treated. This is the most basic principal of teaching kids to stand up for themselves. DT is a combat sports Coach, same as me. When you first teach someone self-respect and confidence, whenever you have a bullied kid as a student, the first thing you establish to them is that they dobt have to just accept abuse. They don't have to answer to being called out their names.

Ali Sadiq uses prison stories to establish this point:

Your want is not the central tenet of “do unto others”. Youre dead wrong here. Ill elaborate when home from work.

 

[Natural Order]

Perfect description of our politics over the years. With or without Trump.

Huh? Nobody would care how Trump acted or lived if he wasn't running for POTUS. Even as a Christian, I don't want a theocracy. So why would I expect my politicians to live like I do the ministers on staff at the local church I attend?

I think all of the evangelicals who continually prop Trump up like some disciple are idiots.

Why does adhering to the principles of Jesus require a theocracy?

 

[Sinister]

Your want is not the central tenet of “do unto others”. Youre dead wrong here. Ill elaborate when home from work.

Convenient of you to leave out the half of that statement that IS the expression of one's want.

 

[Natural Order]

Convenient of you to leave out the half of that statement that IS the expression of one's want.

Asking others to treat you a specific way (how this is accomplished do tell) and inherently knowing how to treat all humans by default are two entirely different things. You analogy is terrible.

 

[Natural Order]

Sinister: Hey, nice to meet you! Before we get started can we sit down and go over how we both expect to be treated, you know, so we’re all on the same page?

Gas station attendant: Sir your gas comes to $48.00, what are you talking about?

 

[Sinister]

Asking others to treat you a specific way (how this is accomplished do tell) and inherently knowing how to treat all humans by default are two entirely different things. You analogy is terrible.

The golden rule is not "my analogy." The half you left out, and keep purposely ignoring to make your point is "as you would have others do unto you." Do I have to spell out what "as you would have" means? It means you give the same respect you want for yourself.

Right now the MAGAtards are doing this with Kamala Harris's name. Because this can all begin with names. Its also why he often says Obama's FULL name, to remind people of the "Hussein" part. Nancy Mace was on CNN and actively refused to pronounce her name right, she specifically said "I'll say it however I WANT." Its a method of immediately removing control from someone as to how they're treated. And its disrespect. If someone cannot pronounce your name the way you told them, they'll never respect you.

 

[Sinister]

Sinister: Hey, nice to meet you! Before we get started can we sit down and go over how we both expect to be treated, you know, so we’re all on the same page?

Gas station attendant: Sir your gas comes to $48.00, what are you talking about?

Come on man, dont be this comically, purposely obtuse.

 

[Natural Order]

Come on man, dont be this comically, purposely obtuse.

Where does it begin and end? Whatever side of the bed you roll out of….

 

[Natural Order]

The golden rule is not "my analogy." The half you left out, and keep purposely ignoring to make your point is "as you would have others do unto you." Do I have to spell out what "as you would have" means? It means you give the same respect you want for yourself.

Right now the MAGAtards are doing this with Kamala Harris's name. Because this can all begin with names. Its also why he often says Obama's FULL name, to remind people of the "Hussein" part. Nancy Mace was on CNN and actively refused to pronounce her name right, she specifically said "I'll say it however I WANT." Its a method of immediately removing control from someone as to how they're treated. And its disrespect. If someone cannot pronounce your name the way you told them, they'll never respect you.

You drinking? I didnt say the golden rule was your analogy.

Your analogy was saying the golden rule is fundamentally the same thing as individually telling every person how you expect to be treated. It’s not. Not even close. In principle or practical application.

 

[Sinister]

You drinking? I didnt say the golden rule was your analogy.

Your analogy was saying the golden rule is fundamentally the same thing as individually telling every person how you expect to be treated. It’s not. Not even close. In principle or practical application.

I didnt say that at all. You keep suggesting that's what we're talking about because apparently you cant envision any way people might establish to someone how they want to be treated other than that. Which is weird.

Where does it begin and end? Whatever side of the bed you roll out of….

It can begin with common courtesies, and if someone doesn't abide by them, tactfully discussing why as it may be a difference of culture. It can end with just deciding not to interact with people who insist on treating you sh*tty because they think they're entitled to. Is this really that hard?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

The bid documents show that Bibles must be the King James version, contain both the Old and New Testaments, be bound in leather or leather-like material, and include copies of the Pledge of Allegiance, Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Mardel Christian & Education carries 2,900 Bibles, but a salesperson who searched their inventory found none that fit the parameters outlined by state schools superintendent Ryan Walters, but country singer Lee Greenwood's God Bless the U.S.A. Bible, which Trump endorsed in exchange for a cut of the sales, fits the criteria perfectly.

I'm sure the Catholics are happy about the King James version being taught.
Many teachers have to pay for supplies out of their own pocket, but these assholes are forcing the taxpayer to buy leather bound books.

Weird coincidence that the Bible criteria list only fits the Trump Bible.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Uh, how about the fact that almost no religious scholars can quantify the existence of slavery in the Bible, the encouragement of it, I mean there are other things but let's just focus on that. The thing where, according to people who perpetuate the notion that Christianity or "Christian Nations" are better than others because they abolished slavery, having seen the errors of their ways, are just applauding the ignoring of something openly condoned in the text they consider the foundation of morality. This is called moral relativism. The idea that you can ignore it when you want to. And this has been argued by people like Shapiro and Prager by then contending that God couldnt just...end slavery, because there would be too much societal blowback from it. Lol God...same God who eradicated well, everyone, when it was mad.

None of this addresses my epistemological question.

 

[Sinister]

None of this addresses my epistemological question.

Nice swerve.

You: "What makes the Bible an out-dated source for moral foundation?"

Me: "How about that it condones and encourages slavery?"

You: "That doesnt answer my question."

 

[DoctorTaco]

You want everybody to stop, figure out how each individual expects to be treated, and act accordingly? Did you want anything to get done, anywhere?

This mentality is why the public education system is focused around teachers individually catering to needs, rather than the group adhering to the teacher. And of course this has resulted in the decline in results everywhere you look now.

It’s utterly moronic, completely selfish and the most inefficient way to approach anything.

You’re undoubtedly a pronoun clown, yes?

Calm down bud. It’s not hard; you just listen and do what people say within reason. How is that different than treating them how you want to be treated?

And you realize you used 11 pronouns in that diatribe, yeah?

 

[Spam On Rye]

The Golden Rule?

It is unironically a much better rubric for morality than Christianity.

What? I'm asking how you justify your claim.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Your analogy was saying the golden rule is fundamentally the same thing as individually telling every person how you expect to be treated. It’s not. Not even close. In principle or practical application.

It’s called communication, and it’s not hard or intrusive. You start with basic kindness and manners and then make adjustments when asked.

again, just because I want people to twist my nips and call me grandma doesn’t mean that they want the same, yeah?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Weird coincidence that the Bible criteria list only fits the Trump Bible.

Funny enough, if someone decided to meet the parameters and get the bible printed and sell it to the school board at cost, I can guarantee the school board will still go with the trump bible.

 

[WhiteMousse]

The King James version is a terrible translation. I know all of us raised Christian grew up reading it, but it's time to move on.

One of the earliest and finest historical examples of how acceptance and accuracy are not the same at all

 

[WhiteMousse]

Not to mention, they were freaking out about kids being exposed to sex through books a few months ago. It was all the rage. Parents were getting arrested at school board meetings. The crocodile tears on here were amazing.

Meanwhile, The Bible literally has passages about dudes blowing their loads like donkeys.

I sometimes joke with my friends about whenever someone is dealing with issues. We eye each other and ask "ordinary issues or Ezekiel 23 issues?"

 

[spamking]

Why does adhering to the principles of Jesus require a theocracy?

Adhering to the principles of Jesus doesn't. But that is the implication being given by many when they seem to be expecting Trump to need to be an upstanding Christian in order for other Christians to vote for him. All while critics are calling them fake Christians because they're voting for Trump. They seem to want separation of church and state except when they want to chastise the other side.

Jesus isn't on the ballot and in my opinion, shouldn't come into play with our politics. I'm fed up with politicians and voters alike playing that game.