Law Trump appointed judge blocks OT pay for millions of workers

ramsiN said:
so you're asking me to read all the replies to see the tone of how the thread is going? lol

what i said isn't out of touch with the subject. OT for salary was never a thing, it never became a thing, but i still see people bitch about it on the internet even if not here that it was some sort of thing. my comment wasn't really directed towards you as much as it is us as a nation. im replying to the sensitivity of people expecting free hand outs. but next time ill read multiple pages of replies to please you, sure.
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First off, you exclaim that asking you to read the replies is egregious and yet you point out "b*tching on the internet" as a catalyst for your reply. Seems a bit odd of a notion.

Secondly the only reason salary workers dont get "overtime" is because it's considered an exemption from FLSA, due to the notion that they dont get paid a per hour wage, but rather upon completion of tasks. However the fact is this has been used by employers to skirt overtime pay when it comes to jobs where there isnt a such thing as a completed task, like the job I mentioned I worked earlier. The work was perpetual, and I definitely did NOT make a wage that reflected a significant percentage of the actual completed tasks, nor had any rights to my own creative works that anyone ever saw on TV.

Its not difficult for any of these corporations with their hefty HR departments to track hours, and considering what CEO pay is at currently there is more than enough room for fair compensation for hours that exceed what we consider full time.
 
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Sinister said:
First off, you exclaim that asking you to read the replies is egregious and yet you point out "b*tching on the internet" as a catalyst for your reply. Seems a bit odd of a notion.

Secondly the only reason salary workers dont get "overtime" is because it's considered an exemption from FLSA, due to the notion that they dont get paid a per hour wage, but rather upon completion of tasks. However the fact is this has been used by employers to skirt overtime pay when it comes to jobs where there isnt a such thing as a completed task, like the job I mentioned I worked earlier. The work was perpetual, and I definitely did NOT make a wage that reflected a significant percentage of the actual completed tasks, nor had any rights to my own creative works that anyone ever saw on TV.

Its not difficult for any of these corporations with their hefty HR departments to track hours, and considering what CEO pay is at currently there is more than enough room for fair compensation for hours that exceed what we consider full time.
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ok, so then it is bitching about about something that never was. first, my "bitching" as you said is about why do you expect something that never was? you want to argue fair pay as in more pay thats a different story. I would consider people crying over something that never was to be real bitching. as i wasn't bitching about the people as much as scratching my head as to why get your panties in a bunch about something that never was.

second, you did sign a contract did you not? you knew the terms. thats how salary positions work, you sign contracts, and negotiate them when they're up. what you want is better pay. paying OT to salary never was a thing, and all of a sudden joe biden waves his pen and people think they're entitled to it? sorry but i find that egregious.

and then you bring up CEO pay. do i agree its too much? yes, but guess what? they signed a contract. they dont get OT, if they were 2 hours a week or 100 hours a week their pay is their pay. we, including I, find it a bit retarded how much they get but thats their contract, and as we know in america the law is whats in the contract.

maybe im just looking at it from a completely different angle than most of you, im sure my angle is retarded to most of you who share your opinion. but its always been this way, so we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
 
Boy, you can tell who owns a company in this thread.
How dare workers ask to get paid for the work they did. They should be thankful they’re getting paid at all.
 
jefferz said:
Boy, you can tell who owns a company in this thread.
How dare workers ask to get paid for the work they did. They should be thankful they’re getting paid at all.
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Or just dont work Bro. I mean seriously no one is forcing anyone to according to the capitalists.
 
deviake said:
What do you think
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I'm just curious why it's even mentioned. If it had been any other person who'd appointment the judge (at any given time) , no one would even bother mentioning that part.
It just sounds like the usual desperate attempts by trump haters to show how bitter they are about him being back in the white house. 😂
 
Sinister said:
First off, you exclaim that asking you to read the replies is egregious and yet you point out "b*tching on the internet" as a catalyst for your reply. Seems a bit odd of a notion.

Secondly the only reason salary workers dont get "overtime" is because it's considered an exemption from FLSA, due to the notion that they dont get paid a per hour wage, but rather upon completion of tasks. However the fact is this has been used by employers to skirt overtime pay when it comes to jobs where there isnt a such thing as a completed task, like the job I mentioned I worked earlier. The work was perpetual, and I definitely did NOT make a wage that reflected a significant percentage of the actual completed tasks, nor had any rights to my own creative works that anyone ever saw on TV.

Its not difficult for any of these corporations with their hefty HR departments to track hours, and considering what CEO pay is at currently there is more than enough room for fair compensation for hours that exceed what we consider full time.
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By the way, completely aside from the discussion at hand, with your background in advertising I think you'd really like this show--if you're at all into half-hour radio shows/podcasts, that is,
 
Andy Capp said:
By the way, completely aside from the discussion at hand, with your background in advertising I think you'd really like this show--if you're at all into half-hour radio shows/podcasts, that is,
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That will likely trigger my PTSD. I was at a pretty large firm and let me tell you, the guys who got the most attention from the Execs were the least creative, most unreasonably neurotic dude-Bros I've ever met, paired with some female worker who quickly realized that applying her feminine wows was the only way to get their attention for longer than 15 seconds. My boss and his little right-hand man came up with the most dimwitted jingles, and they'd sing them ALL day. There's a reason flicks about dissatisfied Family men can reliably use marketing firms or Ad firms as based for why a guy is willing to tank his own life than work another minute in that environment:



I worked for a department chair whose dream was to make partner. Wife left him, kids dont know him, dude was at work every waking our of the day. His name was Zev and everyone at the office called him "Count Zevula" because he always kept the office at like 50 degrees and would be there until like 2am. One of the underlings told me he'd NEVER make partner. "Why would they make him partner? Hes already sacrificed everything for the position he's in. Hes more useful to the partners there."
 
Sinister said:
That will likely trigger my PTSD. I was at a pretty large firm and let me tell you, the guys who got the most attention from the Execs were the least creative, most unreasonably neurotic dude-Bros I've ever met, paired with some female worker who quickly realized that applying her feminine wows was the only way to get their attention for longer than 15 seconds. My boss and his little right-hand man came up with the most dimwitted jingles, and they'd sing them ALL day. There's a reason flicks about dissatisfied Family men can reliably use marketing firms or Ad firms as based for why a guy is willing to tank his own life than work another minute in that environment:



I worked for a department chair whose dream was to make partner. Wife left him, kids dont know him, dude was at work every waking our of the day. His name was Zev and everyone at the office called him "Count Zevula" because he always kept the office at like 50 degrees and would be there until like 2am. One of the underlings told me he'd NEVER make partner. "Why would they make him partner? Hes already sacrificed everything for the position he's in. Hes more useful to the partners there."
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Ah well, that's too bad. Perhaps if you are too close to it the fun stories don't seem so fun. But this guy has encyclopedic knowledge of the industry but now does podcasts so... Just saying, you might find a kindred spirit. Or not; it was just a thought.
 
The states should just make their own laws regarding salaried OT pay.
 
Didm't Papaya Pussygrabber go on a rampage about hating paying overtime and that it should be outlawed? Maybe before he shut down his casino and refused to pay his staff anything at all?
 
ramsiN said:
so you're asking me to read all the replies to see the tone of how the thread is going? lol

what i said isn't out of touch with the subject. OT for salary was never a thing, it never became a thing, but i still see people bitch about it on the internet even if not here that it was some sort of thing. my comment wasn't really directed towards you as much as it is us as a nation. im replying to the sensitivity of people expecting free hand outs. but next time ill read multiple pages of replies to please you, sure.
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How is expecting to get paid for work that you do expecting a free handout?
 
Hellowhosthat said:
How is expecting to get paid for work that you do expecting a free handout?
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Expecting OT when you're salary and signed a salary contract is the hand out part. There never has been OT for salary employers.

As i stated up top its always been if you work 1hr a weeks, 40hrs a week, 100hrs a week your pay in a salary position stays the same.

It would seem many people still haven't learned shit about basic economics in this thread. Especially considering what we have lived through in the past 2 years. Prices on everything went up because pay went up across the nation. See californias $20 minimum wage for fast food workers and the new prices of $18.99 bigmac value meals for proof of that.

Now think about it in the effect of a company having to pay out extra because of OT on salary positions. You might make out a bit more until the end of your contract, but once that contract is up rest assured that company would renegotiate your contract and hit you with a offer that would be insulting to you. Then people would line up to bitch again. If you think companies would renegotiate your expired contract with higher pay and OT you're not being realistic.

Companies stay in business and profiting by paying you whats in their best interest not by whats in your best interest. Its a simple case of cause and effect and those who are salary trust me when i tell you in the end you would not come out on top. Welcome to capitalism.
 
ramsiN said:
Expecting OT when you're salary and signed a salary contract is the hand out part. There never has been OT for salary employers.

As i stated up top its always been if you work 1hr a weeks, 40hrs a week, 100hrs a week your pay in a salary position stays the same.

It would seem many people still haven't learned shit about basic economics in this thread. Especially considering what we have lived through in the past 2 years. Prices on everything went up because pay went up across the nation. See californias $20 minimum wage for fast food workers and the new prices of $18.99 bigmac value meals for proof of that.

Now think about it in the effect of a company having to pay out extra because of OT on salary positions. You might make out a bit more until the end of your contract, but once that contract is up rest assured that company would renegotiate your contract and hit you with a offer that would be insulting to you. Then people would line up to bitch again. If you think companies would renegotiate your expired contract with higher pay and OT you're not being realistic.

Companies stay in business and profiting by paying you whats in their best interest not by whats in your best interest. Its a simple case of cause and effect and those who are salary trust me when i tell you in the end you would not come out on top. Welcome to capitalism.
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I'm English and get salary and get paid overtime if I do extra hours so it doesn't really impact me but I don't think this makes sense.

Do you think a company should be able to contract someone to 40 hours a week and then say "actually we need you to work 70 hours a week"? That seems nonsensical from a non American perspective.
 
ramsiN said:
Expecting OT when you're salary and signed a salary contract is the hand out part. There never has been OT for salary employers.

As i stated up top its always been if you work 1hr a weeks, 40hrs a week, 100hrs a week your pay in a salary position stays the same.

It would seem many people still haven't learned shit about basic economics in this thread. Especially considering what we have lived through in the past 2 years. Prices on everything went up because pay went up across the nation. See californias $20 minimum wage for fast food workers and the new prices of $18.99 bigmac value meals for proof of that.

Now think about it in the effect of a company having to pay out extra because of OT on salary positions. You might make out a bit more until the end of your contract, but once that contract is up rest assured that company would renegotiate your contract and hit you with a offer that would be insulting to you. Then people would line up to bitch again. If you think companies would renegotiate your expired contract with higher pay and OT you're not being realistic.

Companies stay in business and profiting by paying you whats in their best interest not by whats in your best interest. Its a simple case of cause and effect and those who are salary trust me when i tell you in the end you would not come out on top. Welcome to capitalism.
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This entire post is comically distant from anything resembling reality. My bud gets OT if he works over 40 hours a week. He's not allowed to without approval. He makes much more than what the new cap was supposed to be.

It's also like you didn't read the article nor watch the short video that explain what this thread is about yet you keep posting.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
I'm English and get salary and get paid overtime if I do extra hours so it doesn't really impact me but I don't think this makes sense.

Do you think a company should be able to contract someone to 40 hours a week and then say "actually we need you to work 70 hours a week"? That seems nonsensical from a non American perspective.
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Thats how its always been tho. Salary workers know what they're getting into and there are those insane weeks/months you work hours that are insane and not reflective of you're pay. But the reality of companies restructing their entire pay structure because of this would have been almost assured and it would be less beneficial.
 
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