Triangle attacks.

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  1. Triangulation

    Triangulation Whitebelt

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    When I am in the position of a triangle but cant actually finish the choke, what other attacks could I go for? I.e shoulder locks armbars?

    Also could you link some videos.

    Thanks
     
  2. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    why arent you being able to finish to begin with?
     
  3. Triangulation

    Triangulation Whitebelt

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    Some people are brilliant at defending the actual choke, so im wondering if theres anything i can catch them out with
     
  4. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    im trying to help you here, you mean you cant finish the choke once its locked or you cant lock it up. If the triangle is locked (I guess you are a whitebelt) is probably you not doing it right and not the guy defending it doing something brillant.

    To your question, armlocks, kimuras (depending on how hes defending)...
     
  5. thegreenblender

    thegreenblender Brown Belt

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    Omoplata is easiest, I think. Usually you can't get the triangle because the guy won't let you get that arm across, so you use his own resistance and push it outside for the omoplata....then when he realizes what your'e doing and goes back the other way, you go with him and stuff the arm further for a deeper triangle. Rinse, wash, repeat.

    You can try the armlock, too and it is extremely effective, but one thing you risk I feel is when you are trying to straighten out the arm you occupy both hands and you get a little more separation between the two of you when try to stretch it out--I like to stay crunched in on the guy so I can easily pull his head down and control his posture.
     
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    Gambledub Brown Belt

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    Omoplata
     
  7. Allan san

    Allan san Green Belt

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    I support the omoplata route, however, I would say it is rather low percentage as a submission but awesome for sweeping and transitions. Each time your triangle begins to fail, pay attention to what is happening.

    - If they posture up really hard, push off the mats and take the sweep into a mounted triangle

    - If they stack you, hook the leg and sweep them over for a mounted triangle...lol

    - If they hide their arm under your butt, feed your arm into the space between the opening of the elbow and your butt and take the armbar using your head and shoulder to trap the wrist and your two hands to apply the pressure to the joint OR take the kimura for a sweep or sub

    - If they don't fit in your legs, learn to 'hide the shoulder' while cutting your angle

    - If they try to pull out, switch to the traditional armbar

    *Most importantly, learn what YOU are doing WRONG to begin with. Study Ryan Hall's triangle series and you will have a better conceptual idea of your shortcomings.
     
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  8. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    Unless it's absolutely impossible to lock my legs, i am not trading a triangle for an omoplata... If the problem is the arm behind the butt, go to reverse triangle get perpendicular atqck the kimura
     
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  9. Triangulation

    Triangulation Whitebelt

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    do u have a video of what you mean?
     
  10. FatherSauce

    FatherSauce Blue Belt

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    No mention of the fist/hand in neck triangle finish. Is it not considered good?
     
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  11. thegreenblender

    thegreenblender Brown Belt

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    It works great! But it's not going to win you any friends, if you care about such things...
     
  12. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    its on the caio terra close guard vid, I think its on youtube, I use to go a lot for the bolt choke/reverse triangle when someone wrapped his hand around my butt, untill I ran against people who wouldnt just tap, then I started to attack the kimura but it wasnt successful because of the angle I was getting, caio terre opened my eyes with that move.
     
  13. HtomSirveaux

    HtomSirveaux Blue Belt

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    When I am defending triangles, I hide my arm behind the butt and pray they transition to omoplata. I have much more success defending and escaping the omoplata various ways compared to triangles. Worse comes to worse I roll and give up the 2, which is a lot better than getting choked. in my experience omoplata finishes are pretty rare
     
  14. thegreenblender

    thegreenblender Brown Belt

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    Sure. If I don't feel a threat of escape, I'm not bailing to an Omoplata. It's a safe option...when you can't get the triangle, and you just know the guy is looking for his moment to pop out, head him off at the pass and omoplata. You probably won't finish, but if you are doing it right you should end up in a better position, or at worst neutral--I'm talking gi though, I understand the slippery arm defense really limits the control in no gi.
     
  15. mattemate

    mattemate Brown Belt

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    You can try a straight arm lock on their free arm without risking losing any position. The one where you trap their wrist between your shoulder and ear and crank down with your hands. I also like to underhook the leg and sweep to mounted triangle. Then you can finish the triangle from the top or go belly down arm bar. It is a pretty safe armbar since the legs over their face is curled up so tightly. As far as omo platas go, the shoulder lock is low percentage but if you're playing with wrist locks they're pretty damn easy to get. Make sure you stop the roll.

    I agree with a fist throat also especially if they're hiding the arm behind your butt. I feel that this is a highly underutilized move. It's tough to defend and a pretty quick tap usually
     
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    Big_Chief_Stove Silver Belt

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    I rarely try to finish my triangles, but instead constantly look for the position because the armbar is there as well as the Omoplata and subsequent "Pencil sweep".

     
  17. JustTheTip

    JustTheTip Green Belt

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    This.Work finishing the triangle against the various defenses rather than leaving the position for another. The threatened Triangle position is much more superior to the beginning Omoplata position. Kenneth Brown has the best info for Triangles. For me at least.
     
  18. berimBOWLoh

    berimBOWLoh Silver Belt

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    if they hide their arm its either a fist choke if its that type of guy i roll with or aggressively bridging my hips up and down while digging for the underhook to pry that arm out. Im not switching to omaplata unless forced to because i think he is escaping.
     
  19. Young Turkey

    Young Turkey Green Belt

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    Are you getting it locked all the way and can't finish?

    I almost never trade for an omoplata, it's just so low percentage (esp nogi)

    Armbar and keylock is usually available to you from your back. I prefer getting the side angle though, since you can underhook and sweep into mounted triangle
     
  20. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    is that because your legs are too short or too thick?

    IF thats the case, I guess is all right, if thats not the case, you should start working on finishing them, ryan hall is reallly going to help you do it.
     

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