Social Transgender vs Trans Race the insane hypocrisy

[I Am Legion]

Both need help imo.

 

[Loiosh]

If wrong is wrong, why do you single out the majority for your complaints? Shouldn't your complaints be about wrong actions regardless of whether or not it was committed by the majority?

What am I not talking about?

 

[grimballer]

Why the fuck would I see a person that looks white as black because they have a black ancestor? lol that's stupid as fuck.

So if a person is 75% or 87.5% white, but 25 or 12.5% black, I should see them as black despite them looking white.

Sounds like you've been brainwashed by the KKK one drop rule.

what world you live in?

most people of mixed backgrounds are expected to identify as black if they have a black parent/grandparent.

megan markle is considered a "black" woman.

thsts why i said race is a social construct. a non black looking person can identify as black if they have black ancestors and people will go along with it.

look at elizabeth warren. she was claiming to be native american and people just accepted it.

 

[grimballer]

i "missed the point" because you made a different point. that wasn't the point you were making. you said because she could pass as a woman of color it was proof race was a social construct. now you're saying it's NOT a social construct, but a biological one.

now you're completely lost...

lets try again,

youre the one comparing apples and oranges by comparing race and sex.

sex is biological reality. its binary which means you're either a man or a woman

race is not and can be interpreted differently by different people.

like i said a nordic looking white person can claim to be black if he has some "black" or african ancestry.

that's different from biological male claiming to be a woman.

 

[HereticBD]

what world you live in?

most people of mixed backgrounds are expected to identify as black if they have a black parent/grandparent.

megan markle is considered a "black" woman.

thsts why i said race is a social construct. a non black looking person can identify as black if they have black ancestors and people will go along with it.

look at elizabeth warren. she was claiming to be native american and people just accepted it.

He is right about the whole one drop rule being a cornerstone of white supremacy. What's wild is that the so-called progressives of the world have adopted the one drop rule, but as a point of pride and celebration. It's like they don't even realize that it was brought about to keep whites pure, and keep anyone with even a smidgen of race mixing in their ancestry out of the club.

 

[Sinister]

Largely, as a whole, minorities do accept people who are "trans race" so long as they're at least honest about where they came from. Even when I went to school in the 90's these kinds of people existed except everyone who was confused by it referred to them as something derogatory (which I'm sure transgender people can relate to) like "wh*ggers." In HS I had a friend who EVERYONE thought was half black, only dated black girls, hung out with black people in general, dressed and talked in a "hip hop/R&B" kind of vernacular. Then I met his Dad, white dude...and his Dad told us his Mom was Korean, hence an ethnic look to him. He never told anyone at school this, but he didnt deny it or argue. The problem with some people who are running a scam with their identity is how they behave...do they own up to their background, their journey? Or do they gaslight and deny, then blame everyone else for their downfall? Are they pursuing social power and recognition as something without being real about their journey? Or are they just living their best life? But these are relevant questions about the genuineness of anyone.

There are plenty of people LARP'ing as "white" Republicans. There are plenty of people LARP'ing as religious conservatives until you examine their own behavior. Hell at one point "white" in America didnt even include Italians, Irish, and other "undesirable" European Countries. It's tough to imagine if being "black" just voluntarily changed that way over time with the socio-political clout to make it viable. But at the end of the day a certain genuineness is what matters to minorities. There was a very informative movie about this:



In the end everyone just let young B-Rad be who he be.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Why are you guys so fixated on .02 (or thereabouts) of the population?


Find a new hobby

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Are you sorry that the GI bill was denied to a million black WWII veterans?

I wonder what they were fighting for.

Anything to avoid the topic at hand, huh.

 

[grimballer]

He is right about the whole one drop rule being a cornerstone of white supremacy. What's wild is that the so-called progressives of the world have adopted the one drop rule, but as a point of pride and celebration. It's like they don't even realize that it was brought about to keep whites pure, and keep anyone with even a smidgen of race mixing in their ancestry out of the club.

yeah, it's weird seeing people who claim to be against white supremacy actually promote those views.

good example is when dominicans are being told they should identify as "black" just cause they have some african ancestry

 

[Sinister]

now you're completely lost...

lets try again,

youre the one comparing apples and oranges by comparing race and sex.

sex is biological reality. its binary which means you're either a man or a woman

race is not and can be interpreted differently by different people.

like i said a nordic looking white person can claim to be black if he has some "black" or african ancestry.

that's different from biological male claiming to be a woman.

Sex is NOT binary. Intersexed people do exist, and are forced into a social gender binary without any input of their own most often when they're born. You're both ignoring the existence of them to make your point, and conflating sex and gender.

 

[Err]

Sex is NOT binary. Intersexed people do exist, and are forced into a social gender binary without any input of their own most often when they're born. You're both ignoring the existence of them to make your point, and conflating sex and gender.

Sex is a binary, the existence of anomalies doesn’t make it not one. Most of these anomalies also manifest themselves within the binary. For example, Caster Semenya, who has XY chromosomes.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Sex is NOT binary. Intersexed people do exist, and are forced into a social gender binary without any input of their own most often when they're born. You're both ignoring the existence of them to make your point, and conflating sex and gender.

as usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

intersex conditions aren't genders. they are genetic and developmental abnormalities. it is plain to understand a simple word as abnormality - deviation from a repeatable, autonomous pattern - in this case the pattern being the male-female binary.

Somehow people seem to act like the word abnormality has somehow lost its' value because feelings. it has not. there are a multitude of developmental abnormalities - genetic male with full testosterone production yet lacking the androgen receptors to metabolize, that is "masculinize" the tissues properly. there's pituitary gland developmental abnormalities that hamper the body's natural puberty launch and hormonal development which lead to numerous conditions. and so on, and on, and on. there is no mystery about the whole thing, each of these conditions is carefully catalogued and observed scientifically, and assigned within a scientific category, in this case the category of a binary male or female development that has gone wrong.

if a person is born with a third eye, or hand, or leg, due to a well-documented developmental abnormality, we don't go around saying a new species of human, the three armed men, has appeared.

stick to boxing.

 

[IamStryker]

Largely, as a whole, minorities do accept people who are "trans race" so long as they're at least honest about where they came from. Even when I went to school in the 90's these kinds of people existed except everyone who was confused by it referred to them as something derogatory (which I'm sure transgender people can relate to) like "wh*ggers." In HS I had a friend who EVERYONE thought was half black, only dated black girls, hung out with black people in general, dressed and talked in a "hip hop/R&B" kind of vernacular. Then I met his Dad, white dude...and his Dad told us his Mom was Korean, hence an ethnic look to him. He never told anyone at school this, but he didnt deny it or argue. The problem with some people who are running a scam with their identity is how they behave...do they own up to their background, their journey? Or do they gaslight and deny, then blame everyone else for their downfall? Are they pursuing social power and recognition as something without being real about their journey? Or are they just living their best life? But these are relevant questions about the genuineness of anyone.

There are plenty of people LARP'ing as "white" Republicans. There are plenty of people LARP'ing as religious conservatives until you examine their own behavior. Hell at one point "white" in America didnt even include Italians, Irish, and other "undesirable" European Countries. It's tough to imagine if being "black" just voluntarily changed that way over time with the socio-political clout to make it viable. But at the end of the day a certain genuineness is what matters to minorities. There was a very informative movie about this:



In the end everyone just let young B-Rad be who he be.

I think the point here is that the left right now are completely unwilling to let B-rad identify as black. Which is really weird given transgenderism.

 

[Sinister]

Sex is a binary, the existence of anomalies doesn’t make it not one. Most of these anomalies also manifest themselves within the binary. For example, Caster Semenya, who has XY chromosomes.

Intersexed people are nearly 2% of the world's population. Millions of people. You can try to make it sound like its maybe 20 people and shouldnt be considered a thing, but that's statistically significant.

 

[IamStryker]

Sex is NOT binary. Intersexed people do exist, and are forced into a social gender binary without any input of their own most often when they're born. You're both ignoring the existence of them to make your point, and conflating sex and gender.

Intersex existing does not change the sex binary in any way shape or form. They are not a third sex. They will still be on one side of the binary or the other. They just have genetic abnormalities that make some of their sex characteristics more ambiguous.

 

[Sinister]

I think the point here is that the left right now are completely unwilling to let B-rad identify as black. Which is really weird given transgenderism.

Again its gonna depend on how B-Rad handles himself. Is he denying he's white altogether or was even born white? And is he running a scam? I'd say the same for trans and even gay people. Or gay people who pretend to be straight because it gets them social and political clout, lots of those out there.

B-Rad was tested and verified, that's just who he is lol

 

[Sinister]

Intersex existing does not change the sex binary in any way shape or form. They are not a third sex. They will still be on one side of the binary or the other. They just have genetic abnormalities that make some of their sex characteristics more ambiguous.

Listen to you:

"People who dont biologically fit into the binary MUST fit into the binary."

Your position is ideological. Medically, biologically, they are something else and you know that. What's that saying about facts and feelings?

 

[Err]

Intersexed people are nearly 2% of the world's population. Millions of people. You can try to make it sound like its maybe 20 people and shouldnt be considered a thing, but that's statistically significant.

I never said they are statistically insignificant, i said they are anomalous, which they are, and that many of their conditions manifest within the sex binary, which they do.

 

[Sinister]

as usual, you don't know what you are talking about.

intersex conditions aren't genders. they are genetic and developmental abnormalities. it is plain to understand a simple word as abnormality - deviation from a repeatable, autonomous pattern - in this case the pattern being the male-female binary.

Somehow people seem to act like the word abnormality has somehow lost its' value because feelings. it has not. there are a multitude of developmental abnormalities - genetic male with full testosterone production yet lacking the androgen receptors to metabolize, that is "masculinize" the tissues properly. there's pituitary gland developmental abnormalities that hamper the body's natural puberty launch and hormonal development which lead to numerous conditions. and so on, and on, and on. there is no mystery about the whole thing, each of these conditions is carefully catalogued and observed scientifically, and assigned within a scientific category, in this case the category of a binary male or female development that has gone wrong.

if a person is born with a third eye, or hand, or leg, due to a well-documented developmental abnormality, we don't go around saying a new species of human, the three armed men, has appeared.

stick to boxing.

No one said intersex conditions are genders, in fact my argument was that its NOT a gender, their gender is decided for them. And no, abnormality as not lost its value, you just seem to think you can use its value to undermine the existence of something that is in direct contradiction to an ideology you subscribe to.

Normality - people are born with 2 legs. Does this mean ALL people are born with 2 legs? Nope, some are born with 1, some are born with 0. They're anomalies, yes, but they also directly contradict the statement "humans are born both 2 legs."

Some are not, period. They exist, and that's all there is to it. Not all humans are born with 10 fingers. MGT has like 6 toes. It doesnt make them a different species, it makes them people with different features and different sets of functions. That's what intersex people are.

 

[kflo]

now you're completely lost...

lets try again,

youre the one comparing apples and oranges by comparing race and sex.

sex is biological reality. its binary which means you're either a man or a woman

race is not and can be interpreted differently by different people.

like i said a nordic looking white person can claim to be black if he has some "black" or african ancestry.

that's different from biological male claiming to be a woman.

again, you're claiming the nordic person can "claim" to be black based on their biological reality. not because they can "pass" as black under a social construct.

and yes, sex is a biological reality. but gender is not a synonym for sex. but i know that triggers people too..........