"Transgender tween enters dating world"

PalharesIsHulk said:
True it's harder to tell a lot of them apart now because of advances in science and medicine. I never would've known that Miss Canada was a dude if I didn't read it on the net.
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And there are plenty in Thailand who look better than her, and better than a lot of girls in real life.
 
catchwrestle1 said:
The real issue here is the age. How many of you had passing phase when you were 11? I wanted to be an incredible drummer and got a drumset, played for a couple years, then moved on.

Let this kid identify however, dress however, ect. But giving the kid hormones that will affect him for the rest of his life before his body has even naturally developed is fucked up, period.

It's about understanding the mind of an 11 year old. What happens when the kid turns 15 and 16 and starts wanting to attract girls and have sex with them? What if he just wants to try being a regular guy?

Now he won't ever have the chance because his parents jumped the gun with this life-altering treatment. Instead of leaving the kid with options, they are taking them away. And that's bad parenting.
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I have to agree with this. The whole messing with the body thing, is a bit worrysome, especially at that age. The thing that I find odd about the way we as a society deal with transgendered kids nowadays, is the whole hormone feeding frenzy. Yes, I understand that starting the treatment as early as possible, will make the eventual transition a lot easier, so there's that. But it messes up kids' bodies as well!
Sure, but after careful consideration, the parents agreed with the treatment. So? A kid can't get tattooed before the age of 18 (without parental consent; 16 with, at least in Holland), they can't drink before the age of 18, drive before the age of 17, vote before the age of 18, regardless of wether or not the parents think it's a good idea, and wether or not the child is completely convinced it should do these things. And why is that? Because we, as a society, have decided that a child's brain is not capable of making the kind of big decisions needed in order to come to a rational, and well-informed decision.
But in this field, all of sudden all bets are off, and let's pump them full of all sorts of hormones, not natural to their bodies, with NO medical need whatsoever. There may be a psychological, or even physical, yearning (sic?), but that IMHO does not justify the risks these parents are taking with the physical well-being of their child.

Do transgenders actually "exist"? Yes, I believe so. Are children competent to ascertain that about themselves before a certain age? Possibly, maybe. Does that justify these types of medical procedures? No. Like Catch said, let him wear a dress (at home), play with dolls, do ballet, and what not. Why the heck not, as long as it does him no harm. And that last part is the whole crux of this. Does it harm a young boy, starting school, to start wearing dresses to class? Yeah, I kinda think it does. They are too young to make those kinds of decisions, and yes, forcing a child a certain way, is damn near criminal; does that mean that every failed pro-footballer who forces his kid to young a football team at a young age, and indoctrinate him with the idea that football is the end all be all in life, is a child abuser?

Answer that one for yourselves. It's a damn tricky one, but so is every decision a parent makes about their child's life.
 
I think most transgenders know they want to live their life as a different gender at a pretty young age. Many live a life of misery until their 20/30's or later before transitioning and wish they'd started sooner.

Then again it would be interesting to see how many children are emphatically for making a transition, then genuinely change their minds by adulthood. Just a shitty situation to be in really.
 
umm.. yes...ahh.. what :eek: agh...


dont know what to say here, good luck to this thing
 
catchwrestle1 said:
The real issue here is the age. How many of you had passing phase when you were 11? I wanted to be an incredible drummer and got a drumset, played for a couple years, then moved on.
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But this isn't a passing phase though. This child has been this way since she was a toddler. From the very beginning of when she could display her personality it was always as a girl. It's not like all of the sudden at age 10 someone who always acted like a boy suddenly decided he wanted to be a girl. That would be a different matter. It's extremely unlikely after living all of her life so far feeling like a girl, she would suddenly change who she is as a person.
 
11 seems a little young to be entering the dating world but perhaps I'm just old-fashioned.
 
PalharesIsHulk said:
"She" still has a penis, he's a dude fuck off with that shit.
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odog said:
But this isn't a passing phase though. This child has been this way since she was a toddler. From the very beginning of when she could display her personality it was always as a girl. It's not like all of the sudden at age 10 someone who always acted like a boy suddenly decided he wanted to be a girl. That would be a different matter. It's extremely unlikely after living all of her life so far feeling like a girl, she would suddenly change who she is as a person.
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I respect identity, it's just this logic suggests the child will remain a child after having spent ten years as one. Tampering with hormones literally halts the developmental process. Putting someone's life on a public platform while they are still finding out who they are in such a unique situation isn't what I would consider most beneficial.

It's a tough decision, I realize, especially if this is what Jazz wants. If Jazz wanted to be bulimic? If Jazz wanted five Playstation 3s? I have to think if they are willing to engage in this lifestyle, which will be difficult in the BEST of scenarios, they can still do so after nature has taken effect. No tampering. Not at eleven. If that means Jazz needs to shave her face more often, then so be it. I'm not saying it's a phase, and I am not saying there is anything wrong with being transgendered. To me this is a matter of premature timing. Why stop at hormones, doesn't Jazz deserve a car right now? Let's make her an honorary doctor! Right now! Why wait? We control everything!

Besides if one can accept oneself as transgendered, testosterone is not going to prevent that, but if it does then maybe it wasn't meant to be. No one likes puberty, and everyone must adapt. News coverage ain't the best way, tho. However, if Jazz is truly ready for all this, then what the hell do I know?

Other than the fact it's perfectly reasonable to say my eleven year old is not ready for dating rather than arm immature people with grist for vicious gossip. Yes I refer to Barbara Walters.
 
2O9ESE said:
I saw a story about this kid a couple of years ago. Really going to blossom into a high 9. If I went this route as a kid my parents would have said no way and I would have grown into an ugly transvestite with scruff and a adams apple with big hands and feet. I am going to agree with her parents. They are doing it right, you could easily ruin its life with or without hormones. Why not just roll with it?
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you bring up a good point.

ultimately, it's about making your child happy. yes, there are degrees to it. but if professionals are also on board, then it seems that it would be the right way to go.
 
voxom said:
the hormone blockers going into puberty seems like horrible parenting. instead of her growing up to a be a very feminine gay guy she ism going to be looked at as a freak her whole life, and likely will get ridiculed much worse on probably beaten up for being a "surprise boy"

kind of seems like the parents(probably mostly the mom) just REALLY wanted another girl.
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haha, i have to say that this could be very possible as well.

i'd really like to know for sure now.
 
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I'm 100% for doing whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't negatively impact others. You wanna cut your dick off and say you're a chick? Go for it! You live a gay lifestyle? Sure why not! My ONLY issue with this is I fear for the single men out there (thinking as if it were myself) who one day when this stuff is way more common and accepted are out there fucking other dudes thinking they are girls, then finding out they pounded out a post-op guy.
 
Gomi1977 said:
does that mean that every failed pro-footballer who forces his kid to young a football team at a young age, and indoctrinate him with the idea that football is the end all be all in life, is a child abuser?
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Sports are healthy.

Permenently druggin a 10 year old isnt.


Your not going to meet anyone that is going to tell you that moderate exercise is damaging to a young child.
 
hiyah said:
If I'm a father my daughter isn't dating until she's 18. Transgender or not.
Ain't no tellin what kind of freaky shit someone could do to this little thing.
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Dude, grow up. I dont understand this backwards way of thinking. How about instead of controing and restricting her social life, you raise your daughter to be a responsible and mature human being that thinks before she acts?
 
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