Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

[RoastBeast]

the majority of people are against biological males competing against females in most cases. certainly at high levels. even if their hormones and testosterone levels are in line with limits. but because hormone levels can be modified - and trans women's levels will look more like a female than a male if they've transitioned, doesn't mean they are now biologically female.

Why do you guys keep calling them biological males and biological females? There is no such thing as a non biological male or female. They're just males and females. The biology is a given because we all know what a male and a female is.

 

[Hog-train]

I'm guessing the primary reason for this ban is deployment readiness. When you are deployed, you aren’t able to be on most, if not all medications for multiple reasons. Largely because they can’t get them to the deployed location, but also for health reasons.

If you are undeployable, for any reason, such as trans surgery and medical reasons, for 18 months, it’s unfair to be in the military, where your job is the be deployable at all times. You can get written up for getting a sunburn for damaging government property, so intentionally having cosmetic surgery to he undeployable for 18 months is unacceptable. And it is an elective surgery, so 100% cosmetic.

I'm wondering if trans soldiers have to meet the physical fitness standards for males or females.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I wouldn't be against removing them from the workplace in general, to be honest.

The ones I've encountered take way more sick days/leave than the rest of the workforce and are a walking timebomb in terms of complaining to HR and spoiling the atmosphere in the workplace.

 

[Andy Capp]

Dude, i work in education, i have plenty of contact with trans people at work. I know how easily rattled they are.
If you think a trans CO would have the troops respect, you have a very childlike and idyllic opinion of the world. And you should STFU about things you don't know.
If a person as stupid as you can have his opinions known, i'm exposing mine's, thanks.

lol

You work in education?

And who is suggesting an enlisted person would rise to the position of CO? Talk about childlike thinking.

 

[Rational Poster]

I wouldn't be against removing them from the workplace in general, to be honest.

The ones I've encountered take way more sick days/leave than the rest of the workforce and are a walking timebomb in terms of complaining to HR and spoiling the atmosphere in the workplace.

So they can't serve in the military or have jobs? Do they just go on disability for their entire life because you think they're icky?

 

[Cajun]

I wouldn't be against removing them from the workplace in general, to be honest.

The ones I've encountered take way more sick days/leave than the rest of the workforce and are a walking timebomb in terms of complaining to HR and spoiling the atmosphere in the workplace.

Come on bruh...

 

[SRN]

Impressive what Trump's phenomenal victory did to the "resistance".
if he tried this in 2017, there'd be armies of blue haired goblins marching on DC, and CNN would hold insurgency seminars.
now, the mainstream media is limp and irrelevant, the CEOs are closing down all the dei and tranny horseshit programs, the social media giants are kicking out the "fact-checkers", bending the knee.

the only place this tranny dismissal has the tiniest bit of energy is in the debate-bro spheres, like this forum, cause irl nobody gives a shit. and even here it's only rhetoric, which is the alpinism of the clappers-back.

never thought i'd see the "resistance" so limp and demoralized.

Good! Hopefully, transgender issues won’t be the centerpiece of every cultural or political debate anymore. The way both sides have either pandered to or weaponized trans people has been exhausting. They deserve to live their lives in peace, without being propped up as political pawns or forced under the microscope of public discourse every five minutes. Let people exist without turning their identities into a battlefield for ideological points. Maybe in the future, with less hysteria and performative outrage, we'll be able to actually address important issues regarding their rights and lives in a more rational, mature way.

 

[nhbbear]

2025s version of don’t ask don’t tell? I am against trans men in women’s sports but there is no reason a trans person couldn’t serve in the military and while I think there are some mental health issues with some of them, others it’s a brain chemistry issue imo. What’s next, declaring those who are depressed and take meds to be declared unfit? There goes half the military

 

[Fox by the Sea]

What’s next, declaring those who are depressed and take meds to be declared unfit?

They kinda are unfit, and if i'm not mistaken, you can't enlist if you're on depression drugs.
so...

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

They kinda are unfit, and if i'm not mistaken, you can't enlist if you're on depression drugs.
so...

If you're diagnosed while you're in you can still serve. Same with adhd.

If you start pulling everyone with mental health conditions then you wouldn't have a military left

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I wouldn't be against removing them from the workplace in general, to be honest.

Huh? That makes no sense. What would you do with them if they can't work?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

If you're diagnosed while you're in you can still serve. Same with adhd.

If you start pulling everyone with mental health conditions then you wouldn't have a military left

Sounds like the military doesn't need people whose initial baseline, before even coming into the military, is mental illness. imagine putting some depression or ptsd on an already mentally ill person.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Sounds like the military doesn't need people whose initial baseline, before even coming into the military, is mental illness. imagine putting some depression or ptsd on an already mentally ill person.

The military has been doing that since it was formed. Most people just didn't get diagnosed until they were getting out. Up until fairly recently, openly seeking mental health care was still somewhat taboo and many would exhaust all resources before getting diagnosed.

The military runs on undiagnosed ADHD, depression, and anxiety. And they are aware of this. It's why they're starting to lax standards on coming in with manageable mental health conditions. These people can all work effectively if given the proper resources. I see it in practice at my unit every day

 

[Xanzito]

lol

You work in education?

And who is suggesting an enlisted person would rise to the position of CO? Talk about childlike thinking.

Oh so you're in favor of trans in the military but with boundaries on what position they can attain?
tell me more about that enlightened ptogressive position.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The military has been doing that since it was formed. Most people just didn't get diagnosed until they were getting out. Up until fairly recently, openly seeking mental health care was still somewhat taboo and many would exhaust all resources before getting diagnosed.

The military runs on undiagnosed ADHD, depression, and anxiety. And they are aware of this. It's why they're starting to lax standards on coming in with manageable mental health conditions. These people can all work effectively if given the proper resources. I see it in practice at my unit every day

yeah yeah, undiagnosed.

we're talking here about DIAGNOSED mental illness.

 

[Source]

Huh? That makes no sense. What would you do with them if they can't work?

The guy has a long history of abhorrent posts about trans people.

Here are a couple

“Chuck them all into the sea.” And “Into the sea please all of them”. There was another post where he basically said if he said what he really thought he would get banned. I would post the actual quotes but the thread got dumped to protect the posters from themselves and his posts were deleted but there are a couple of posts which quoted him that still remain.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

yeah yeah, undiagnosed.

we're talking here about DIAGNOSED mental illness.

Again, more often than not, it doesn't effect their ability to do their job. Which is why they have been moving towards laying the restrictions on certain conditions. Blanket bans and acceptance lead to shit results. There are many capable individuals with the desire to join that could not because of the oppressive standards that went into effect when I came in.

If you can do the job and maintain standards, you should be allowed to serve. Full stop.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

The guy has a long history of abhorrent posts about trans people.

Here are a couple

“Chuck them all into the sea.” And “Into the sea please all of them”. There was another post where he basically said if he said what he really thought he would get banned. I would post the actual quotes but the thread got dumped to protect the posters from themselves and his posts were deleted but there are a couple of posts which quoted him that still remain.

Man, shit like this makes me really hate humanity.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

If you can do the job and maintain standards, you should be allowed to serve. Full stop.

What guarantee is there you can maintain standards if your starting point is you're mentally ill? the expectation of maintaining standards has to start from a baseline of stability.
that's like the baseline for for any job verification - is this person mentally ill? if yes, we don't hire.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

What guarantee is there you can maintain standards if your starting point is you're mentally ill?
that's like the baseline for for any job verification - is this person mentally ill? if yes, we don't hire.

You still have to pass health and psych evals to join. Not everyone with a mental condition is low functioning. Many, if not most, can function unmedicated without issue. The mountain of service members who had successful careers while diagnosed are prime examples. I've worked with many people who have depression, anxiety, adhd, etc and they were great at their jobs.

There are levels of severity that are being ignored here. You can very easily do most jobs in the service with minor mental health conditions