Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

[Scerpi]

The military is a place for people to find a job that can't find work in the regular job market.

Where the fuck did you come with this bullshit? Once again, you fabricate garbage out of thin air.

lol...

Oh... this is why.

Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume​

Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume

There are some stereotypes about who serves and why, but the research doesn't support them.

www.militarytimes.com

“Liberal Americans are more likely to believe that service members join primarily for economic reasons. Those furthest to the left are more inclined to aver that service members join chiefly to escape desperate circumstances.”

Here's the truth

“We show that recent recruits tend to have higher than average socioeconomic background: they disproportionally come from the middle of the family income, family wealth, and cognitive skill distributions, with both tails under-represented,” they found. “We also show that higher scores in cognitive skill tests increase the probability of joining the military for lower- and middle-class individuals, but decrease the enlistment likelihood of young men and women coming from the right tail of the income distribution” ― meaning that more affluent prospects tended to pick another path.

 

[kflo]

Is thinking gay people have the right to defend their weed farm with Abrahams tanks a right wing opinion or left wing?
Im kinda there.

you're gay, have a weed farm, and abraham tanks but haven't decided to defend your farm with your tanks yet?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

the majority of people are against biological males competing against females in most cases. certainly at high levels. even if their hormones and testosterone levels are in line with limits. but because hormone levels can be modified - and trans women's levels will look more like a female than a male if they've transitioned, doesn't mean they are now biologically female.

Unfortunately the tactics of a few people on here is that if you're not completely anti trans people then you must believe in things like them being able to play women's sports at a competitive level and go into women's restrooms etc.

There's a lot of black and white thinkers on the dog

 

[Fox by the Sea]

No and I don't think anyone who can read would come to the conclusion that I was.

Actually that's how it looked. Like you're saying the loss of trannies in military is some sort of tragedy because of their usefulness. And since this is a topic about ALL trannies, you should try formulating your ideas above the gradeschool level, if you don't want people to ask you about them.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Actually that's how it looked. Like you're saying the loss of trannies in military is some sort of tragedy because of their usefulness. And since this is a topic about ALL trannies, you should try formulating your ideas above the gradeschool level, if you don't want people to ask you about them.

Did you read the post I quoted before you read mine? It would make sense if you did.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Did you read the post I quoted before you read mine? It would make sense if you did.

And did YOU read the post before that one?
Do you even know what you're responding too?
Cause it was about trannies as well. As was your post.

 

[Cajun]

It should always be on a case by case basis with existing troops. Losing useful members of your military because of politics is retarded.

Biden made a blanket change and so did Trump. Every mental or physical health issue even ones discovered after the fact is typically blanketed. It's because it's elective service and selective criteria.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

And did YOU read the post before that one?
Do you even know what you're responding too?

Sure.

Anyway let's take a step back. I've said I'm sure there are some trans members of the military that aren't useful. Do you think they're all useless or could there be some that deserve to keep their positions?

 

[Rational Poster]

Where the fuck did you come with this bullshit? Once again, you fabricate garbage out of thin air.

lol...

Oh... this is why.

Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume​

Studies tackle who joins the military and why, but their findings aren’t what many assume

There are some stereotypes about who serves and why, but the research doesn't support them.

www.militarytimes.com

“Liberal Americans are more likely to believe that service members join primarily for economic reasons. Those furthest to the left are more inclined to aver that service members join chiefly to escape desperate circumstances.”

Here's the truth

“We show that recent recruits tend to have higher than average socioeconomic background: they disproportionally come from the middle of the family income, family wealth, and cognitive skill distributions, with both tails under-represented,” they found. “We also show that higher scores in cognitive skill tests increase the probability of joining the military for lower- and middle-class individuals, but decrease the enlistment likelihood of young men and women coming from the right tail of the income distribution” ― meaning that more affluent prospects tended to pick another path.

I'm missing the part where I said that's the only people that join the military?

I've also in this thread said much more specifically, that the military is a job for any citizen that can pass the recruitment requirements.

 

[Rational Poster]

I'm saying that this happens after the fact as well with other things that come out. And the criteria may shift be it asthma, depression whatever. I'm sure it has evolved over time. It's political and also a real thing which is why Biden made changes in 2020.

Trans have been allowed to serve since 2016, it started under Trump admin.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Biden made a blanket change and so did Trump. Every mental or physical health issue even ones discovered after the fact is typically blanketed. It's because it's elective service and selective criteria.

I'm not disagreeing that's how it's worked in the past it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to get rid of a useful soldier because they fall under a certain group.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Do you think they're all useless or could there be some that deserve to keep their positions?

i honestly don't know.
the ones that are leaning into it have real mental health problems that are disqualifying in my opinion.
the rest that are just "tranny for the penny" so to speak are doing it to game the system cause the system was designed for virtue signaling horseshit like "look, we have our first tranny gunner on the USS George Floyd!Everybody wear tranny ribbons for a month!".

i 100% think if you kick them all out, there would be no negative effects.
could there be SOME that are above the average for their special field? sure.
could they be replaced? i am sure.
is having them worth the added value when compared to the cost? don't think so.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Trans have been allowed to serve since 2016, it started under Trump admin.

Trump became president in 2017.

 

[Intermission]

They are likely mentally unfit.

No issue with gays but trans usually got something broke upstairs.

Does it matter if you are mentally unfit when the object of war is a brain dead excercise? You know who to shoot and who not to.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Does it matter if you are mentally unfit when the object of war is a brain dead excercise? You know who to shoot and who not to.

lmao @ this argument.
scraping the barrel here.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i honestly don't know.
the ones that are leaning into it have real mental health problems that are disqualifying in my opinion.
the rest that are just "tranny for the penny" so to speak are doing it to game the system cause the system was designed for virtue signaling horseshit like "look, we have our first tranny gunner on the USS George Floyd!Everybody wear tranny ribbons for a month!".

i 100% think if you kick them all out, there would be no negative effects.
could there be SOME that are above the average for their special field? sure.
could they be replaced? i am sure.
is having them worth the added value when compared to the cost? don't think so.

But couldn't you just assess them like everyone else. I don't think people who aren't fit to be in the military should be in the military but surely you assess each soldier individually.

 

[Cajun]

Trans have been allowed to serve since 2016, it started under Trump admin.

2016 blanket policy was repealed by Trump in 2017 then reinstated by Biden in 2020. Now repealed again.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

But couldn't you just assess them like everyone else. I don't think people who aren't fit to be in the military should be in the military but surely you assess each soldier individually.

well any initial assessment starts from the reality that being a tranny has its roots in a mental disorder. and if you're starting from that...

what i suspect is a whole bunch will suddenly decide they don't like dresses anymore.
it's the reverse corporal Klinger.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

well any initial assessment starts from the reality that being a tranny has its roots in a mental disorder. and if you're starting from that...

what i suspect is a whole bunch will suddenly decide they don't like dresses anymore.
it's the reverse corporal Klinger.

There are a fuckload of people in the military with mental health problems though. Fuck if they kicked everyone with PTSD out they'd barely have anyone left.

The question should be are they fit to serve or not.

 

[Cajun]

I'm not disagreeing that's how it's worked in the past it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me to get rid of a useful soldier because they fall under a certain group.

It's just that they have the luxury of the selective criteria at present. So many things exclude service for entry or after the fact. Many a useful soldier/potential soldier have been affected on the bases of the mental and physical aspects. But I get your point.