Social Trans people being removed from the military by Trump for being mentally unfit.

Hog-train said:
It does affect their ability to do the job though. Getting gender surgery takes a long time for recovery and that directly affects their deployment readiness. Plus, they require drugs that may not be available when deployed.
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1) not all trans people transition, so blanket banning them is still dumb

2) you can still work non combative jobs while in a non deployable status

3)Requirements for meds varries

4) If we are basing if people should be able to serve based on the potential for long medical recovery periods, should be not enlist women since they can be not just undeployable but completely gone just as long, if not longer?
 
Rational Poster said:
I'm pretty sure you're mentally ill based off this post.
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Sorry I was in a rush what I meant to say, is how do you know someone is mentally ill without signs of debilitation.

You do understand there's been a dramatic increase in "mental illness" and the concept of mass hysteria?

The mind is a very powerful thing.
 
William Huggins said:
Sorry I was in a rush what I meant to say, is how do you know someone is mentally ill without signs of debilitation.

You do understand there's been a dramatic increase in "mental illness" and the concept of mass hysteria?

The mind is a very powerful thing.
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Observation and therapy?

What has changed is our ability to detect, diagnose and classify, and treat mental illness. The human brain and body hasn't gone through any evolutionary changes in hundreds of thousands of years.
 
Rational Poster said:
Observation and therapy?

What has changed is our ability to detect, diagnose and classify, and treat mental illness. The human brain and body hasn't gone through any evolutionary changes in hundreds of thousands of years.
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That doesn't disprove the effects of mass hysteria.
 
fedoriswar37 said:
Wish Canada would follow. I only want 2 types of people in my military. Really smart and athletic people, and absoloute physchopaths. The terrorists they're fighting don't care about pronouns or diversity .
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Do a lot of really smart people want to dedicate and risk their lives following the orders of dumber people that want to send them to war? Do really smart people sign up to work along absolute psychopaths?

A trans person can't be smart or athletic? There is no shortage of D- tier genetic having CIS straight people. lol People that say shit like this have never actually been around people in the military.
This comic book image of them all being chiseled machines isn't true at all.
We've seen some examples already of trans people that came out/transitioned later in life, but were able to serve in the military with no issue. Old "Catelyn" Jenner won Olympic gold, she couldn't of been a decent soldier?
In what scenario would an enemy combatant have a chance to have conversation with any soldier about their pronouns or race?
 
PainIsLIfe said:
How was it never realized that trans people had mental health issues?
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Everybody knows lol
But it's an ideologically locked issue. I'd bet some promotions inside the army happened on how much one was willing to lick the tranny acceptance boot.
Trump is doing the right thing and most people know it.
 
ChosenOne said:
For all the trans people who would never have transitioned you are just pushing a 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' ...'Get back in the closet', policy.

As with gays prior, who were also said to be mentally ill, if they remained closeted they could serve with distinction and valor. Tell a person like you after they retired and you would say 'they should have never served as they are unfit'.

You do not care about qualification as you are entire reason for being is 'identity politics'.

In the Trump era trans people will still serve and they will just remain closeted. It is simply FALSE to push an idea that blanket bans are justified based on keeping unqualified people out.
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Anyone who desires a sex change surgery is categorically mentally ill. No sane person wants to chop their cock off.
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
1) not all trans people transition, so blanket banning them is still dumb
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Then they're not really trans are they. It's just some self ID bullshit.

GreatSaintGuillotine said:
2) you can still work non combative jobs while in a non deployable status

3)Requirements for meds varries

4) If we are basing if people should be able to serve based on the potential for long medical recovery periods, should be not enlist women since they can be not just undeployable but completely gone just as long, if not longer?
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The military doesn't allow people to serve if they have ADHD, OCD, bipolar, mood disorder, panic problems, autism and even depression.

If a person has depression, they have to prove they weren't on anti-depressive meds for at least a year and a half before they can enlist.

So it's perfectly normal for that to extend to gender dysphoria, which most often requires constant hormonal drugs and then if they do get surgery, they have to be given significant downtime for recovery.

On top of that, they claim they get SUICIDAL if they don't get their meds. In a profession with already high suicide rates. On top of that, fitness standards transwomen have to meet is the lower female ones - not male.

Not exactly the ideal candidate for a soldier.
 
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Domitian said:
Anyone who desires a sex change surgery is categorically mentally ill. No sane person wants to chop their cock off.
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That is exactly what was said of gays for decades forcing them to remain closeted while in the military.

A closeted gay, is still gay and yet many served with distinction PROVING that bigotry had no underlying merit.

Is it accurate to say that within groups of straight, gay and trans people you will find varying degrees of mental illness and some groups may suffer it at higher rates? YES.

Is it also accurate to say the degrees of mental illness may not reach an extent where the people cannot do their job, and do it well? YES.

that is why each service member can and should be submitted to yearly wellness checks that test not just their physical fitness but also their mental fitness.

That addresses the issue you are concerned about for ALL groups without simply assuming 'all gays are mentally ill and thus cannot serve' as was done in the past and is just switching to the 'next' group now.
 
Put another way you need to consider characters like Ben Affleck 'The Accountant' and Matt Damon's 'Good Will Hunting' character, both who showed degrees of mental illness that you could see could be a benefit to their job.

That is why you cannot simply create this structure that says 'these people have a degree of mental illness... disqualify them'.. as a blanket policy.

Many soldiers in battle, especially their first fire fights are dealing with PTSD and continue to deal with it long after the battle ends.

Should they all be instantly pulled from the battle field, after they make their first kill, if they are suffering from PTSD? Or do you assess them and only pull the ones who ultimately cannot cope with it and become a detriment?
 
ChosenOne said:
That is exactly what was said of gays for decades forcing them to remain closeted while in the military.

A closeted gay, is still gay and yet many served with distinction PROVING that bigotry had no underlying merit.

Is it accurate to say that within groups of straight, gay and trans people you will find varying degrees of mental illness and some groups may suffer it at higher rates? YES.

Is it also accurate to say the degrees of mental illness may not reach an extent where the people cannot do their job, and do it well? YES.

that is why each service member can and should be submitted to yearly wellness checks that test not just their physical fitness but also their mental fitness.

That addresses the issue you are concerned about for ALL groups without simply assuming 'all gays are mentally ill and thus cannot serve' as was done in the past and is just switching to the 'next' group now.
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I'm not talking about gays. I never said anything about gays. I'm talking about people who decide they want to change their sex by having a transition surgery and deciding to have to take a bunch of drugs to maintain their efforts. That's fucking crazy my guy. No sane person does that or wants that.

I'm not saying I agree with what Trump did with his executive order. I think these people could maybe serve some type of role. But denying they have a form of mental illness is straight up delusional. Are you nuts?
 
Domitian said:
But denying they have a form of mental illness is straight up delusional. Are you nuts?
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Nobody serious believes that in the real world.
it's only online rhetoric and sophistry.

Imagine going to get a job in the army and saying hey i feel like i'm not complete unless i cut my arm off or i poke out one of my eyes. and i'd like the army to pay for it. imagine saying this and actually being allowed in ANY kind of job. But if it's cutting off your cock, oh yeah, sure, come right in! surely you're a sane individual!

of course not. trannies are batshit insane. and the argument "bbbut there's still jobs they can do!" is retarded and would get you laughed out of the room in the real world.
 
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