Touchbutt Conor was truly a special talent

GeneTunney7 said:
Oh, OK. So tell me, who are your top P4P fighters think you believe Aldo is trash? Or wait....let me guess: when Conor beat him, it was “lucky”, right? Sorry, but the first ever champ champ deserves a spot and you can not judge post prime to prime. Not saying flows motivated Conor was the best P4P, but sorry, he was up there.
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For never defending the title either time? For having not won since 2016 except against a guy who lost his last 6?

Paper champ. Never defended either. Doesn't account for much
 
It’s mad that Conor, up until the second Dustin fight, accumulated less than 20 minutes in the cage (vast majority Khabib) since his last 2016 win and 2021.

Over four and a bit years and he still believes he can recapture his past form - madness!


2016 mcgregor kills today’s version
 
And for those saying McGregor stopped working with Ido Portal because of what Nate said….as funny as it is - wrong.

McGregor worked with him during the Mayweather build-up, but I think that is the last time they worked together
 
Mavrilicious said:
For never defending the title either time? For having not won since 2016 except against a guy who lost his last 6?

Paper champ. Never defended either. Doesn't account for much
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You are making up criteria for greatness on the fly, to suit your narrative. It does not work that way, my friend.

We can use the Conor criteria for anyone else:

Who beat the #1 p4p fighter in 14 seconds?
What champion had wins in 3 different weight classes in a single year?
What fighter won two belts at 45 and 55 in 11 months?

And Conor lost his last 6? News to me! It does not matter what hi form is, Vodka soaked state and all, the guy is toast now, what matters is what he did in his prime. Wait, are you the type of guy that says Fedor sucked because he got KO'd at 42? You grade on a curve with nuance. No one's saying this current Conor is touch butt Conor.
 
Alexander_GOATanovski said:
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You seem to have a pretty long history of posting bad takes but this is low even for the standards you set
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Conor is just a striker only If He born again he gets to Glover Grappling level.

Glover>>>>>>>>Conor




Glover smash Conor Head em 1 minute If they had The same size!!

problem with casual idiots is they buy the hype, I really look at fighters like a hardcore fan.
 
conor's specialty was weight cutting and he would have been an all time great if he stayed in featherweight. So much of his "power" just came from beating up smaller, shorter featherweights. He knew how to use his length and the size gave him a real power advantage that people needed to respect the distance. He just couldnt keep up with the discipline to cut down that much as he got older and richer.

Once he was in lightweight people were able to pretty much shrug off his shots, dustin, whom he beat before was just shrugging them off at lightweight. He hit khabib with a few good ones, nothing. It worked against alvarez but honestly that guy has been koed by everyone so thats pretty much meaningless in hindsight.
 
HitWithAFlare said:
And for those saying McGregor stopped working with Ido Portal because of what Nate said….as funny as it is - wrong.

McGregor worked with him during the Mayweather build-up, but I think that is the last time they worked together
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It just took a while for resentment to build. People also teased him for waving his arms like a weirdo which ido also taught him.
 
People adapted to his style and started taking advantages of his weaknesses. Conor never fixed those weaknesses. Conor never had the ability to move laterally, only forests and backward. Dustin took advantage of that. Conor never was comfortable fighting inside either and his leg was always out there to be kicked because of his stance. The game moves quickly and Conor didn't move with it.
 
GeneTunney7 said:
LMAO, so when he first fought Poirier it was "favorable match making", but when he loses it is not? How was Chad Mendes, Aldo, RDA and then Eddie favorable? How was Nate at 170 favorable - why not make him cut to 155 or pick someone else? Conor just went after the belt and biggest prizes, UFC gave him stiff tests to make sure he was the real deal before putting muscle behind him. The reason Chad was picked, not Frankie, was that Lorenzo felt Chad was better, and, he was ranked higher. Conor also beat the two greatest FW's of all time and walks at 168, making him average by modern standards and smaller than guys like Holloway who walk at 180.

The reality is Conor was an incredible fighter, one of the best P4P that we have ever seen in his prime, but he got rich, got addicted to God knows what, got complacent in those silk sheets and the last time we saw Prime Conor was in 2016. You can not take two years off this game, get wasted the whole time and come back to your same form.
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Prime Conor got worked by Nate Diaz in that first fight. There's no way around it. He's not as effective up weight. His power doesn't translate as well and the guy had cardio and durability issues at every weight class he faced adversity in. He was an exciting fighter but he had his best success picking on guys much smaller than him or against people who were past their best days. He hand picked Diaz when he had plenty of options because he thought it would be an easy fight.
 
touchbutt was an overachiever. he knew that, thats why he never try to defend

 
Bruce Lee666 said:
Glover smash Conor Head em 1 minute If they had The same size!!

problem with casual idiots is they buy the hype, I really look at fighters like a hardcore fan.
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Except you don't. You think you do because you post gifs but your unsustainable beliefs suggest that you don't cant analyze the basics of MMA. Like I mentioned before, your comment history suggests that you have very poor comprehension skills and every future post you make will reinforce my claim. ;)

No surprise that the fanboy of an actor who pretends to be a martial artist consistently shows lack of basic knowledge in MMA
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Substance Abuse said:
Prime Conor got worked by Nate Diaz in that first fight. There's no way around it. He's not as effective up weight. His power doesn't translate as well and the guy had cardio and durability issues at every weight class he faced adversity in. He was an exciting fighter but he had his best success picking on guys much smaller than him or against people who were past their best days. He hand picked Diaz when he had plenty of options because he thought it would be an easy fight.
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I don't buy this he 'hand picked him because he thought it would be an easy fight'. If he was just interested in easy, why did he offer Aldo and Frankie the fight first? Rather, I think he picked him for the reasons he said: he thought that Diaz could 'take a knock' , he was a big name and wanted more cage time. There is alot of things that Conor can be called, but 'ducking cherry picker' is not one.

Let us not pretend he also he did not attempt something no other champion has in the history of the UFC: moved up 2 weight classes in 3 months, and could not even hit the weight class (168). People do not do that shit because it is suicidal. Izzy moved up just one weight class and got worked by old man Jan. This just gets glossed over so people can put "Canor" in their nice cookie cutter box.

He sure looked effective to me when he fought Cerrone, no? No one's power translates vs Diaz and let us not pretend like post Mayweather Conor was the same as '15-'16 Conor. He looked the best he ever looked at 155 vs Eddie IMHO.

There is no way around it, 145 and 155 are the most stacked division in the UFC; if you can become a champ-champ there, you are an all time great P4P fighter....heck, if you become a champ-champ anywhere in the modern UFC, you deserve to be up there. As great as they are, we all saw Max and Izzy try and that did not work out too well. I am not making the argument Conor is the GOAT P4P, not even close, just that his achievements put his peak self at a very high level.
 
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GeneTunney7 said:
You are making up criteria for greatness on the fly, to suit your narrative. It does not work that way, my friend.

We can use the Conor criteria for anyone else:

Who beat the #1 p4p fighter in 14 seconds?
What champion had wins in 3 different weight classes in a single year?
What fighter won two belts at 45 and 55 in 11 months?

And Conor lost his last 6? News to me! It does not matter what hi form is, Vodka soaked state and all, the guy is toast now, what matters is what he did in his prime. Wait, are you the type of guy that says Fedor sucked because he got KO'd at 42? You grade on a curve with nuance. No one's saying this current Conor is touch butt Conor.
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Lol and your criteria for greatness is that much more valid? Just because its your criteria, nay your opinion?

Good god you are stupid, cerrone lost his last 6. At least do a little bit of thinking and research before you ride his dick so hard.

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Mavrilicious said:
Lol and your criteria for greatness is that much more valid? Just because its your criteria, nay your opinion?

Good god you are stupid, cerrone lost his last 6. At least do a little bit of thinking and research before you ride his dick so hard.

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LMAO, and I am the one that is dumb when you are bringing up shell Vodka soaked post 2018 Conor in a thread that is about "touch butt" 2014-2016 Conor? What is next, gonna bring up Cro Cop that got KO'd by Scahub and try to conflate that with the Pride Cro Cop? No one is making the argument post Eddie Conor that retired for two years and went on a ceaseless bender was remotely close to his 2015-2016 version. Lord knows why you bring up the Khabib and Dustin fights, when the thread is exactly about the opposite.

The statement was "Conor did not have power that translated above 145" and I am calling BS. Firstly, you can not make the argument that because he did not KO Diaz - something no one has ever done with the hands - that Conor's power does not translate....that's like saying Tank Abbott did not have power because he could not KO Cabbage in their first fight. Conor's power translated just fine with Eddie and he smoked him in a fashion no had to that point, and he even dropped granite chin Diaz multiple times. And funny how it works, when Gaethje KO's Cerrone @ 155 "he is so powerful" and when Conor does it "does not count...Cerrone sucks" <Lmaoo>

Lmao, my guy, Im not even a fan of the guy but you are 100% an unhinged hater. As soon as someone resorts to name calling and hysteria ('gOoD GoD uR sToOpiD rIdiNg hIs dIcK"), there is absolutely no point engaging in future conversation. Take care, you sound like a really intelligent and fun guy to be around.<45>
 
Nobody ever brings up the IV ban anymore. The only fight Conor fought at 145 after the IV ban was the Aldo fight. As soon as he beat Aldo he started talking about 155 and part of the reason is probably because he knew 145 wasn't happening anymore without an IV. He's even talked about not being able to do the extra work do get down there with the injuries he's had.

There are a lot of factors. Obviously his lifestyle is one of the bigger ones, but I do think the IV ban changed things for him, as people predicted it would for a lot of top guys at the time.
 
ncboy said:
Nope, he avoided bad matchups during those days. Fought Max and Dustin when they were green and intimidated. Diaz was never championship level. Eddie and Aldo were just beginning the downsides of their careers. Fighters learned Conor's game and he lost his aura. That version of Conor doesn't beat any of them. His competition has evolved beyond him.
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Revisionist history at its finest.

When Conor was knocking heads off everyone he faced and winning two belts simultaneously you said fookin nothin.
 
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