Top 10 Heavyweights ever

[BFoe]

Thing is I will put Stipe over Fedor in a head to head but careerwise I wont put Stipe above him. I think Stipe would beat Fedor in more cases than Fedor beats Stipe.

We have to realize Fedor small stature, level of opponents he beat wasent always on par to the modern UFC

If Gane revanges his loss and defends 3x or 4x I have to put him above Fedor

If Ngannou defends 3x more I have to put him above Fedor

My guess is Gane will surpass Fedor or Pavlovich will. My hope is Pavlovich does

What would a HW have to do to surpass Fedor in your opinion?

It won’t surprise you that I’ll take Fedor to beat Stipe head to head.

As far as surpassing Fedor, it’s certainly possible—Khabib surpassed BJ Penn at LW after all. But man it’s tough.

I’ve never cared about the number of fights in Fedor’s streak, as he had an assortment of cans and squashes in there. But what he did is beat about a dozen ranked guys, including 5 former/future UFC champs (I say “future” mainly to include Nog, who was PRIDE champ and #1 HW in the world in 2002, and still good enough to be UFC Interim champ 6 years later), with 5 total title defenses, in one continuous unbeaten run. Gane is not undefeated, and has 1 former champ on his resume which is JDS.

But when Gane fought JDS, JDS hadn’t been UFC champ in 8 years, and was smack in the middle of an 0-5 run, all stoppage losses, 4 of them in rd 1. Ngannou fought JDS a year and a half before that. Fedor has no former champs that far removed from their reign. Coleman is the closest, as it had been about 7 years since he was UFC champ but only 4 years since his PRIDE OW GP win.

—Fedor fought and beat Nog at his Nog’s peak.
—Fedor fought Sylvia when he was just 15 months removed from being UFC champ, and was coming off a fight for the UFC Interim belt.
—Fedor fought Arlovksi when he was less than 3 years removed from being UFC champ, was on a 5-fight win streak and ranked #2 in the world.
—Even Randleman was less than 4 years removed from being champ.

Ngannou’s resume is better than Gane’s, but again, Arlovksi hadn’t been champ in like 11 years, JDS hadn’t been champ in almost 7, Overeem hadn’t held a title in 6+ years, and ironically Cain was closes to a title reign (a little less than 4 years), but was probably in the worst condition as he so injury ridden he hadn’t even fought in 3 years.

Honestly man, it’s going to be very, very difficult to see a HW do what Fedor did. There are so many dimensions to it: if someone surpasses his title defenses, are the opponents better, or at least close to prime? Was this fighter unbeaten? Did he beat as many former champs, and were they in or near their prime?
What Fedor accomplished is pretty remarkable.

 

[Brazilian007]

The top 4 is obvious and they can be whatever order makes you happiest:
Fedor, Nogueira, Werdum, and Stipe.

The next tier down I would give to two guys:
JDS and Cain

The next tier down is a bunch of names and they're all interchangeable imo:
Ngannou, Cormier, Sylvia, Mir, Arlovski, Overeem, Cro Cop, and Barnett

Sylvia or Arlovski dont belong top 6.

 

[Bearknuckle]

1. Fedor
2. You can argue all you want about it.

 

[HHJ]

But it is. And it isnt a good look for any GOAT to have a loss to a can

Who cares,under those circumstances,it hardly matters. Unless we are being Wiki-fans with no context,like alot of casuals are.

 

[Brazilian007]

Who cares,under those circumstances,it hardly matters. Unless we are being Wiki-fans with no context,like alot of casuals are.

It is logical a can cant beat a GOAT

 

[HHJ]

It is logical a can cant lose to a GOAT

GOAT is meaningless and fighters in the beggining of their careers get better somehow,strange concept I know

 

[Brazilian007]

GOAT is meaningfess and fighters in the beggining of their careers get better somehow,strange concept I know

Well then there is no pleasing you

 

[HHJ]

Well then there is no pleasing you

There is! Its just dumb to use that loss against Francis,first of all

Second,what does it matter? Francis came up in a completley different era than alot of the guys on the list,in a different set of circumstances. You can simply pick which one you think is better skill wise and accomplishments,but there really is no "greatest of all time"

Fedor had his era,than Cain,then Stipe,and Francis just got the belt,we can see what he does with it. But unless they all fight each other in their primes you cant really say for sure which one is the "greatest of all time" and what value does that have it its to change every few months anyway?

 

[Taric]

Nog does not belong. I dont know how many times I have to keep doing this

Big Nog is not top 4

Let alone not top 3

Fedor
Stipe
Werdum

Then either Cain or JDS

There are 4 fighters with 9 or more ranked wins at HW:

• Fedor, Nogueira, Werdum, and Stipe

That's the list. Nogueira specifically has 13.

Then on top of that Nogueira was a consensus top 5 HW for 9 consecutive years.
Would you like to know the full list of HW fighters that were top 5 for 9 consecutive years?

• Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

That's the list.

So you can keep saying anything you want, it's just not based around actual accomplishments in real life.

 

[Taric]

Cain is obviously above JDS so you can put him in the top tier

Cain has like 5 ranked wins less than all the guys in the tier above him. He belongs with JDS.

I didn't have an exact order in any of the tiers... that's why they're placed in tiers.

 

[Brazilian007]

There are 4 fighters with 9 or more ranked wins at HW:

• Fedor, Nogueira, Werdum, and Stipe

That's the list. Nogueira specifically has 13.

Then on top of that Nogueira was a consensus top 5 HW for 9 consecutive years.
Would you like to know the full list of HW fighters that were top 5 for 9 consecutive years?

• Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

That's the list.

So you can keep saying anything you want, it's just not based around actual accomplishments in real life.

Are yoy sure Fedor is not a top 5 HW for 9 years?

Big nog head to head losses to Cain and so many of the ranked guys he beat would not be ranked by todays standards and were actually LHWs. Big Nog is one of the most overrated HWs along with Cormier

 

[Brazilian007]

There are 4 fighters with 9 or more ranked wins at HW:

• Fedor, Nogueira, Werdum, and Stipe

That's the list. Nogueira specifically has 13.

Then on top of that Nogueira was a consensus top 5 HW for 9 consecutive years.
Would you like to know the full list of HW fighters that were top 5 for 9 consecutive years?

• Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

That's the list.

So you can keep saying anything you want, it's just not based around actual accomplishments in real life.

How close is Ngannou and Gane?

 

[Taric]

Sylvia or Arlovski dont belong top 6.

I don't think you understand how to count or the concept of a tier list.

Sylvia or Arlovski could be ranked anywhere between 8-14 on the tiers I have listed. And I really don't care where they end up between those rankings.... that's the purpose of the tiers.

 

[Taric]

Are yoy sure Fedor is not a top 5 HW for 9 years?

Big nog head to head losses to Cain and so many of the ranked guys he beat would not be ranked by todays standards and were actually LHWs. Big Nog is one of the most overrated HWs along with Cormier

Fedor was a top 5 fighter from 2002-2010. You can do the math yourself.

 

[HHJ]

Are yoy sure Fedor is not a top 5 HW for 9 years?

Big nog head to head losses to Cain and so many of the ranked guys he beat would not be ranked by todays standards and were actually LHWs. Big Nog is one of the most overrated HWs along with Cormier

Nonsense

Nogueira and DC are some of the best to ever do it.

 

[Brazilian007]

Nonsense

Nogueira and DC are some of the best to ever do it.

Okay see yourself out of here

Stipe
Fedor
Werdum

Are leagues above Nog and Cormier

 

[VAfan]

No mention of Arlovski epic fail

this, AA should be there. and honestly so should big timmeh, even though people didn't like him. his run at HW was long by HW standards.

 

[HHJ]

Okay see yourself out of here

Stipe
Fedor
Werdum

Are leagues above Nog and Cormier

Not really no.

I will haunt this thread til the end of your days.

 

[spinup]

But it is. And it isnt a good look for any GOAT to have a loss to a can

Does not matter. Not more than Stipe losing to Struve, Fedor to Koshaka or even Jones to Matt Hamill. They are irrelevant in their career.

And again the Cisse fight was not in MMA. Very different rules, and would have been likely scored for Ngannou under mma rules.

 

[spinup]

The top 4 is obvious and they can be whatever order makes you happiest:
Fedor, Nogueira, Werdum, and Stipe.

The next tier down I would give to two guys:
JDS and Cain

The next tier down is a bunch of names and they're all interchangeable imo:
Ngannou, Cormier, Sylvia, Mir, Arlovski, Overeem, Cro Cop, and Barnett

Cain does not belong there. Very brief career, 3 losses by finish including 2 in his prime and lacks variety of opponents.