Tony was lucky to never face Khabib

ImNotMirsadBektic said:
Askren comes from collegiate wrestling originally so his top control focused wrestling is just fine. In my opinion Khabib makes better use of the cage, has a bit stronger GnP and has better Judo TDs (but Askren uses some trips as well sometimes, he osoto gari'd Maia if I recall correctly), that's it. On paper, Askren should have the better understanding of sub/sweep defense as he proved himself in the black belt division of the ADCC unlike Khabib. Unless Khabib can get Maia pinned on bottom against the cage and take away space for subs and sweeps (like Islam vs Ramos, though Ramos was rocked from a knee and doesn't have the same BJJ level from bottom as Maia, but still) I see Maia troubling Khabib from bottom for every second and eventually sweeping or subbing him. I honestly don't see a scenario in which Khabib can get away with trying to control+GnP Maia on the ground for 25 minutes. That's my opinion :).
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Certainly a valid opinion. I can see the fight going many different ways... Khabib tends to play position first, so I can see it play out where he maintains top control and plays the safe GnP game. I can also see Khabib keeping the fight on the feet and pressuring Maia against the cage... Neither being particularly exciting strategies.

But Maia is bigger and craftier, and his ability to snatch back control is unparalleled, so the slightest overzealousness from Khabib could result in scrambles which could lead to him getting caught.

Super interesting fight on paper, for sure.
 
TheBulge said:
They really are incredibly annoying. You can't have any conversation about the man that isn't just blindly blowing him, like he was completely flawless and unbeatable. Idol worship which those Dagestani's find abhorent btw.
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Khabib is fuckin neato
 
The Bloody Nine said:
Astonishing what you took from that post. Maybe you're not a troll. Maybe you are genuinely retarded.
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Glad you agree with the facts I dropped
The Catch-Wrestler said:
He beat RDA, Connor, Poirier, Gaethje, all one-sided and all arguably in their prime.

And no, Olivera would not have submitted Khabib. I don't know if you ever read where Khabib said against Poirier he made snoring noises to get him to squeeze harder for the finish and use up his stamina.

Either way, many have tried the guillotine on Khabib, all have failed and lost. Olivera's isn't otherworldly, no reason to think it'd have ended any differently.
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Khabib said the first guillotine that Poirier locked in was right, and that's why he baited him for the 2nd attempt. RDA with a hurt rib also had Khabib trouble with a guillotine.

Oliveira's guillotine is far better than both of those guys' put together.
 
Prime Tony would still get wrestlefucked into oblivion .....Let's all agree to that. I doubt it would even be competitive.
 
Beherit said:
he won by being controlled by a low lvl wrestler who is years from oliveira and khabib in term of control. The delusion is high here, tony never had the skills to prevent khabib from taking him down, neither did he have the skills to shit pressed against the cage like a kid. Tony was being bullied by oliveira who never showed elite lvl wrestling and top control before (he is more of a bottom guy) ... Khabib would ve SMESH him, and u know it.

Poirier too btw, but on the feet, I remember when you though tony will beat Poirier LMAO.
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Hey man, if you want to pretend guys don't age that's good by me. I'm damn sure not gonna stop you from thinking that.
 
KlNG said:
Prime Tony would still get wrestlefucked into oblivion .....Let's all agree to that. I doubt it would even be competitive.
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Tony still was crazy enough to create a situation where victory was possible...but this was before Justin,and yes Khabib should be favored even against Tony at his best.
 
mkess101 said:
Hey man, if you want to pretend guys don't age that's good by me. I'm damn sure not gonna stop you from thinking that.
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In a way Conor slowin up 155 directly impacted Tony;s career,that and the constant curses against he and Khabib meeting
 
TBF Khabib has made everyone look silly besides Tibau. Tony is as tough as they come but he's on a one way ticket down the slope.
 
mkess101 said:
Hey man, if you want to pretend guys don't age that's good by me. I'm damn sure not gonna stop you from thinking that.
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fighter age, but even prime tony showed us the same vulnerabilities on the ground.

I repeat, the problem wasn't his athletic abilities/chin/cardio etc, but it was his fight IQ and technic, things that dont decrease with age, on the contrary ...

Prime tony would ve lost to justin like he lost to michael johnson in his "prime", prime tony would ve lost to oliveira like he almost lost/lost to castillo who is such a lesser fighter than chuck.

He makes the same mistakes he did in his prime, the consequences of being dumb and not have a real training camp.
 
Beherit said:
what could he do different lol ? even young tony was controlled similarly by castillo who is way below oliveira and khabib. You re smart, u know that tony has 0 wrestling and that pressed against the cage his grappling is nullified.
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You are spot on in all your posts in this thread and I agree 100% with all of them

Any version of Tony loses to Charles and Gaethje in the exact same way. Tony isn’t past his prime, he always fights like that

Khabib would have always smashed Tony, we all knew it. Tony is not some world class BJJ guy, not even close. Tony is an over hyped fighter who finally got exposed
 
Beherit said:
fighter age, but even prime tony showed us the same vulnerabilities on the ground.

I repeat, the problem wasn't his athletic abilities/chin/cardio etc, but it was his fight IQ and technic, things that dont decrease with age, on the contrary ...

Prime tony would ve lost to justin like he lost to michael johnson in his "prime", prime tony would ve lost to oliveira like he almost lost/lost to castillo who is such a lesser fighter than chuck.

He makes the same mistakes he did in his prime, the consequences of being dumb and not have a real training camp.
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He didn't lose to Castillo no matter how many times you try to repeat it. And funny that you choose MJ as "his prime" when he went on a TWELVE fight win streak after that. Any rational person would say his prime was in the middle of that win streak LOL.
 
Hitto said:
You are spot on in all your posts in this thread and I agree 100% with all of them

Any version of Tony loses to Charles and Gaethje in the exact same way. Tony isn’t past his prime, he always fights like that

Khabib would have always smashed Tony, we all knew it. Tony is not some world class BJJ guy, not even close. Tony is an over hyped fighter who finally got exposed
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You can fight the same way and be well past your prime LMAO.

You goofs seriously think at 155 with that kind of mileage he's the same guy?

SMH...
 
mkess101 said:
He didn't lose to Castillo no matter how many times you try to repeat it. And funny that you choose MJ as "his prime" when he went on a TWELVE fight win streak after that. Any rational person would say his prime was in the middle of that win streak LOL.
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ur talking about athletic prime, athletic prime is at 28-32 years old, after that, you re out of ur prime ... that's my entire point, tony's problem aint his athletic abilities, it is his camp, fight IQ, bad technic etc.
 
HHJ said:
I always thought Khabib would beat him,but no reason to make a disparaging thread about it. All your doin is showin a short memory.
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I think it's a little unfair to make threads about a past prime tony and apply his standard against chucky to how he would have faced khabib.

Khabib likely dominates him but chucky doesn't beat a prime tony. I truly believe that. Chucky wouldn't have that level of control and get away with a win. It would have gassed him out back then. Tony would have kept coming forward.

Tony use to eat leg kicks. First time I've seen him take a leg kicks and actually not push forward. The gaethje fight was still fresh in his head.
 
Beherit said:
ur talking about athletic prime, athletic prime is at 28-32 years old, after that, you re out of ur prime ... that's my entire point, tony's problem aint his athletic abilities, it is his camp, fight IQ, bad technic etc.
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Athletic prime can vary a bit. His fighting prime was quite obviously when he was in the middle of his long win streak.
 
Beherit said:
The dude cant defend a takedown to save his life, his bottom game against the cage sucked.

Khabib vs Tony : 50-40
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I usually don't go for MMath, but if Olivera could control Ferguson on the ground like that, it would not bode well for Tony in a Khabib matchup.

I think he never focused too much on TD defense because he was so good at either attacking from the ground, or scrambling out, so he was never too worried about avoiding going to the ground.
 
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