Tony was lucky to never face Khabib

ayaandirtyboy said:
in my opinion oliveira is just that good
and would beat khabib too
that guy is the real deal
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yep he ll sub khabib like he subbed felder
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Lmao if Dustin had Khabib in real trouble from a guillotine (Khabib's own admission), Oliveira would choke him dead.

Khabib is nothing more than a fabricated UFC hype job, never fought any great fighters in their prime.
 
loyalyolayal said:
Khabib was lucky to never face Oliveira.
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Shertards and reddittards think elite BJJers can't sweep or sub elite level topcontrol wrestlers, even though the best ones (Askren, Fedor, Cain etc.) all lost to the BJJ GOATS in MMA. It wouldn't be different with Khabib. Not sure Oliveira would beat him, but someone like Maia would on the ground. With the same ease as against Askren (who he constantly troubled from bottom position and subbed at the second time he swept him, mind you that's an olympic wrestler and black belt div ADCC participant that wrestlefucked everyone before that fight and has better credentials than Khabib on paper).
 
TrueTemper said:
Lmao if Dustin had Khabib in real trouble from a guillotine (Khabib's own admission), Oliveira would choke him dead.

Khabib is nothing more than a fabricated UFC hype job, never fought any great fighters in their prime.
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He beat RDA, Connor, Poirier, Gaethje, all one-sided and all arguably in their prime.

And no, Olivera would not have submitted Khabib. I don't know if you ever read where Khabib said against Poirier he made snoring noises to get him to squeeze harder for the finish and use up his stamina.

Either way, many have tried the guillotine on Khabib, all have failed and lost. Olivera's isn't otherworldly, no reason to think it'd have ended any differently.
 
ImNotMirsadBektic said:
Shertards and reddittards think elite BJJers can't sweep or sub elite level topcontrol wrestlers, even though the best ones (Askren, Fedor, Cain etc.) all lost to the BJJ GOATS in MMA. It wouldn't be different with Khabib. Not sure Oliveira would beat him, but someone like Maia would on the ground. With the same ease as against Askren (who he constantly troubled from bottom position and subbed at the second time he swept him, mind you that's an olympic wrestler and black belt div ADCC participant that wrestlefucked everyone before that fight and has better credentials than Khabib on paper).
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I understand the point you are making, but it's wildly inaccurate to compare Askren's style of wrestling with Khabib. Khabib is an expert in combat Sambo, which has an extremely different focus than Olympic wrestling.

Khabib vs Maia is an interesting style matchup, but I think we can both agree it would not look like Askren-Maia.
 
Terrorist said:
[Ferguson] hadn't ever fought any of the top 3/4
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Nelly said:
RDA was #2 when Tony beat him.
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Kha'bless said:
RDA was coming off a KO loss when Tony beat him. Khabib beat him after he had 5 straight wins and then another 5 consecutive wins post the Khabib loss.
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So lets get this straight, @Kha'bless, you see someone who made a factual correction to someone elses post, and then you move the goalpost by using a strawman argument? @Nelly never said Tony's win against RDA was as good as Khabib's (though RDA had literally JUST lost his title). Khabib was not in his discussion, it was about the truth (or lack thereof) in the prior post. So, was he wrong? No? Then STFU
Good catch, Nelly
 
Beherit said:
The dude cant defend a takedown to save his life, his bottom game against the cage sucked.

Khabib vs Tony : 50-40
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I think Tony 4-5 years ago could have done better, but the Tony that showed up yesterday did not look good or dangerous at all.
 
Beef ducked Tony for years and there are reasons for that.. You think today's Tony=pre-knee surgery Tony? Tony is on decline for sure but he was great at his day
 
Beherit said:
what could he do different lol ? even young tony was controlled similarly by castillo who is way below oliveira and khabib. You re smart, u know that tony has 0 wrestling and that pressed against the cage his grappling is nullified.
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Completely different vs Castillo, Tony was able to retain guard and do all the damage. That's why he won. Yes Castillo is of course levels below those guys.

Again, Tony is just old now. He clearly is physically weaker, his ability to scramble and explode isn't there, he's not the same guy. Beat the hell out of his body in training over the years, major surgeries, and he's just really old for a LW that's high in the rankings.

I have no idea what the 2015-2016 version of Tony would look like vs those guys. This version can't compete. Primes end, happens to everyone. Father Time is undefeated.
 
Meh, I still think a few years ago he would of given Khabib his toughest fight, i'm more convinced Khabib would of beaten him now though.
 
The Catch-Wrestler said:
I understand the point you are making, but it's wildly inaccurate to compare Askren's style of wrestling with Khabib. Khabib is an expert in combat Sambo, which has an extremely different focus than Olympic wrestling.

Khabib vs Maia is an interesting style matchup, but I think we can both agree it would not look like Askren-Maia.
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Askren comes from collegiate wrestling originally so his top control focused wrestling is just fine. In my opinion Khabib makes better use of the cage, has a bit stronger GnP and has better Judo TDs (but Askren uses some trips as well sometimes, he osoto gari'd Maia if I recall correctly), that's it. On paper, Askren should have the better understanding of sub/sweep defense as he proved himself in the black belt division of the ADCC unlike Khabib. Unless Khabib can get Maia pinned on bottom against the cage and take away space for subs and sweeps (like Islam vs Ramos, though Ramos was rocked from a knee and doesn't have the same BJJ level from bottom as Maia, but still) I see Maia troubling Khabib from bottom for every second and eventually sweeping or subbing him. I honestly don't see a scenario in which Khabib can get away with trying to control+GnP Maia on the ground for 25 minutes. That's my opinion :).
 
mkess101 said:
Completely different vs Castillo, Tony was able to retain guard and do all the damage. That's why he won. Yes Castillo is of course levels below those guys.

Again, Tony is just old now. He clearly is physically weaker, his ability to scramble and explode isn't there, he's not the same guy. Beat the hell out of his body in training over the years, major surgeries, and he's just really old for a LW that's high in the rankings.

I have no idea what the 2015-2016 version of Tony would look like vs those guys. This version can't compete. Primes end, happens to everyone. Father Time is undefeated.
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he won by being controlled by a low lvl wrestler who is years from oliveira and khabib in term of control. The delusion is high here, tony never had the skills to prevent khabib from taking him down, neither did he have the skills to shit pressed against the cage like a kid. Tony was being bullied by oliveira who never showed elite lvl wrestling and top control before (he is more of a bottom guy) ... Khabib would ve SMESH him, and u know it.

Poirier too btw, but on the feet, I remember when you though tony will beat Poirier LMAO.
 
ImNotMirsadBektic said:
Shertards and reddittards think elite BJJers can't sweep or sub elite level topcontrol wrestlers, even though the best ones (Askren, Fedor, Cain etc.) all lost to the BJJ GOATS in MMA. It wouldn't be different with Khabib. Not sure Oliveira would beat him, but someone like Maia would on the ground. With the same ease as against Askren (who he constantly troubled from bottom position and subbed at the second time he swept him, mind you that's an olympic wrestler and black belt div ADCC participant that wrestlefucked everyone before that fight and has better credentials than Khabib on paper).
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TheBulge said:
The hindsight-shertards can fuck right off. Tony is past his prime. Yes, Khabib would have taken him down and controlled him, but there is no doubt that in a 5 round fight he would have sliced Khabib's face open with elbows and gotten many submission attempts.
Once Khabib starts bleeding all over the place you don't know how he would have reacted because he never had to. So he might have just kept the fight standing which would have favored prime Tony. All in all I think prime vs prime this would have been a great close fight.
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LOL. I'm a Tony fan too but he would of been murdered at any point of his life fighting Khabib. Name Tony's best win...
 
Beherit said:
There's a reason, those tony fans were making thread left and right about tony being the "nightmare " match up for khabib. We saw a fighter with 0 wrestling, 0 offense from bottom against the cage ( where he ll be against khabib ).

The problem wasn't his chin, his speed, it was his technic, low lvl wrestling, bjj not usable against the cage, cant deal with pressure etc

Where u at @mkess101 ?
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Looks like I was proven right

As usual ;)

@mkess101
 
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