Tito Ortiz endorses Donald Trump

[funcrusher2007]

Titos reasoning on why he supports trump is a pretty damn good indication of how ignorant and unintelligent trump supporters are..

Trump literally has a who's who of idiots in his caucus

 

[funcrusher2007]

Net plus lololol perhaps you are not aware of the 1950's and the term ugly Americans. Let's just say there were almost no Mexicans in the 1950's. The reality is once we opened our borders we went downhill. Our enemies know this which is why they opened them. Same reason they are opening Europe's borders now. The only difference between a Mexican and an arab is religion.

Down hill?
America has been on the rise since... If you mean culturally then that's subjective to opinion... But Latina girls are hot,Mexican food is great (these two examples are in jest but true)and cheap immigrant labor helped make this country the powerhouse it is... Don't kid yourself , the Mexican immigrant population has helped our country more then most people recognize..there is a ton of negatives to this situation but for the all around good of usa, the pros out way the cons. Look to Alabama as an example of why what I said is true.. There extreme immigration stance blew the fuck back at them big time and they quietly repealed them.

 

[Ruprecht]

Yeah... Ortiz supporting Trump because he's been bankrupt and is still rich, pretty much says it all about Trump supporters.

 

[Hallelujah]

Down hill?
America has been on the rise since... If you mean culturally then that's subjective to opinion... But Latina girls are hot,Mexican food is great (these two examples are in jest but true)and cheap immigrant labor helped make this country the powerhouse it is... Don't kid yourself , the Mexican immigrant population has helped our country more then most people recognize..there is a ton of negatives to this situation but for the all around good of usa, the pros out way the cons. Look to Alabama as an example of why what I said is true.. There extreme immigration stance blew the fuck back at them big time and they quietly repealed them.

No they haven't. Offer me a specific proof with facts/stats to back up your claim. Also prove how the immigrants/refugees in Europe are helping those nations and natives live better lives.

 

[Hallelujah]

Or you know, you could actually do some basic research and see that:

1) Overall rates of criminality have decreased on per capita basis
2) % of population with a college education has increased
3) % of the population who are classified as middle class has increased

These are improvements that are separate from the quantum leap forward when it comes to basic human rights. I encourage you to read into heuristics errors and jumping to conclusions based on anecdotal observation.

Also, I still contend your parallel between Arabic and Mexican culture was asinine. Your reductionist logic makes no sense, because you have arbitrary chosen to define "true" Mexican identity as being pre-colonial. By that logic, the only true Canadians and Americans are indignenous natives, and ere-go, we were a wild and uncivilized bunch until Europeans decided to colonize.

So you're saying whites in USA have lower crime, graduate college more and live with greater wealth because of illegal aliens? Like I said compare 1950 USA wealth statistics, crime statistics and anything else with 2015. This is relevant because 1950 USA was 90% white, 2015 USA is about 55% white. Obviously your statement is true for illegals as they no longer live in 3rd world shitholes but not for native whites. Our standard of living has been eroded and if we complain we are racist.

Your last statement is about to get destroyed. True Canadians and Americans are white men. Whites crossed the northern Atlantic and discovered USA 20,000 years ago. The Bering land bridge from Asia occurred 12,000 years ago. By your logic this is my land. Why were there no whites when Columbus arrived? Because the savage racist Indians killed them all. Aborigines skulls have also been excavated in south America but obviously were not present when the Spanish arrived. You know what this means? It means the savage racist Indians killed them all.

I know I know I'm full of shit even though you have never heard of this angle before. Research son.

 

[Thames]

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best."

 

[funcrusher2007]

No they haven't. Offer me a specific proof with facts/stats to back up your claim. Also prove how the immigrants/refugees in Europe are helping those nations and natives live better lives.

Fuck Europe,that's not what I'm talking about.. But the next time you buy a nice cheap meal just remember an immigrants cheap labor helped that meal get to your table at a price that wasn't robbery... You want stats on the economic accsension of America?

Read up champ
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/02/How-Immigrants-Boost-US-Economic-Growth

There's pretty graphics to help if you get lost.

 

[funcrusher2007]

So you're saying whites in USA have lower crime, graduate college more and live with greater wealth because of illegal aliens? Like I said compare 1950 USA wealth statistics, crime statistics and anything else with 2015. This is relevant because 1950 USA was 90% white, 2015 USA is about 55% white. Obviously your statement is true for illegals as they no longer live in 3rd world shitholes but not for native whites. Our standard of living has been eroded and if we complain we are racist.

Your last statement is about to get destroyed. True Canadians and Americans are white men. Whites crossed the northern Atlantic and discovered USA 20,000 years ago. The Bering land bridge from Asia occurred 12,000 years ago. By your logic this is my land. Why were there no whites when Columbus arrived? Because the savage racist Indians killed them all. Aborigines skulls have also been excavated in south America but obviously were not present when the Spanish arrived. You know what this means? It means the savage racist Indians killed them all.

I know I know I'm full of shit even though you have never heard of this angle before. Research son.

Holy shit... You went full retard.. You aren't even worth the debate

 

[44nutman]

The United States is built on immigrants you moron. It started with the English/French/Dutch, then Blacks(forced immigration but not native none the less), then Irish/Italians, around the same time Asians to the west, then the last group was South Americans, to the west, Cubans/Puerto Ricans/Caribbean Islanders to the south and east.
Lets not act like immigrants are a new thing.

 

[The Diplomat]

So you're saying whites in USA have lower crime, graduate college more and live with greater wealth because of illegal aliens? Like I said compare 1950 USA wealth statistics, crime statistics and anything else with 2015. This is relevant because 1950 USA was 90% white, 2015 USA is about 55% white. Obviously your statement is true for illegals as they no longer live in 3rd world shitholes but not for native whites. Our standard of living has been eroded and if we complain we are racist.

Your last statement is about to get destroyed. True Canadians and Americans are white men. Whites crossed the northern Atlantic and discovered USA 20,000 years ago. The Bering land bridge from Asia occurred 12,000 years ago. By your logic this is my land. Why were there no whites when Columbus arrived? Because the savage racist Indians killed them all. Aborigines skulls have also been excavated in south America but obviously were not present when the Spanish arrived. You know what this means? It means the savage racist Indians killed them all.

I know I know I'm full of shit even though you have never heard of this angle before. Research son.

Inflation and America's foreign debt is worse now than ever before, but as a whole America is in a far better place than in the 1950's. Homicide rates are lower, worker deaths are lowered, automobile deaths are lower, life expectancy is up - in the 1950's, there was Jim Crow, no civil rights, the House Un-American Activies Committee which would spy on and imprison Americans thought to be communists, more domestic violence and women were to be "put in their place."

But I'm sure you long for the days of a racist American government, so a lot of it was probably a good thing to you.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Down hill?
America has been on the rise since... If you mean culturally then that's subjective to opinion... But Latina girls are hot,Mexican food is great (these two examples are in jest but true)and cheap immigrant labor helped make this country the powerhouse it is... Don't kid yourself , the Mexican immigrant population has helped our country more then most people recognize..there is a ton of negatives to this situation but for the all around good of usa, the pros out way the cons. Look to Alabama as an example of why what I said is true.. There extreme immigration stance blew the fuck back at them big time and they quietly repealed them.

I am not a fan of Trump. I think he is insecure and lashes out at people when they criticize him. This is not a quality you want in a head of state. Trump will be our version of Khrushchev. Trump is not a racist though, as some suggest, just because he wants to secure the border.

Border security is important (despite the fact that low wage south and central American workers contribute to our economy, Mexican food is "great," and Mexican girls are "hot"). Even though the vast majority of illegal immigrants are just here to work for a living and support their families, the criminal contingent (and the possibility of terrorists breaching our borders) can't be ignored. Opening our borders to illegal immigrants is a bad idea.

I think we need to have an organized process where people from south and central America can be interviewed for work visas and placed through agencies (kind of like au pair). Yes, this would make them a little more expensive but not a lot, and it would make the process of these people traveling to the states much safer.

 

[Joe]

Net plus lololol perhaps you are not aware of the 1950's and the term ugly Americans. Let's just say there were almost no Mexicans in the 1950's. The reality is once we opened our borders we went downhill. Our enemies know this which is why they opened them. Same reason they are opening Europe's borders now. The only difference between a Mexican and an arab is religion.

lol at comparing mexicans to arabs as if mexican culture wasnt part of american culture before the 1950s

 

[in the]

I can see why but I think that's an awkward place to leave them. It leaves them as a sort of underclass without access to the same resources and benefits of residents and citizens

I would rather attempt to legalize those who have been here for some time and are rooted here by children(assuming they haven't committed any serious crime) and deport those who aren't.

It's mutually beneficial. They get to work and make more money than they would in Mexico, we get cheaper labor and people doing jobs the vast majority of Americans don't want to do (mostly farming/harvesting work). It's a win-win. Not that some illegals aren't here to sell drugs or commit crimes, but until we reach European levels of that, I'm fine with the current process continuing. I really don't care about underclass. They don't have a right to be an American citizen. They'll have a better life here in America over their nation of citizenship. Even they think so, or else they wouldn't traverse such a dangerous path to get here. So that's a relative argument I don't even consider.

Just legalizing everyone who has been here for awhile will truly create an underclass of American citizens who need government spending to keep them afloat. And in the same vein of Tito, building a wall or legalizing/granting citizenship isn't going to magically stop central Americans from coming to America. If anything, it could make things worse.

 

[The Diplomat]

I am not a fan of Trump. I think he is insecure and lashes out at people when they criticize him. This is not a quality you want in a head of state. Trump will be our version of Khrushchev. Trump is not a racist though, as some suggest, just because he wants to secure the border.

Border security is important (despite the fact that low wage south and central American workers contribute to our economy, Mexican food is "great," and Mexican girls are "hot"). Even though the vast majority of illegal immigrants are just here to work for a living and support their families, the criminal contingent (and the possibility of terrorists breaching our borders) can't be ignored. Opening our borders to illegal immigrants is a bad idea.

I think we need to have an organized process where people from south and central America can be interviewed for work visas and placed through agencies (kind of like au pair). Yes, this would make them a little more expensive but not a lot, and it would make the process of these people traveling to the states much safer.

I agree with stronger border security, if not just for national security alone. But I think a huge portion of the blame can also be laid on those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants in the first place. If there were no jobs to be had, then I think a large majority of illegal immigrants wouldn't have a reason to come here. Not all, of course, because there is always the criminal element, but take away the job element and I see a reduction. Illegal/undocumented immigrants can't apply for welfare or food stamps, at least legally. There is supposed to be proof of legal immigration status, and even legal immigrants have to be in America for atleast 5 years before they can apply.

 

[in the]

It's not just Mexicans, it's people that come through Mexico.

I don't mean this in a dickish way, but if you come to where I live you probably would mind the way things are right now. And they are that way directly because of illegal immigration. The people here causing problems are not the products of legal immigration.

Yeah, that's why I have started to include central Americans in my posts from that point on. I had a really liberal friend move to Brownsville and he became a quasi-racist. I can't remember all his complaints, but he was pissed off that a lot of people, including some business owners, couldn't even speak English. I always bash people living on coastal areas, thousands of miles away from the problem of border states, getting on their soapboxes and lecturing people from those four states about how they shouldn't worry about illegal immigration, so I just want to say I'm not doing the same. I'm looking at the cheap labor and work ethic they bring to this nation, but I do understand things are quite different for border states and I fully understand why you guys would want to be harsher on illegal immigration.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

And culture, and customs, and values... that isn't to say one is any worse or better than the other, but the parallel you have drawn is tenuous.

And what is with people's obsession with viewing history through rose colored glasses - by every metric, American's today have a higher standard of living than they did in the 50s. Not to mention the significant strides in gender and racial equality that were conspicuously absent in the so called "golden age" of America.

Although I suppose if you prefer a time where coloreds still drank from different water fountains, and the solution to spousal abuse was a pear of dark sunglasses, then modern America may not be for you.

What benefits has women's "equality" brought society outside of more problems? Skilled and talented men are losing jobs to mediocre women because of diversity quotas. The standards of education are dropping rapidly due to the feminization of education. Music and the Arts continue to decline because the market is driven by teenage and college girls purchasing garbage like Justin Bieber and 50 Shades of Grey. Relationships and Marriages are deteriorating because most career women refuse to date a lower status male. Children are being raised by institutions because a woman no longer stays at home to care for the children and maintain the home. There is an overall moral decay as more women buy into the false idea that sexual liberation and a Sex and the City lifestyle is something beneficial.

There is now the endless "girl power" marketing and nonstop whining from the countless entitled girls being churned out of the growing (and utterly useless) women's studies programs that are plaguing colleges.

Sure there is now better family planning and women's health services, but that can accomplished without the decline of standards, family and morality.

 

[Philo-Publius]

I agree with stronger border security, if not just for national security alone. But I think a huge portion of the blame can also be laid on those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants in the first place. If there were no jobs to be had, then I think a large majority of illegal immigrants wouldn't have a reason to come here. Not all, of course, because there is always the criminal element, but take away the job element and I see a reduction. Illegal/undocumented immigrants can't apply for welfare or food stamps, at least legally. There is supposed to be proof of legal immigration status, and even legal immigrants have to be in America for atleast 5 years before they can apply.

It is very easy to get a fake social security card and other documents. Employers don't always knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Something else to consider though...America makes up 42% of the world economy but doesn't nearly make up 42% of the world population (a much smaller fraction in fact). Which means our population can't come close to filling out the lower rung work force it can support. There is truth to the idea that we need "cheap labor" from other countries to fill out our work force.

Also, people who are here legally as non-citizens should not have access to social programs either.

 

[Hallelujah]

Inflation and America's foreign debt is worse now than ever before, but as a whole America is in a far better place than in the 1950's. Homicide rates are lower, worker deaths are lowered, automobile deaths are lower, life expectancy is up - in the 1950's, there was Jim Crow, no civil rights, the House Un-American Activies Committee which would spy on and imprison Americans thought to be communists, more domestic violence and women were to be "put in their place."

But I'm sure you long for the days of a racist American government, so a lot of it was probably a good thing to you.

Lmao so illegal aliens are the reason homicide rates are lower? Mexicans are better workers so they die less on the job? Better drivers too? Illegals make whites better drivers? Illegals created the medicine which helps with life expectancy? Man it's truly amazing these great people left their wonderful third world shitholes. You'd think they are leaving paradises.

McCarthy was a hero. Communist opened our borders just like they are opening Europe's borders to muslims. You realize Communists stole our nuclear secrets and this is the only reason for the cold war right? You know we executed two Russian Jewish agents named the Rosenburg's right?

You know of a black man named Leonard Patterson? You know he trained revolution in Russia in the 1930's right? You know he and his pals basically orchestrated the entire civil rights movement right? You know he repented later in life and realized he was a pawn of the communists who was used to destroy his own people and USA right? You know blacks in NYC in 1890 had 90% marriage rates right? You know MLK, Malcom X, Huey Newton were all in love with communism and it's bolshevik leaders like lenin, Trotsky and marx? How much do you really know?

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's mutually beneficial. They get to work and make more money than they would in Mexico, we get cheaper labor and people doing jobs the vast majority of Americans don't want to do (mostly farming/harvesting work). It's a win-win. Not that some illegals aren't here to sell drugs or commit crimes, but until we reach European levels of that, I'm fine with the current process continuing. I really don't care about underclass. They don't have a right to be an American citizen. They'll have a better life here in America over their nation of citizenship. Even they think so, or else they wouldn't traverse such a dangerous path to get here. So that's a relative argument I don't even consider.

My problem with that is that access to cheap illegal labor drops the wages for Americans who might otherwise be willing to do that line of work. I'd rather accept some and allow them to be protected by the same labor laws and not be subjected to shit wages and out compete Americans who should rightfully be entitled to a living wage if they're doing back breaking work then allow business owners access to incredibly cheap labor for dangerous work

Just legalizing everyone who has been here for awhile will truly create an underclass of American citizens who need government spending to keep them afloat. And in the same vein of Tito, building a wall or legalizing/granting citizenship isn't going to magically stop central Americans from coming to America. If anything, it could make things worse.

If they would need government assistance as legal residents what makes you think they would be better off without it? They would be worse off and form an even more desperate, miserable underclass.

Its more accurate to say they would be absorbed into the existing American underclass but to me that's not a problem of immigration as much as it is a problem of a lack of upward social mobility which has diminished a lot over the last few decades.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Yeah, that's why I have started to include central Americans in my posts from that point on. I had a really liberal friend move to Brownsville and he became a quasi-racist. I can't remember all his complaints, but he was pissed off that a lot of people, including some business owners, couldn't even speak English. I always bash people living on coastal areas, thousands of miles away from the problem of border states, getting on their soapboxes and lecturing people from those four states about how they shouldn't worry about illegal immigration, so I just want to say I'm not doing the same. I'm looking at the cheap labor and work ethic they bring to this nation, but I do understand things are quite different for border states and I fully understand why you guys would want to be harsher on illegal immigration.

Ha, actually I live about as far away from the border as you can get--all the way in New York state. But there's a huge Central American community here, and I guess that's why more and more keep coming. The problem is that where the decent Central Americans go, so do the bad ones. The incredibly violent and destructive Central American gangs have sprouted up here and become a real problem. They don't come here legally because many have lengthy records. In the rare occasions they actually get deported, some have come back. Drugs, gangs...things we don't need more of in this country but we're getting anyway because some bureaucrats behind their white picket fences decide that the economic benefit balances out the truly awful things a minority of illegals do.