News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[Doughie99]

OK guys now THIS is interesting and indeed NEWS.
If it's legit,.....it's James Cameron with some inside info, where he says he has reason to believe the sub imploded at a depth of approx 3500meters (300meters above the seabed) and this is what has resulted in the debris field :

if true, they're all dead, crushed & pulped as the vessels' hull collapsed (i'm going to assume the carbon-fiber failed), and have been dead for several days. Which means we may never know what ORIGINALLY caused the failure if it's just a small pile of crushed material on the seabed.

I expect the titanium hemispherical end-caps to have survived more or less intact and should be recognisable.

 

[Doughie99]

Hope some people end up in jail for this.

Stockton Rush is dead, and he is the guy most directly responsible.

yesterday I did say in a post :
"I just don't think carbon-fiber is a good material for this application. It's very strong in CERTAIN directions but it can degrade and have weak spots and it CAN shatter too. And it's strength depends on how well it's laid and how well it's baked in an Auto-clave. Making it is not like metal at all -- it requires multiple layers criss-crossed in specific angles to each other etc.
Apparently the cylindrical part of the hull was made from it, apart from the titanium end-cap. The join I think would be an issue and you really don't need lightweight in this application, you need 100% reliable strength and resistance to fatigue, cracking, corrosion, tears in your material etc."

and it seems James Cameron from his post today (assuming it IS him and i'm sure it is) effectively agrees that carbon-fiber is not a material to use for an application like this. Whole thing should have been steel alloy or titanium alloy. Or it may have been the viewing port that failed as it was allegedly not rated to anywhere near this depth of 3800meters.
Anyway, R.I.P. to the dead but it could have been avoided by better design and testing.

 

[emefer]

Hope some people end up in jail for this.

Well I don’t know that @ralphc1 deserves jail time for his voice of text color but I wouldn’t be upset if he were fined

 

[jeff7b9]

I hope they went quick.

They tried to do something amazing and it didn't work out. As long as they knew the risks and were comfortable with them, then it is what it is.

They went somewhere where supposedly less humans have gone than space. They saw things that few human eyes have ever seen... hopefuly it was not just blackness.

We are so quick to condemn, but I see a different thing here. Was it perhaps reckless? sure, but it was also a very pure form of the most beautiful element of curiosity and ingenuity.
Testing the limits of what man can do.
That's pretty cool if you ask me.

 

[Busgosu]

What’s he do?

Didn't you see that brutal blue font post??

 

[RedBeard_]

Damn, I would have paid some one to do it.
But I guess its hard to find some one dumb enough to be willing to captain that with a Logitech joystick.

Yeah, if the bluetooth goes out down there you have zero recourse for piloting that thing. You are literally dead in the water. Even if full power doesn't go out, but just bluetooth does, you are dead.

 

[Sara]

Didn't you see that brutal blue font post??

Oh I have young eyes, I just read it

 

[13Seconds]

I hope they went quick.

They tried to do something amazing and it didn't work out. As long as they knew the risks and were comfortable with them, then it is what it is.

They went somewhere where supposedly less humans have gone than space. They saw things that few human eyes have ever seen... hopefuly it was not just blackness.

We are so quick to condemn, but I see a different thing here. Was it perhaps reckless? sure, but it was also a very pure form of the most beautiful element of curiosity and ingenuity.
Testing the limits of what man can do.
That's pretty cool if you ask me.

The thing lost communication before they reached the wreck. So i don't think they had a chance to even glance at it?

Either way RIP. As stupid as it was they didn't deserve to die.

 

[LEWIS540]

I hope they went quick.

They tried to do something amazing and it didn't work out. As long as they knew the risks and were comfortable with them, then it is what it is.

They went somewhere where supposedly less humans have gone than space. They saw things that few human eyes have ever seen... hopefuly it was not just blackness.

We are so quick to condemn, but I see a different thing here. Was it perhaps reckless? sure, but it was also a very pure form of the most beautiful element of curiosity and ingenuity.
Testing the limits of what man can do.
That's pretty cool if you ask me.

Exactly.

Yeah you can call it human hubris, but as I said earlier, these are the traits that mean we no longer live in trees.

This idea that these people did it on a whim with no intense planning is laughable.

999/1000 these seemingly “suicidal adventures” go without a hitch.

 

[emefer]

Oh I have young eyes, I just read it

Oh no you looked at it. You’re eyes like 5-6 years older now instantly

 

[RedBeard_]

They must be dead by now.

Their only hope is if that thing surfaced, marooned on a deserted island, and they were able to crack that thing open.

 

[13Seconds]

Press conference 3PM eastern.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

RIP to the departed

 

[Sara]

Their only hope is if that thing surfaced, marooned on a deserted island, and they were able to crack that thing open.

If it was able to crack open it means it was too weak to withstand submerging

 

[Sara]

Press conference 3PM eastern.

That’s how many hours away?

 

[MicroBrew]

Thats the point, the sub company man said it and look what happened to them. And this aircraft looks like built by well established professionals...or "50 year old white men".
Point is, whatever kind of vehicle you are going in, i would prefer it built by professionals in their field.

Mind you, i'm just going by from what i read on this thread...don't know if its actually true that the Titan was built by "non-50 year old white men"

James Cameron went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in a submersible which he helped design. His though looks way more professional than the Titan. Built in Australia, in partnershop with the National Geographic Society, with partial funding from Rolex.

Info on Cameron's submersible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger

For the dive, Cameron designed a 24-foot submersible vehicle, the Deepsea Challenger — "this kind of long, green torpedo that moves vertically through the water," as he tells All Things Considered's Melissa Block. Cameron was able to watch his descent, he says, through a window that was about 9-1/2 inches thick.

At the spot Cameron visited, the water pressure is more than 16,000 pounds per square inch. By the time he reached the seafloor, several pieces of equipment had fallen prey to the immense pressure.

"A couple of my batteries are dangerously low, my compass is glitching, and the sonar has died completely," Cameron writes for National Geographic. "Plus, I've lost two of the three starboard thrusters, so the sub is sluggish and hard to control."



https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/05/23/186302916/Mariana-Trench

 

[The Clinch]

That’s how many hours away?

 

[Doughie99]

That’s how many hours away?

2hours 27mins from now.

They're all dead. Sub imploded near seabed, I suspect they will announce that at the presser and that this is now a "Recovery" operation but there really will be not much recognisable to recover. Game over.

I suspect the titanium hemispheres will be the easiest to recognize and relatively intact.

 

[Busgosu]

That’s how many hours away?

1/5 of air tank

 

[Sara]

I seriously I hope they didn’t even have time to be afraid