News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[Bojka]

Only if they’re not white. That’s the only catch

If you look at the lead engineer on the website he's some old ass white dude. Looks old enough to be senile, lol.

edit: Site's down, but I found a pic in google images

 

[Prefect]

I think air balloons would be unworkable at that depth due to the pressure....it just crushes everything that's not got a hull of inches of steel alloy or titanium alloy.
plus.....when the sub rose the massive pressure drop when rising would burst any air balloon on the way up (even if it were possible to inflate them at 2.5miles down, which it would not be possible anyway).
A bit like a divers lungs would burst IF they do not exhale slowly on the way up from depth. Plus attaching air balloons ...... very hard.
Air balloons work well at normal diving depths though.

That isn't how these thing work. Uusually, subs have a ballast tank that they can blow out to rise quickly. If they were doing this simply, I suspect that they just have a heavy weight that they detach from. I don't know how deep this dive is but on the one for the Adriatic Trench, the vessel is shaped as it is because it takes way to long to dive slowly. The try to sink it as fast as possible to save air.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Like a message in a bottle

Decent tune

 

[syct23]

They would've made double that taking other rich people deep down over the next few years though.

Would’ve, could’ve, should’ve…

but honestly I agree with you. That was one of the first things I thought, That these are billionaires… Why not make a replica of something that already exists and has been proven, to use for the tours. And take the rest of the $$$ and time for their pet side project to create their own submersible.

but hell,
“I Want It Now!” - They were bad eggs…

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

But why?
I have the wired version (Logitech F310). I also don't have plans of using it to pilot a submersible device thousands of feet below the surface.

Because now they’re going to make a killing selling them on eBay

 

[PBAC]

They would've made double that taking other rich people deep down over the next few years though.

due to it being susceptible to water-damage???

I don't think anyone wants their product being associated with people suffocating in a tuna can underwater.

According to TikTok sources it is a $100 version of their standard product. I would guess if their top end version of their controller is conformed responsible it's probably not going to do them any justice.

Logitech controllers breaking are a running gag among gamers. If their top end model is responsible for their deaths it will make the entire line look bad

 

[Sara]

But why?
I have the wired version (Logitech F310). I also don't have plans of using it to pilot a submersible device thousands of feet below the surface.

That’s cause you have no vision.

 

[My Spot]

According to TikTok sources it is a $100 version of their standard product. I would guess if their top end version of their controller is conformed responsible it's probably not going to do them any justice.

The Logitech F710 is a budget wireless PC gaming controller. There is no "top end" version.

 

[MicroBrew]

And you don't think the desire to hire someone for something other than their qualifications to do the job lead to this?
He fired a guy who told him it wasn't safe. He refused to submit to industry standard inspection and certification.
The 50 year old White guys (experts) were either avoided or ignored so he could have an "inspirational" company - one that ignores the hard-won wisdom of experts in his chosen field. He only wanted people who were too afraid or too ignorant to tell him no.

Well ofcourse he (and the other company heads) fcuked up.

 

[StonedLemur]

About the implosion theory, if the submersive really imploded, wouldn't the someone be able to pick it up/hear it?

From what I understand the sub and the mothership had constant communication until the sub suddenly lost signal while it was descending.

I don’t know what they use to hear underwater stuff but the equipment seems sensetive enough to be able to hear an implosion no?

Implosion and explosion are 2 different things sir.
Implosion would only make a momentary sound, not an expanding sound like an explosion.

It would happen so fast that it may just sound like a blip in the grand scheme of things.

 

[scoopj]

 

[Phlog]

If the current is 4 knots, a normal current, the craft would have been moving 400ft per minute without power. The space of the ocean that they had to search was really massive. You're talking bigger than many country kinda spaces.

An implosion would have been detected many thousands of miles away by many listening stations.

Even if we actually want the details we would find...and I'm not sure we do...I don't know if they're worth making anybody open that capsule and live with it. And somebody would have to.

I think it's probably a legal matter at this point to determine culpability. But that's not any area is really know about, just speculation.

Im pretty sure you can listen to that audio tape on the Youtube or at least part of it. Its pretty gruesome.

That's fake I believe. Sounds it too!

Submarine disasters are definitely one of those morbid fascination things that I can find myself going down wiki holes about from time to time (along with plane crashes and mountineering disasters).

The one that sticks in my mind the most was HMS Thetis which half-sank on trials (one end flooded and hit the seabed, the other end was still on the surface); it was possible to leave via an escape chamber but the chamber needed to be flooded to equalize pressure with the outside water, and only one person could use the chamber at a time. The first four men managed to get out, but the fifth panicked and drowned which left the chamber stuck half open and inoperative. There were still 99 people left in the submarine and they all suffocated to death.

The sub was salvaged and repaired (imagine being the ones to open that thing up...) and went into service in WWII where it was sank again with all hands lost. Incidentally a detail I hadn't read before (just rereading the wiki article) was when it sank the first time (a few months before the start of WWII) one of the letters of condolence received was from Hitler, lol.

Fuck me, thanks. Now I'm going to be reading about the HMS Thetis while I try to go to sleep tonight! Brutal. What a wanker.

apparently the company that made the joypad have taken it off the market

That isn't how these thing work. Uusually, subs have a ballast tank that they can blow out to rise quickly. If they were doing this simply, I suspect that they just have a heavy weight that they detach from. I don't know how deep this dive is but on the one for the Adriatic Trench, the vessel is shaped as it is because it takes way to long to dive slowly. The try to sink it as fast as possible to save air.

This had a small ballast that was attached with dissolvable clamps meaning they would have released automatically. If the catastrophe involved water getting inside (possible apparently) and power going out (almost definitely) then the weight with water inside would be too much and they wouldn't be able to reach positive buoyancy.

 

[LEWIS540]

Probably catch some flack for this but it's really hard for me to feel sorry for a group of rich people that were stupid enough to pay a quarter mill each to go to their death. As soon as I seen the inside of the tin can I'd have been out of there!

Also, hilarious how multiple countries joined together to search for these rich people. If it was 5 lower class people in that sub then we wouldn't have even heard about it.

Rant over, sorry boyz.

Yeah, like when those Thai kids got stuck in the cave or the Chilean miners got trapped underground.

I never heard about either of those.

 

[PBAC]

The Logitech F710 is a budget wireless PC gaming controller. There is no "top end" version.

well they're mostly around $30

 

[MicroBrew]

The family of Hamish Harding are mad the crew waited 8 hours to report the Titan missing.

In the past the Titan had lost contact for an hour or 2 so they would have assumed this was a similar case, but they should not have waited more than 2 hours to report. 8 hours was far too long.

 

[ralphc1]

The hull is built to withstand the pressure so I dont think it imploded.

They lost comms before they made the Wreckage. But I don't think they lost power as it takes 2 hours to get there if they lost power at 1.5 they could of just manually released the weights an floated up in a few hours.

Either they met a Giant Squid or something that fucked it up or they didn't lose power an decided keep going even no comms (thinking ot was maybe on the other end) an got stuck.

Either one plausible. We got no clue most the creatures over a mile down. And folks that been looking forward to something like I'm sure the passengers were can talk them selves I to all sorts of dumb shit.

It seems that the manual release was some form of hydraulic release. I would hope they used filled hydraulic cylinders to hold the latches closed with a valve inside that could release the pressure. That system could also incorporate the fail safe that would dissolve in seawater over time an release the pressure holding the latches closed.

About the implosion theory, if the submersive really imploded, wouldn't the someone be able to pick it up/hear it?

From what I understand the sub and the mothership had constant communication until the sub suddenly lost signal while it was descending.

I don’t know what they use to hear underwater stuff but the equipment seems sensetive enough to be able to hear an implosion no?

It didn't need to implode. All it needed to do was to develop a small leak and water would start spraying in, slowly increasing the pressure inside the vehicle and the volume of air inside would get smaller and smaller as the pressure inside the vessel increased.

All that shit is being funded regardless and has to be somewhere. It all has to be used to keep skills up etc.

The rule of the sea is you help if someone is in danger, regardless of how much money they have.

There is a difference between searching for someone at sea and the bottom of the sea. It's like climbing Mount Everest where climbers are told that once they are above 26,000 feet, they are in the Death Zone where nobody can help them.

The money being spent searching for a craft containing 5 people could be put to a better use either ferrying people in a safer vessel or preventing them sailing on overcrowded vessels.
Greece migrant boat disaster: More than 300 Pakistanis ...

I believe the reporter who went on a voyage last year, said they had scrubbers. I think this scenario would've happened a lot sooner without them. To me, that seems like standard stuff that even this crazy CEO wouldn't have skimped on.

I think the Carbon-dioxide scrubber thing (yes / no) will come up in the post-mortem of this incident and it'll be analyzed and reported.
I am sure they WILL find the vehicle sooner or later and bring it to the surface with the 5 deceased people inside. (unless it's imploded under massive pressure and then there'll be almost nothing left to examine).

Then there'll be a big investigation of causes / issues / failures / failure-to-install items, failure to test, structural materials failures, electrical systems failures, failure to have redundancy for critical systems.

The Ocean is unforgiving.
Space is also unforgiving.

Fuck about and find out.

It seems like there would have to be some system to handle the carbon dioxide in the sub. It can't be released outside of the sub at those pressures. We had to undergo confines space training and wear gas detectors to go inside large hydraulic system tanks to make repairs. It doesn't take long with one person inside a 1,500 gallon tank for the CO2 levels to set off the detector even with a 2 foot diameter port open in the side. We would run an air hose inside the tank to put air in opposite the opening to flush the carbon dioxide laden air out. Simply releasing more oxygen from pressurized tanks inside of a sealed pressure vessel won't get rid of the CO2 but it would increase the pressure in the vessel. At least in space the CO2 can be expelled into the vacuum of space.

 

[Sara]

The family of Hamish Harding are mad the crew waited 8 hours to report the Titan missing.

In the past the Titan had lost contact for an hour or 2 so they would have assumed this was a similar case, but they should not have waited more than 2 hours to report. 8 hours was far too long.

Yeah I’d be pissed too

 

[ralphc1]

I seems a French ROV has found a debris field near the Titanic. I assume on the sea floor.
10:50
BreakingDebris field found - US Coast Guard

A debris field has been discovered within the search area by an ROV near the Titanic, the US Coast Guard has just announced.

Experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.

We will bring you more details shortly.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464

 

[emefer]

An ROV has found a debris field in the search area.

 

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