I'm concentrating on Judo for now. Boxing is my go to striking alternative @ this time.
With that said, I'm really enjoying this thread. For the issue minor interest, for a compendium on kicking super. For the former, I think the issue here is over-talked out. OTOH, for expert levels I guess there could be divergence of opinion.
I found these two quotes very appropriate for thinking about one's striking training program. BTW, some excellent general boxing programs have been posted of late, one's I use when I go forward. So tnx to those members who contributed.
Sure, that tournament that in the most competitive division it was ruled by a thai and then an italian who kicks like a nak muay. Similar stuff happens in tourneys based around that ruleset, like Glory, for example. 70kg and downwards there's always a thai kicking the crap out of everybody, like Sittichai, Kaew or Petpanonrung.
Shit, sometimes they JUST kick and win fights...
Your statement about Muay Thai kicks follows from the demos on that roundhouse thread. I also enjoyed.
What this reflects is the emphasis or standard of Muay Thai of maximum physical effort into the technique. My question is that optimal;? as you purport here?
Yeah, man... Heavyweights can get away with technique that is less refined. Everybody with a functioning set of eyes can understand that. They're also generally less coordinated. It's just the way it is. If the K1 heavyweights kicked with better technique they would kick harder, no question about it. Doesn't mean they couldn't score a lot of KOs with their kicks. Heavyweights, you know?! Do you get it?
Follows along with my reply above. I see this as valued by muay Thai style. With MMA, which purports to be the best of all arts, physical strength is highly prized. I see this as bias.
Basic stuff to understand, but it seems that yourself being a heavyweight you have this uncontrollable need to justify your poor technique while downplaying better technique.
Goes for all arts, and us all.
What you mean by "fighting karate"? Are you talking about knockdown rules? Or those relatively new full contact karate tournaments fought in some kind of pit?
If the former:
If the latter: I don't have a link, but if it is what I think it is it's just the sloppiest shit I ever saw in my life. That's ok, though. As I also said, it's relatively new, maybe they'll improve with time.
I think you're trolling here, which is common on forums.
The first training point I get, is how the desire to participate in competition and show your stuff eclipses the preparation offered by the art. This is the cause of the Kyokushin fighters' fate. The Muay Thai on the other hand, is much better prepared. The Kyokushin guy just exposes himself with the way he stands.
I like the theme of MMA as a testing ground, however, the MMA like environment such as we see here is low quality physicality against physicality. Outcome assured.
As of now Muay Thai is the most developed full contact sport which involves kicking, thanks to many years of development and gigantic demographics. It's understandable that you don't understand technique (pretending to understand, on the other hand, is not) but If you can't understand that which I just stated, you're simply in denial. These are facts.
You've got some powerful examples, to be sure. Many of these posts, however, are commercials for the posters preferred style. You've got to get evenly matched opponents, as well as varied styles to come to your conclusive absolute.
I will say certain of the exhibitions I've watched here greatly support your argument.
Yes, I do invest most of my money in educating myself on regards that matter to me, and I also trained and trained with dozens of athletes from all kinds of backgrounds.
As of now, I think I provided enough information for whoever stumble upon this thread and is interested in understanding muay thai kicking and the context revolving around this, so you can continue your journey of self validation without my interference
I know the local boxing gym which I have talked about, the owner can have this tone. But he keeps it down. He's got a mellowed side. Interestingly enough, he's very down on MMA.
LOL...
NOPE, my 2nd Black belt was in TKD
tippy toe is subconscious reaching, everybody does it when they are REACHING HIGH
TKD PROPER FORM
# hes getting desperate
flat base foot round kicks REQUIRE hyper flexibility when going high
the "snap" kick of TKD is considerably less powerful but faster and more versatile than the muay thai round kick...they both use the same exact "change up/ crocodile kick"
the MMA HYBRID is the best type of round kick as it combines the best of both worlds
the power of MT plus the versatility speed and TDD of Karate/TKD
I love MMA because it takes what works and discards the rest*
The only thing I don't care for about your post is how MMA somehow takes the best. Ah, no, it tries to be rounded. That's what it does. And in doing so, often takes the worst. More often than not.
I don't watch much MMA, but a recent MMA fight that demonstrates my view is Whittaker's loss to Adesanya. Whittaker has been talked up to have all this long-term striking skill & 'high level' experience. Then a physically agile kickboxer in Adesanya trundles along and deposes him.
Otherwise, and with respect to the in-depth discussion, I think there is more than one way to skin the
flat foot vs. tippy toe cat. Legitimate uses for them both. Just as you intimate, no one-hard absolute rule.
