Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

[Sinister]

You disagree with me less than you realize. When a Leftist says to me to be environmentally aware while walking the streets of Edmonton, he is not talking about climate change; the environment he means for me to be aware of is natives. Harshandeep Singh worked with natives where they lived in Edmonton, and now he is dead. His poorness led him to this dangerous unarmed security job, and I wouldn't advise anyone with better options to take this risk for DEI virtue signalling.

"If I was a decision maker, I would pour resources into ensuring every child had access to quality education"
Residential schools? The reality is that the best shot for a native to access quality education is for that native to go to an off-reservation school where he is the racial minority. In Edmonton, this would be easiest realized by enrolling the reservation native in Catholic school. Chris Rock's parents had the same realization: The best education for him was at an off-ghetto school where he was the racial minority. The resources are already there for parents who care, but you can't make them care, and you can't force their kids into residential schools (Well maybe you can, but do you want to?).

In the history of Canada and the USA, an abundance of predominantly white Christian schools have provided the opportunities for people like Chris Rock. But what happens when your population is no longer predominantly white Christian through immigration and paying EBT per child? It's possible that a majority East Indian or Chinese population would improve things in Canada or the USA, but I think it is understandable that some people don't want to take the chance.

Chris Rock never went to Christian School. He went to public schools, he had the opportunity to go to an all white school because his Mother was a teacher. And he ended up dropping out of school altogether and getting a GED. His parents were ok with that because of the severe bullying he endured.

Probably not the best example.

 

[gatchaman]

Chris Rock never went to Christian School. He went to public schools, he had the opportunity to go to an all white school because his Mother was a teacher. And he ended up dropping out of school altogether and getting a GED. His parents were ok with that because of the severe bullying he endured.

Probably not the best example.

What was the majority religion of Chris Rock's classmates? If Christian then Chris Rock went to a Christian school. It works the same way for religion as it does for race. If you want to engage with me then you should try to be less dense.

 

[Sinister]

What was the majority religion of Chris Rock's classmates? If Christian then Chris Rock went to a Christian school. It works the same way for religion as it does for race. If you want to engage with me then you should try to be less dense.

He went to public secular schools. Dense is lying to make your point, or not knowing what you're talking about and then doubling-down when called out. He didnt go to a Christian school and he was harassed out of the kinds of schools you're saying parents who care send their kids to. If you're going to pick an example, dont pick one that's essentially the antithesis of your point.

 

[zapataxiv]

I've got Native blood in me, almost half of my heritage traces right here.

tbf for many uneducated they think native blood means your just a maoist that got lost on a land bridge.

im with you im half new-mexican the spanish side of my family arrived in mexico in 1590 and headed north to what is now near las vegas new mexico. the native side of my family wrre pueblo peoples who had an outpost mear the spanish settlement. over the years some banging turned into lots of banging and here we are today.

back to the topic of native origins. i often here people dispute the term "native", like just hearing it burns their ears. they say natives are "just Asians". but that reduction is folly. especially considering the time periods. originally peoole thought natves crossed the landbridge at the oldest age of 15000 bc. But then we keep finding evudence that points to older dates dates that are so old they rival or surpass neolithic farmers moving into britain (still not the ancestors of the majority of current britons).

we have been here just as long. so why is the collapse of the west so reviled, while the destruction of the americas is something they can justify? (or even restate as settling, when does settle require the burning of cities, monuments and cultures, but i digress)

 

[BoomStronk]

I'm so sorry on behalf of Europe.

It's literally all our fault.

It's bizarre how white Americans think they're any more "heritage American" than anyone else considering they aren't.

That said, I agree with @oldshadow, if you want to live in America and want to be American, then be American. That doesn't mean look a particular way, it doesn't mean worship a particular God, it doesn't mean read a certain set of books, and the white supremacists who think that should also... as it was so eloquently put... "fuck off".

That goes for all countries, really. Go, and work there and remain a foreigner if you like (but accept you're still a foreigner), or fully assimilate with the locals, be a good person, and enjoy time with your neighbours - that's the only way you can become part of the permanent fabric of society. Don't go somewhere and hate it, don't go somewhere and try to change it, and that goes for western idiots who go abroad and insist everything caters to them. Fuck that.

Easier said than done.

Cultures are dynamic and ever changing.

The concept of cultural American includes tension among the constituent cultural parts. You could say it's this tension itself that is the culture.

To insist that everyone come here and "be American" ab/or not complain about anything, is to say everyone should not be American at all unless you disagree that American history and culture are defined by cultural tension, reinvention, questioning pre existing beliefs and compromise.

Its very tempting to think of cultural traditions as unchanging icons, like artifacts behind glass in a museum, but that is simply not the case. To stretch the metaphor, culture is more like the conversations people are having about the artifacts, on the other side of the glass. Endlessly recursive, forever changing.

 

[nixkid]

The reason your ancestors immigrated to Canada from India is because white Christians built Canada up into a nice place while brown Hindus and Sikhs built India up into a shithole. You know this to be true because you have visited India and were depressed by the widespread poverty in India compared to Canada.

It definitely didn't have anything to do with 200 years of imperialism.

Prior to the British takeover, India had one of the largest economies in the world. It accounted for a quarter of the global economy. Of course, the British bled it dry for its own enrichment. That's how "white Christians built up" Western countries...by pillaging others. I guess there are some benefits to having an ultra violent culture where state violence and theft is viewed as acceptable.

 

[A_bomb47]

Sounds like another meaningless magic phrase to feel better about themselves because they don’t have anything else in their lives to be proud of. and I’m pretty confident that all those “Proud Heritage Americans” voted for a Non-Heritage one as their POTUS.

 

[gatchaman]

It definitely didn't have anything to do with 200 years of imperialism.

Prior to the British takeover, India had one of the largest economies in the world. It accounted for a quarter of the global economy. Of course, the British bled it dry for its own enrichment. That's how "white Christians built up" Western countries...by pillaging others. I guess there are some benefits to having an ultra violent culture where state violence and theft is viewed as acceptable.

If you had read the entire post instead of just the first paragraph, you would have gotten to this:
"My own view is that religious and ethnic culture are subject to Darwin's Laws of Natural Selection, and if those laws decree that East Indian culture triumphs over Chinese culture then so it will be, my preferences be damned."

The world isn't fair, and it's not your fault that you were a victim, but it is your fault that you remain a victim.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

It definitely didn't have anything to do with 200 years of imperialism.

Prior to the British takeover, India had one of the largest economies in the world. It accounted for a quarter of the global economy. Of course, the British bled it dry for its own enrichment. That's how "white Christians built up" Western countries...by pillaging others. I guess there are some benefits to having an ultra violent culture where state violence and theft is viewed as acceptable.

There wasn't a unified India.

 

[freakroor]

. they named america after my great great great grandmother, Erica.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

There wasn't a unified native American nation either. I am direct descendant of Parker. The native Americans were constantly killing, butchering, enslaving each other. That's why they never evolved technology and could barely build canoes meanwhile in Egypt 3000 years before you had sail ships that could tack.
There was no unified India either. To say the Brits drained something that didn't exist dry is laughable.

 

[nixkid]

If you had read the entire post instead of just the first paragraph, you would have gotten to this:
"My own view is that religious and ethnic culture are subject to Darwin's Laws of Natural Selection, and if those laws decree that East Indian culture triumphs over Chinese culture then so it will be, my preferences be damned."

The world isn't fair, and it's not your fault that you were a victim, but it is your fault that you remain a victim.

There is a special type of idiocy required to proclaim that a culture never built anything after your ancestors destroyed it.

There wasn't a unified India.

Mughal Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

There is a special type of idiocy required to proclaim that a culture never built anything after your ancestors destroyed it.

Mughal Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I can't tell if you are arguing with me or agreeing.
Thanks for backing my point I guess.

 

[gatchaman]

There is a special type of idiocy required to proclaim that a culture never built anything after your ancestors destroyed it.

Mughal Empire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"We was kangz." doesn't sound any more impressive from East Indians than it does from Africans.

You don't know about my ancestors, so take your guilt trip and shove it.

Wait a minute, I want to pretend to know about your ancestors too: Your ancestors would be ashamed to see you play victim for what happened to them.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

"We was kangz." doesn't sound any more impressive from East Indians than it does from Africans.

You don't know about my ancestors, so take your guilt trip and shove it.

Wait a minute, I want to pretend to know about your ancestors too: Your ancestors would be ashamed to see you play victim for what happened to them.

But Kenya is 250000 year old country bro. Thr descendants still live there and keep some of the culture. They was kangz. (I'm joking)

 

[nixkid]

I can't tell if you are arguing with me or agreeing.
Thanks for backing my point I guess.

I'm saying the Mughal Empire ruled the majority of Indian subcontinent. It was fairly close to a unified India.

 

[nixkid]

"We was kangz." doesn't sound any more impressive from East Indians than it does from Africans.

You don't know about my ancestors, so take your guilt trip and shove it.

Wait a minute, I want to pretend to know about your ancestors too: Your ancestors would be ashamed to see you play victim for what happened to them.

So you want to take credit for the fruits of colonization without owning the atrocities. But you're right about one thing. You personally have contributed next to nothing to Western Civilization and you probably come from a long line of similarly useless people. You just happened to be born a white guy in a western country.

 

[johnsmithjohnson]

I'm saying the Mughal Empire ruled the majority of Indian subcontinent. It was fairly close to a unified India.

You can play semantics all you want. It wasn't a unified India. It did not exist. we both know it was a giant fucked up series of fiefdoms all randomly killing each other, starving eSch other, enslaving each other with that caste system bullshit at times because of religious arguments made thousands of years before.
The amount nonsense I have heard about China and india that is completely bullshit would stun you.
I like Indian Americans and asian Americans because they were smart enough to leave those bullshit barrels full of crabs.

 

[gatchaman]

So you want to take credit for the fruits of colonization without owning the atrocities. But you're right about one thing. You personally have contributed next to nothing to Western Civilization and you probably come from a long line of similarly useless people. You just happened to be born a white guy in a western country.

I contributed next to nothing to Western Civilization (Whoops, I guess you were wrong about me taking credit.), but it contributed plenty to me, and it contributed plenty to my Chinese immigrant wife too, without her even being born a white guy here. She was plenty impressive already before she even met me. I attribute her success to working hard instead of pretending to be a victim of the Great Leap Forward or the Opium Wars.

 

[KaNesDeath]

This explains the blatantly racist thread that was created last night.