Social Thoughts on "Heritage" Americans/Canadians?

[Blastbeat]

I think it's cool that people can trace their history back to the Pilgrims and early settlers. They should be proud of that.
But I don't think it means they're inherently more American than someone who just got their citizenship - it's about the idea and belief in America and what it stands for. Or should stand for. And anyone who can get behind that can be American.

 

[Hog-train]

If you want to have Heritage Americans, I'd put Foundational Black Americans as part of that list. Maybe even Chinese who helped build the railroads.

All those groups have been here long enough.

 

[Dobymick]

How is the hypothetical guy Chinese if he's from San Francisco?

People can have dual nationality based off heritage and place of birth.

Jus Solis and Jus Sanguine which is an old Italian/Rome concept to which countries choose from to decide how would you grant nationality. If it is determined by the place of birth it's Jus Solis and if it's from heritage/blood then it's Jus Sanguine. In practice all countries can give nationality based on heritage if it's needed but not all countries accept by place of birth

The US gives nationality based off place of birth. China gives their nationality based off chinese heritage.

So a chinese born in America will be american but also chinese if he asks the chinese government. But if an American couple go to China and have a child there the kid will not be chinese. And to be considered ameican the parents will have to request the child to have an American nationality based off his father is american. And yes it must be the father

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

My roots go back to Ethan Allen before he became a furniture magnate.
He and the green mountain boys captured Fort Ticonderoga from the British without firing a shot.
I read that he was a contentious asshole, which makes the supposed heritage that much more credible.

 

[pinger]

r ppl still facing bamboozles from wasp elites

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I recently watched a fascinating segment on the concept of "Heritage Americans" - a term used to to describe people who trace their roots to the founding generations or descend from cultures that are predominantly white and Christian (the "original" settlers of the United States).

In a nutshell, if you weren't white and Christian, you could never truly be American (or Canadian). There was a funny section of the video that described social medias response to Kash Patel when he wished people "Happy Diwali". People told him to go back to India and worship his sand gods, despite the fact that Kash was born and raised in the United States.

I have encountered something similar (although not with a racist intent). When people ask me where I am from, it is never good enough to say "Canada". The follow up question is always "Where are you really from (lineage)?", despite the fact that I was born in Toronto. I am also acutely aware that I will always belong as an "Other" in Canada - I used to do a lot of research in rural northern communities, and I was always viewed differently because of my skin color. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it felt like there was a performative aspect to prove that I was "one of the good ones", because I spoke like them and shared similar values/interests.

I was curious to get people's thoughts on how they feel about the concept of "Heritage American". Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska?

The answer is yes; a Buddhist of Chinese lineage born in America is an American.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Posting in white people bad thread.

 

[nostradumbass]

People can have dual nationality based off heritage and place of birth.

Jus Solis and Jus Sanguine which is an old Italian/Rome concept to which countries choose from to decide how would you grant nationality. If it is determined by the place of birth it's Jus Solis and if it's from heritage/blood then it's Jus Sanguine. In practice all countries can give nationality based on heritage if it's needed but not all countries accept by place of birth

The US gives nationality based off place of birth. China gives their nationality based off chinese heritage.

So a chinese born in America will be american but also chinese if he asks the chinese government. But if an American couple go to China and have a child there the kid will not be chinese. And to be considered ameican the parents will have to request the child to have an American nationality based off his father is american. And yes it must be the father

Then answer for the hypothetical Chinese guy with dual citizenship from a culturally Chinese household in San Francisco is that he is less American than the other hypothetical person from Nebraska in a household with American parents and no other national loyalties.

 

[fingercuffs]

Is Trump a "heritage American"? His mother was an immigrant and his father's side were relatively recent German immigrants (post Civil War)

Is Obama a "heritage American"? His mother's side traces their American heritage all the way back to English settlers in Plymouth.

Ahem, his grandfather fled to the US to avoid the draft, tried to go back to Germany and got booted back here.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

Then answer for the hypothetical Chinese guy with dual citizenship from a culturally Chinese household in San Francisco is that he is less American than the other hypothetical person from Nebraska in a household with American parents and no other national loyalties.

This gets to the root of my question - I think in most people's minds, there is a spectrum of what constitutes national identity - much of which is influenced by race, religion and culture.

To some people, I am less Canadian than others by virtue of who I am (Guyanese descent, brown and Hindu (by birth)). That isn't to say that I am treated worse for those reasons, but I have found that I to prove my Canadianness to some people. In multiple instances, I have been called "One of the good ones" (referring to immigrants as a whole). I live in a city which is 60% foreign born, many of which who refuse to learn the language or assimilate - Brampton has a horrible reputation, even internationally. However, because my family assimilated and I embraced my Canadian identity, white Canadians don't seem to have any issues with me and we often commiserate about the city going down the drain.

A part of me is irked that I even have to do this - I was born here, I contribute to the community and I pledge allegiance to Canada... That should be enough. However, another part of me also understands to a degree.

 

[nhbbear]

I find people’s heritage very interesting. I actually put some study into it when I was a young cop just out of boredom. I had a book that had descriptions of countries/regions and had particular facial features or common traits. I was doing fairly good at it for a while, but pretty much gave up when it came to to the Asians-I couldn’t tell Chinese from Korean vs Japanese-I had a better shot with Japanese from my time with pride, but again, this was just something to do when I had a partner that would go into 7-11 for coffee and not come out for over half an hour because he just loved to bullshit with the clerks.

Having partners like that sucks in the beginning because you can’t get into anything fun or find some criminals because they’re lazy af-but I did get to read a lot of books and when the time came during my second year to study for my first promotional exam-I fucking aced it and jumped over 8 guys for the rank of patrolman first class.

 

[VinceArch]

I've got Native blood in me, almost half of my heritage traces right here.

 

[nostradumbass]

This gets to the root of my question - I think in most people's minds, there is a spectrum of what constitutes national identity - much of which is influenced by race, religion and culture.

To some people, I am less Canadian than others by virtue of who I am (Guyanese descent, brown and Hindu (by birth)). That isn't to say that I am treated worse for those reasons, but I have found that I to prove my Canadianness to some people. In multiple instances, I have been called "One of the good ones" (referring to immigrants as a whole). I live in a city which is 60% foreign born, many of which who refuse to learn the language or assimilate - Brampton has a horrible reputation, even internationally. However, because my family assimilated and I embraced my Canadian identity, white Canadians don't seem to have any issues with me and we often commiserate about the city going down the drain.

A part of me is irked that I even have to do this - I was born here, I contribute to the community and I pledge allegiance to Canada... That should be enough. However, another part of me also understands to a degree.

Well that's because it isn't the white and Christian part that would make someone less American(or Canadian) nor is it even an insult to say that someone with dual citizenship is less American that someone who is only American, the same way a half sibling is less related to you than full siblings, even though both are related to you. You can like the half sibling better than your real siblings, but they're still less related to you than the ones you don't like as much.

Just take your own country or nationality out of it for a minute and pick a random person with a similar situation in a different country. Do you consider Alexander Zverev just as German as Til Schweiger before he moved out of Germany, or does having 2 Russian parents, a Russian name, a Russian nickname, speaks Russian with his family, but considers himself German make him mostly German but still a little bit Russian?

I have plenty of friends whom I consider "less American" than people with 2 American parents. I like them better than plenty of people who are completely American and have nothing else you could even partially consider them, but they are still not quite as American as someone with 2 American parents.

Assuming both your parents are from Guyana, you might be a little bit "less Canadian" than someone with 2 Canadian parents, but your kids would be completely Canadian even though they would still be nonwhite or half white or half black, depending on who their mom is.

 

[gatchaman]

double

 

[gatchaman]

I recently watched a fascinating segment on the concept of "Heritage Americans" - a term used to to describe people who trace their roots to the founding generations or descend from cultures that are predominantly white and Christian (the "original" settlers of the United States).

In a nutshell, if you weren't white and Christian, you could never truly be American (or Canadian). There was a funny section of the video that described social medias response to Kash Patel when he wished people "Happy Diwali". People told him to go back to India and worship his sand gods, despite the fact that Kash was born and raised in the United States.

I have encountered something similar (although not with a racist intent). When people ask me where I am from, it is never good enough to say "Canada". The follow up question is always "Where are you really from (lineage)?", despite the fact that I was born in Toronto. I am also acutely aware that I will always belong as an "Other" in Canada - I used to do a lot of research in rural northern communities, and I was always viewed differently because of my skin color. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it felt like there was a performative aspect to prove that I was "one of the good ones", because I spoke like them and shared similar values/interests.

I was curious to get people's thoughts on how they feel about the concept of "Heritage American". Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska?

The reason your ancestors immigrated to Canada from India is because white Christians built Canada up into a nice place while brown Hindus and Sikhs built India up into a shithole. You know this to be true because you have visited India and were depressed by the widespread poverty in India compared to Canada.

Immigration to Canada, for over a hundred years, has been overwhelmingly from white European countries (There were even quotas to keep others out), but that situation has changed in the last 15 years. Now most of the immigration to Canada is from India. Some people are justifiably worried that if Canada becomes majority East Indian then Canada will start to look less like the white Christian paradise that your ancestors immigrated to and more like the brown Hindu and Sikh shithole that your ancestors emigrated from. This worrisome outcome is sometimes referred to as: White genocide.


When Kash Patel says, "Happy Diwali" he is identifying with his East Indian roots. He is pandering for support (I'm speculating here, but I think Patel says, "Happy Diwali." like he says, "See you in Valhalla.") from people who look like him. East Indian immigrants are encouraged to identify with their Sikh and Hindu roots, to play identity politics. If the immigrant has the right cocktail of exotic identities, he might even be hired over a more experienced applicant, based on affirmative action (or based on lower expected salary), now called diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). I would have to write an essay affirming my loyalty to DEI if I were to apply to work at a university in Canada similar to yours.

But identity politics can be wielded for self-advantage only if your identity is other than white male heterosexual Christian. Gay Pride is good and Brown Pride is good and Black Pride is good, but White Pride is bad and racist. Whites are taught in school that their identity is of genocidal colonizers, slave owners, and holocaust perpetrators, even if their direct ancestors did none of these things.

I'm white, and both white and non-white people ask me about my lineage. I've even been discriminated against for being white. I used to live in an apartment near Ryerson, and some East Indian chicks (who likely learned about my major, and yes, I'm basing this on a stereotype alone. It's a stereotype that you know is earned. Have you ever been rejected as a suitor by an East Indian family for not having high enough status?) invited me over under ostensibly to borrow a utensil, but really to set me up with one of their friends. Some East Indian guys arrived and asked me to leave even though they were just guests like me, so I left. I once went on a date with an attractive black woman to the Guvernment, and some blacks tried to stir up outrage that I did not belong there, so I never went back to the Guvernment. My elderly parents got pushed out of the way at Caribana because they didn't belong there, so they didn't go to back to Caribana. My nephew got jumped at a party by a group of black guys for arriving with an attractive black girl. I passed by a Jewish dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I wasn't invited in. I passed by a Chinese dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I was invited in. On that day, I became a Chinese supremacist, and I ended up marrying a Chinese woman.

I never made a thread about these personal experiences, and I am only mentioning them now because you did first. I don't hold a grudge against Blacks and East Indians; in fact, they are presently my favorite co-workers. You feel like others expect of you to prove that, in spite of your brown skin, you do not fit a brown stereotype, this stereotype:

I have received the Nazi salute from people who knew my lineage, even though my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp for being a communist. I don't hold a grudge against such people. In fact, often I am such a person. I think that avoiding situations, were one is outnumbered/outweaponed by Native Indians, is a survival skill in Edmonton because stereotypes are earned. I learned that stereotype the hard way and lived. Harshandeep Singh learned that stereotype the hard way and died (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Harshandeep_Singh). Brown Edmontonians also have earned stereotypes like more likely to run arson extortion schemes and more likely to grope a girl at West Edmonton Mall Waterpark. I've even encountered floor poop at a fancy restaurant in Chestermere, a rich (almost every house goes for well in excess of a million dollars) majority brown neighbourhood near Calgary. I won't post it here, but active Canadian Starbucks floor pooping has been posted elsewhere on the Internet.

Now to your question: Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska? I would answer yes, but I think no is okay too. How would you like the Canadian population to go from 40M to 100M in the next 10 years with the increase being entirely immigrants from India? Is it unreasonable to want to slow things down because the floor poop situation may become too uncomfortable? Maybe this would make you uncomfortable too, but what about Vivek Ramaswamy? Is it racist to not want Ramaswamy as POTUS because of his suspected position on this scenario? I think the Right Wing "civil war" in America in the USA boils down to two sides:
1) DEI should be abolished for everyone, and there should be a return to merit-based decision making.
2) The people above are idiots because DEI, even if it is officially abolished, will still exist at East Indian apartment parties and Jewish dinners as I have outlined above. The better position is to acknowledge that you should take your own side. Christian dinners are as okay as Jewish dinners. White Pride is as okay as Black Pride. In group preference does not make you a racist, just because you happen to be white heterosexual Christian.

My own view is that religious and ethnic culture are subject to Darwin's Laws of Natural Selection, and if those laws decree that East Indian culture triumphs over Chinese culture then so it will be, my preferences be damned. What do you think?:
1) DEI good for everyone except White Christian Pride bad (The Left Wing view and the Ben Shapiro actual view)
2) DEI bad for everyone (The Tucker Carlson view and the Ben Shapiro insincere view)
3) DEI good for everyone and White Christian Pride good (The Nick Fuentes view)

I've made a book of a post, but if you want to hear more, Nick Fuentes delved into this exact topic far more eloquently than I have in his last show (The show starts at 1h52):

https://rumble.com/v73eh0m-america-first-ep.-1617.html

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

This gets to the root of my question - I think in most people's minds, there is a spectrum of what constitutes national identity - much of which is influenced by race, religion and culture.

To some people, I am less Canadian than others by virtue of who I am (Guyanese descent, brown and Hindu (by birth)). That isn't to say that I am treated worse for those reasons, but I have found that I to prove my Canadianness to some people. In multiple instances, I have been called "One of the good ones" (referring to immigrants as a whole). I live in a city which is 60% foreign born, many of which who refuse to learn the language or assimilate - Brampton has a horrible reputation, even internationally. However, because my family assimilated and I embraced my Canadian identity, white Canadians don't seem to have any issues with me and we often commiserate about the city going down the drain.

A part of me is irked that I even have to do this - I was born here, I contribute to the community and I pledge allegiance to Canada... That should be enough. However, another part of me also understands to a degree.

I’ve read some demographic studies that suggest by the year 2100 Canada will have a population anywhere from 80 million to 110 million and will be 60-70% South Asian. So maybe by then there won’t any longer be any conceptions about being “Canadian” for people of Indian descent.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

The reason your ancestors immigrated to Canada from India is because white Christians built Canada up into a nice place while brown Hindus and Sikhs built India up into a shithole. You know this to be true because you have visited India and were depressed by the widespread poverty in India compared to Canada.

Immigration to Canada, for over a hundred years, has been overwhelmingly from white European countries (There were even quotas to keep others out), but that situation has changed in the last 15 years. Now most of the immigration to Canada is from India. Some people are justifiably worried that if Canada becomes majority East Indian then Canada will start to look less like the white Christian paradise that your ancestors immigrated to and more like the brown Hindu and Sikh shithole that your ancestors emigrated from. This worrisome outcome is sometimes referred to as: White genocide.


When Kash Patel says, "Happy Diwali" he is identifying with his East Indian roots. He is pandering for support (I'm speculating here, but I think Patel says, "Happy Diwali." like he says, "See you in Valhalla.") from people who look like him. East Indian immigrants are encouraged to identify with their Sikh and Hindu roots, to play identity politics. If the immigrant has the right cocktail of exotic identities, he might even be hired over a more experienced applicant, based on affirmative action (or based on lower expected salary), now called diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). I would have to write an essay affirming my loyalty to DEI if I were to apply to work at a university in Canada similar to yours.

But identify politics can be wielded for self-advantage only if your identity is other than white male heterosexual Christian. Gay Pride is good and Brown Pride is good and Black Pride is good, but White Pride is bad and racist. Whites are taught in school that their identity is of genocidal colonizers, slaver owners, and holocaust perpetrators, even if their direct ancestors did none of these things.

I'm white, and both white and non-white people ask me about my lineage. I've even been discriminated against for being white. I used to live an apartment near Ryerson, and some East Indian chicks (who likely learned about my major, and yes, I'm basing this on a stereotype alone. It's a stereotype that you know is earned. Have you ever been rejected as a suitor by an East Indian family for not having high enough status?) invited me over under ostensibly to borrow a utensil, but really to set me up with one of their friends. Some East Indian guys arrived and asked me to leave even though they were just guests like me, so I left. I once went on a date with an attractive black woman to the Guvernment, and some blacks tried to stir up outrage that I did not belong there, so I never went back to the Guvernment. My elderly parents got pushed out of the way at Caribana because they didn't belong there, so they didn't go to back to Caribana. My nephew got jumped at a party by a group of black guys for arriving with an attractive black girl. I passed by a Jewish dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I wasn't invited in. I passed by a Chinese dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I was invited in. On that day, I became a Chinese supremacist, and I ended up marrying a Chinese woman.

I never made a thread about these personal experiences, and I am only mentioning them now because you did first. I don't hold a grudge against Blacks and East Indians; in fact, they are presently my favorite co-workers. You feel like others expect of you to prove that, in spite of your brown skin, you do not fit a brown stereotype, this stereotype:

I have received the Nazi salute from people who knew my lineage, even though my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp for being a communist. I don't hold a grudge against such people. In fact, often I am such a person. I think that avoiding situations, were one is outnumbered/outweaponed by Native Indians, is a survival skill in Edmonton because stereotypes are earned. I learned that stereotype the hard way and lived. Harshandeep Singh learned that stereotype the hard way and died (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Harshandeep_Singh). Brown Edmontonians also have earned stereotypes like more likely to run arson extortion schemes and more likely to grope a girl at West Edmonton Mall Waterpark. I've even encountered floor poop at a fancy restaurant in Chestermere, a rich (almost every house goes for well in excess of a million dollars) majority brown neighbourhood near Calgary. I won't post it here, but active Canadian Starbucks floor pooping has been posted elsewhere on the Internet.

Now to your question: Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska? I would answer yes, but I think no is okay too. How would you like the Canadian population to go from 40M to 100M in the next 10 years with the increase being entirely immigrants from India? Is it unreasonable to want to slow things down because the floor poop situation may become too uncomfortable? Maybe this would make you uncomfortable, but what about Vivek Ramaswamy? Is it racist to not want Ramaswamy as POTUS because of his suspected position on this scenario? I think the Right Wing "civil war" in America in the USA boils down to two sides:
1) DEI should be abolished for everyone, and there should be a return to merit-based decision making.
2) The people above are idiots because DEI, even if it is officially abolished, will still exist at East Indian apartment parties and Jewish dinners as I have outlined above. The better position is to acknowledge that you should take your own side. Christian dinners are as okay as Jewish dinners. White Pride is as okay as Black Pride. In group preference does not make you a racist, just because you happen to be white heterosexual Christian.

My own view is that religious and ethnic culture are subject to Darwin's Laws of Natural Selection, and if those laws decree that East Indian culture triumphs over Chinese culture then so it will be, my preferences be damned. What do you think?:
1) DEI good for everyone except White Christian Pride bad (The Left Wing view and the Ben Shapiro actual view)
2) DEI bad for everyone (The Tucker Carlson view and the Ben Shapiro insincere view)
3) DEI good for everyone and White Christian Pride good (The Nick Fuentes view)

I've made a book of a post, but if you want to hear more, Nick Fuentes delved into this exact topic far more eloquently than I have in his last show (The show starts at 1h52):

https://rumble.com/v73eh0m-america-first-ep.-1617.html

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you posted, I genuinely appreciate your openness and honesty. An honest and respectful dialogue can be had, even when two people don't see eye to eye.

Regarding DEI, I am vehemently opposed and advocate for meritocracy. I don't want a handout, I want a fair shot based on my qualifications and experience.

I do however feel there are structural failures that disadvantage some groups (I have worked extensively in indigenous communities, and the system is broken from top to bottom).

If I was a decision maker, I would pour resources into ensuring every child had access to quality education and resources to support their development. You don't fix something by giving people a handout, you give them equal opportunity and then let the cream rise to the top.

 

[Sinister]

The reason your ancestors immigrated to Canada from India is because white Christians built Canada up into a nice place while brown Hindus and Sikhs built India up into a shithole. You know this to be true because you have visited India and were depressed by the widespread poverty in India compared to Canada.

Immigration to Canada, for over a hundred years, has been overwhelmingly from white European countries (There were even quotas to keep others out), but that situation has changed in the last 15 years. Now most of the immigration to Canada is from India. Some people are justifiably worried that if Canada becomes majority East Indian then Canada will start to look less like the white Christian paradise that your ancestors immigrated to and more like the brown Hindu and Sikh shithole that your ancestors emigrated from. This worrisome outcome is sometimes referred to as: White genocide.


When Kash Patel says, "Happy Diwali" he is identifying with his East Indian roots. He is pandering for support (I'm speculating here, but I think Patel says, "Happy Diwali." like he says, "See you in Valhalla.") from people who look like him. East Indian immigrants are encouraged to identify with their Sikh and Hindu roots, to play identity politics. If the immigrant has the right cocktail of exotic identities, he might even be hired over a more experienced applicant, based on affirmative action (or based on lower expected salary), now called diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). I would have to write an essay affirming my loyalty to DEI if I were to apply to work at a university in Canada similar to yours.

But identify politics can be wielded for self-advantage only if your identity is other than white male heterosexual Christian. Gay Pride is good and Brown Pride is good and Black Pride is good, but White Pride is bad and racist. Whites are taught in school that their identity is of genocidal colonizers, slaver owners, and holocaust perpetrators, even if their direct ancestors did none of these things.

I'm white, and both white and non-white people ask me about my lineage. I've even been discriminated against for being white. I used to live an apartment near Ryerson, and some East Indian chicks (who likely learned about my major, and yes, I'm basing this on a stereotype alone. It's a stereotype that you know is earned. Have you ever been rejected as a suitor by an East Indian family for not having high enough status?) invited me over under ostensibly to borrow a utensil, but really to set me up with one of their friends. Some East Indian guys arrived and asked me to leave even though they were just guests like me, so I left. I once went on a date with an attractive black woman to the Guvernment, and some blacks tried to stir up outrage that I did not belong there, so I never went back to the Guvernment. My elderly parents got pushed out of the way at Caribana because they didn't belong there, so they didn't go to back to Caribana. My nephew got jumped at a party by a group of black guys for arriving with an attractive black girl. I passed by a Jewish dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I wasn't invited in. I passed by a Chinese dinner of my university classmates; when I was spotted by an attendee in the hallway, I was invited in. On that day, I became a Chinese supremacist, and I ended up marrying a Chinese woman.

I never made a thread about these personal experiences, and I am only mentioning them now because you did first. I don't hold a grudge against Blacks and East Indians; in fact, they are presently my favorite co-workers. You feel like others expect of you to prove that, in spite of your brown skin, you do not fit a brown stereotype, this stereotype:

I have received the Nazi salute from people who knew my lineage, even though my grandfather was killed in a concentration camp for being a communist. I don't hold a grudge against such people. In fact, often I am such a person. I think that avoiding situations, were one is outnumbered/outweaponed by Native Indians, is a survival skill in Edmonton because stereotypes are earned. I learned that stereotype the hard way and lived. Harshandeep Singh learned that stereotype the hard way and died (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Harshandeep_Singh). Brown Edmontonians also have earned stereotypes like more likely to run arson extortion schemes and more likely to grope a girl at West Edmonton Mall Waterpark. I've even encountered floor poop at a fancy restaurant in Chestermere, a rich (almost every house goes for well in excess of a million dollars) majority brown neighbourhood near Calgary. I won't post it here, but active Canadian Starbucks floor pooping has been posted elsewhere on the Internet.

Now to your question: Is a Buddhist Chinese guy from San Francisco as American as a anglo-white church goer from Nebraska? I would answer yes, but I think no is okay too. How would you like the Canadian population to go from 40M to 100M in the next 10 years with the increase being entirely immigrants from India? Is it unreasonable to want to slow things down because the floor poop situation may become too uncomfortable? Maybe this would make you uncomfortable, but what about Vivek Ramaswamy? Is it racist to not want Ramaswamy as POTUS because of his suspected position on this scenario? I think the Right Wing "civil war" in America in the USA boils down to two sides:
1) DEI should be abolished for everyone, and there should be a return to merit-based decision making.
2) The people above are idiots because DEI, even if it is officially abolished, will still exist at East Indian apartment parties and Jewish dinners as I have outlined above. The better position is to acknowledge that you should take your own side. Christian dinners are as okay as Jewish dinners. White Pride is as okay as Black Pride. In group preference does not make you a racist, just because you happen to be white heterosexual Christian.

My own view is that religious and ethnic culture are subject to Darwin's Laws of Natural Selection, and if those laws decree that East Indian culture triumphs over Chinese culture then so it will be, my preferences be damned. What do you think?:
1) DEI good for everyone except White Christian Pride bad (The Left Wing view and the Ben Shapiro actual view)
2) DEI bad for everyone (The Tucker Carlson view and the Ben Shapiro insincere view)
3) DEI good for everyone and White Christian Pride good (The Nick Fuentes view)

I've made a book of a post, but if you want to hear more, Nick Fuentes delved into this exact topic far more eloquently than I have in his last show (The show starts at 1h52):

https://rumble.com/v73eh0m-america-first-ep.-1617.html

Man stop listening to D*ck Fuentes.

 

[Sinister]

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you posted, I genuinely appreciate your openness and honesty. An honest and respectful dialogue can be had, even when two people don't see eye to eye.

Regarding DEI, I am vehemently opposed and advocate for meritocracy. I don't want a handout, I want a fair shot based on my qualifications and experience.

I do however feel there are structural failures that disadvantage some groups (I have worked extensively in indigenous communities, and the system is broken from top to bottom).

If I was a decision maker, I would pour resources into ensuring every child had access to quality education and resources to support their development. You don't fix something by giving people a handout, you give them equal opportunity and then let the cream rise to the top.

There cannot be any such thing as meritocracy in socio-economic environments that enshrined discriminatory practices against out-groups, whose History is a mythology where the creators of these systems are portrayed as benevolent and people are only ever questioning what their ACTUAL intent was, rather than grappling with the fact that their ideas mignt have been purposely exclusionary. This is true of both the US and Canada. Exclusionary behavior, such as systemically regarding people like you as being "not AS Canadian" is not a misfortune that was corrupted by later people, it was built-in to protect the people in power and their proginy from ever losing it. I mean, the US is currently systemically removing brown people, and we have a Supreme Court Justice who essentially ruled that racial profiling in this effort is "common sense."

 

[gatchaman]

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you posted, I genuinely appreciate your openness and honesty. An honest and respectful dialogue can be had, even when two people don't see eye to eye.

Regarding DEI, I am vehemently opposed and advocate for meritocracy. I don't want a handout, I want a fair shot based on my qualifications and experience.

I do however feel there are structural failures that disadvantage some groups (I have worked extensively in indigenous communities, and the system is broken from top to bottom).

If I was a decision maker, I would pour resources into ensuring every child had access to quality education and resources to support their development. You don't fix something by giving people a handout, you give them equal opportunity and then let the cream rise to the top.

You disagree with me less than you realize. When a Leftist says to me to be environmentally aware while walking the streets of Edmonton, he is not talking about climate change; the environment he means for me to be aware of is natives. Harshandeep Singh worked with natives where they lived in Edmonton, and now he is dead. His poorness led him to this dangerous unarmed security job, and I wouldn't advise anyone with better options to take this risk for DEI virtue signalling.

"If I was a decision maker, I would pour resources into ensuring every child had access to quality education"
Residential schools? The reality is that the best shot for a native to access quality education is for that native to go to an off-reservation school where he is the racial minority. In Edmonton, this would be easiest realized by enrolling the reservation native in Catholic school. Chris Rock's parents had the same realization: The best education for him was at an off-ghetto school where he was the racial minority. The resources are already there for parents who care, but you can't make them care, and you can't force their kids into residential schools (Well maybe you can, but do you want to?).

In the history of Canada and the USA, an abundance of predominantly white Christian schools have provided the opportunities for people like Chris Rock. But what happens when your population is no longer predominantly white Christian through immigration and paying EBT per child? It's possible that a majority East Indian or Chinese population would improve things in Canada or the USA, but I think it is understandable that some people don't want to take the chance.