This recent sad news with Cain is just more evidence why Fedor will never be surpassed

mjfan23 said:
Then testing came around and he can't even finish bisping or Diaz (while on roids)
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Right, when he was in the back half of his 30's coming off one of the worst injuries I've ever seen.
 
bad seed said:
do people forget that he was barely training at that time? He was brainwashed by his sorceror to leave everything in "God's hands" and turned into a pudgy brawler. It was evident even in his wins against Sylvia and Arlovski. The PRIDE Fedor would have beaten every HW who ever stepped into the octagon.
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Barely training is his fault
 
seiger said:
lineal title defenses at hw means a little more than conor style fuckeries.
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This thread is about Fedor. Why bring Conor into it? Why is everything about Conor?

You are obsessed with him. Please seek professional healp.
 
Klippy said:
People making excuses for his losses.. smh. A loss is a loss. The guy fought some cans and beat only a handful of good fighters whom are no where near the top10 today. People are just really emotionally attached to this guy. What's his best win btw?
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Wait fighters who are now in their late 30s to early 50s are no longer elite athletes? Shocking in other sports athletes remain dominant till their early 60s at least
 
Cold Front said:
Dude, when Fedor was in his long multi-year prime, Overeem would've been a clear step down in competition. Rua, Little Nog, Liddell, and Arona were all finishing Overeem in the weight division lower than where Fedor was crushing killa competition.
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A step down from Zulu?

Jesus it's hilarious how both sides of this argument come off as idiots because of their inabilities to remain objective.

Fedor clearly is the greatest Hw ever and dominated a stacked Pride HW division. He beat multiple elite fighters and anyone comparing Couture who fought in the shit UFC HW division is a fucking tard

He also clearly has had his legacy tarnished by the fact he fought a ton of cans and started to choose his opponents very carefully once he became champ(this started with Crocop who many thought he was fucking before they fought). The last 6 or 7 years of his career are marred by his advisors politics, poor decisions and underwhelming in cage performances.

Still that doesn't change the fact that the version of Fedor we saw in Pride is the closest thing we've ever seen to Mike Tyson in mma
 
Why do people have to create threads about to Fedor to remind themselves of his position in MMA history.
 
Fedor is the GOAT heavyweight no doubt.
 
If someone stayed in an org like Bellator for ten years they could do it. Or if Rizin used Pride lopsided matchmaking.
 
dont forget combat sambo championships too. the dude fought a lot. it is really amazing how he could do it for so long.
 
Dirge said:
No... I expect they all were. And of the guys you listed, Big Nog and Crocrop at the time were elite although very one dimensional. Big Nog has barely average standup and still can't defend a takedown. He spent the majority of his time fighting Fedor on his back. Crocrop had a decent sprawl but again zero ground game and spent a good portion of the fight on his back. When Fedor fought the rest they were either B fighters (like Sobral and Herring), past their prime (Coleman was 40 when they fought) or simply not very good (Arlovski and Sylvia). Arona was a middleweight with 2 fights to his name when he fought Fedor. Hunt had zero TDD and zero ground game when he fought Fedor. If they fought today, I'd take Hunt every time.
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-Nog never wanted to stop a takedown. That's like making fun of Demian Maia's takedown defense. You're pretty much retarded if you take them down.

-Crocop was fairly one-dimensional. But not really any moreso than JDS, Arlovski, Black Beast, Hunt, or Browne.

-Sobral and Herring weren't B-fighters. Sobral was 19-2. Heath Herring had just beaten Igor Vovchanchyn and Mark Kerr within the last year and was
the heavy favorite going into the Fedor fight.

-Coleman was older (he also didnt start his MMA career til he was in his 30s) but was 7-1 in his last 8 fights, with the only loss being to Nog, and which included wins over Fujita, Goes, and his huge win over Igor Vovchanchyn to win the Pride HW GP. Fedor fought Coleman in the very next HW GP.

-Saying Arlovski and Sylvia were never any good is laughable. Both were top 5 HWs when Fedor fought them.

-Ricardo Arona... yup.. it was his 2nd fight. It was also Fedor's 4th fight. Arona also won gold at Abu-Dhabi that year and the next year without losing a single point against anybody, which is still a record. He then went on to win 10 of his next 11 fights, which included wins over Wanderlei Silva, Dan Henderson, Kazushi Sakaraba, Guy Mezger, Gustavo Machado, Dean Lister, and Ninja Rua.

-Mark Hunt wasn't supposed to be the original opponent. Josh Barnett was. He was still a 300 lb. K-1 Champion who is probably the hardest puncher in the HW division over the last decade and has probably the best chin in the HW division over the last decade. Fedor also had a widely publicized broken big toe. He still finished him in the first round while taking zero damage.



As usual, it just kind of sounds like you have no idea who most of these people were or what they were like back then.
 
Fedor simply cant be the GOAT just because he lost to his 3 best opponents and never avenged any of those losses. One of the guys he lost to was even older than him and two weight divisions below.
 
Money509 said:
Fedor simply cant be the GOAT just because he lost to his 3 best opponents and never avenged any of those losses. One of the guys he lost to was even older than him and two weight divisions below.
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He was also beaten very convincingly in all 3 fights.

Great fighter but half of his record were against sub par opponents.
 
Money509 said:
Fedor simply cant be the GOAT just because he lost to his 3 best opponents and never avenged any of those losses. One of the guys he lost to was even older than him and two weight divisions below.
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kill yourself
 
fatlipjesus said:
You mean in America where none of the good HWs were?

Well I'm impressed.
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I mean the America that actually had drug testing which coincidentally happens to the America that Fedor got choked, tko'd, and ko'd in.
 
fatlipjesus said:
-Nog never wanted to stop a takedown. That's like making fun of Demian Maia's takedown defense. You're pretty much retarded if you take them down.

-Crocop was fairly one-dimensional. But not really any moreso than JDS, Arlovski, Black Beast, Hunt, or Browne.

-Sobral and Herring weren't B-fighters. Sobral was 19-2. Heath Herring had just beaten Igor Vovchanchyn and Mark Kerr within the last year and was
the heavy favorite going into the Fedor fight.

-Coleman was older (he also didnt start his MMA career til he was in his 30s) but was 7-1 in his last 8 fights, with the only loss being to Nog, and which included wins over Fujita, Goes, and his huge win over Igor Vovchanchyn to win the Pride HW GP. Fedor fought Coleman in the very next HW GP.

-Saying Arlovski and Sylvia were never any good is laughable. Both were top 5 HWs when Fedor fought them.

-Ricardo Arona... yup.. it was his 2nd fight. It was also Fedor's 4th fight. Arona also won gold at Abu-Dhabi that year and the next year without losing a single point against anybody, which is still a record. He then went on to win 10 of his next 11 fights, which included wins over Wanderlei Silva, Dan Henderson, Kazushi Sakaraba, Guy Mezger, Gustavo Machado, Dean Lister, and Ninja Rua.

-Mark Hunt wasn't supposed to be the original opponent. Josh Barnett was. He was still a 300 lb. K-1 Champion who is probably the hardest puncher in the HW division over the last decade and has probably the best chin in the HW division over the last decade. Fedor also had a widely publicized broken big toe. He still finished him in the first round while taking zero damage.



As usual, it just kind of sounds like you have no idea who most of these people were or what they were like back then.
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Its an absolute DE-LIGHT to watch you slay these noobs.

I tip my hat to you guud sir. Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah.

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Evangelion said:
A step down from Zulu?
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If you fought in PRIDE back in those days, you fought a lot of cans. That was true of every fighter who participated in what was then the greatest MMA promotion in the world. Wanderlei Silva, for example, was the one of the two best fighters in the world at what PRIDE called MW in those days, but he also padded his record with a lot of Japanese cans because that's what the Japanese audiences wanted to see.

There's no contradiction between saying that PRIDE had both the best fighters in the young sport of MMA and also some of the worst matchmaking.

But just by virtue of Fedor's long run at the top of that promotion and the fact that PRIDE had the best fighters in the world at the time, he faced most of the best competition in the world at his weight - and he beat everyone he faced.

Randy Couture, who I consider a great fighter, never had a similar long run. Not once in his career did Couture win more than four fights in a row. To put that in perspective Fedor was on an eight-fight winning streak before he even had a chance to fight Big Nog for the PRIDE HW belt - and his winning streak would've been thirteen fights if he hadn't been forced to quit the Kosaka fight because of a doctor's stoppage.
 
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