This recent sad news with Cain is just more evidence why Fedor will never be surpassed

[Lawblaw]

Your question is irrelevant because that wasn't the way of the sport back then.

You're obviously way out of your depth here.
It'd be best if you stop posting and try to learn something. But you won't.

Lol teach me about the way the sport was please.

Was it about winning the belt and having your next 7 fights against a murderer's row that consisted of

Egidijus Valavicius

Kazuyuki Fujita

Gary Goodridge

Yuji Nagata

Mark Coleman

Kevin Randleslam

Naoya Ogawa

None of these fights were for the belt

He then fought Nog for the the second time, where he probably should've lost and then rematched him winning a decision victory.

He then fought Tsuyoshi Kohsaka again not a title fight. (The same bum who beat him Via cut earlier in his career)

He then fought fought Cro Cop for the belt which was a great fight, but went on afterwards to fight a guy by the name of Zuluzinho (of course not a title fight).

He then decided to beat on Coleman again infront of his kids, beat a green Mark Hunt who went on to have a 6 fight lose streak. Then fought a middleweight Matt Lindland and the legendary Hong-man Choi (all non title fights except Hunt).

He then went to USA where he had a 3-3 record with all loses via all types of finishes.

 

[seiger]

Another sad attempt to shoehorn Fedor into discussions, its nearly 2017, please just let go.

fighters come and go, but only the great remains.

from a historical perspective it is more likely we are shoehorning cain into a discussion about fedor.

 

[seiger]

Lol teach me about the way the sport was please.

Was it about winning the belt and having your next 7 fights against a murderer's row that consisted of

Egidijus Valavicius

Kazuyuki Fujita

Gary Goodridge

Yuji Nagata

Mark Coleman

Kevin Randleslam

Naoya Ogawa

None of these fights were for the belt

He then fought Nog for the the second time, where he probably should've lost and then rematched him winning a decision victory.

He then fought Tsuyoshi Kohsaka again not a title fight. (The same bum who beat him Via cut earlier in his career)

He then fought fought Cro Cop for the belt which was a great fight, but went on afterwards to fight a guy by the name of Zuluzinho (of course not a title fight).

He then decided to beat on Coleman again infront of his kids, beat a green Mark Hunt who went on to have a 6 fight lose streak. Then fought a middleweight Matt Lindland and the legendary Hong-man Choi (all non title fights except Hunt).

He then went to USA where he had a 3-3 record with all loses via all types of finishes.

he was fighting 3 or 4 times a year. cain has fought the same competition repeatedly since this decade began, at a rate of what? a fight a year?

 

[kenetics]

Fedor was a great fighter but can we really call a guy that couldn't make it through Strikeforce the best? I just don't see it.

In retrospect, the Werdum triangle doesn't look so bad now, but getting literally pummeled by Bigfoot and getting ok'd by a guy whose best success came at 185, does not make the best ever.

Dude he was at the end of career... When he was in pride he was like 24 yrs old..

 

[Lawblaw]

he was fighting 3 or 4 times a year. cain has fought the same competition repeatedly since this decade began, at a rate of what? a fight a year?

Cain is pathetic. Fedor is the HW Goat. I was just debating the 18 lineal title defenses.

 

[Natesblackshirt]

Is Fedor the guy that got KO'ed, submitted, and lost by doctor stoppage all in a row after supposedly being so great? The same guy that was washed up at 34 yet lowered his competition level and started winning again?

 

[Stevanchez]

lol at lineal title defenses.

How many times did he actually defend his belt?

6 times. Still 3x more that any UFC HW.

But if he defended "UFC style"(everytime he fought a top 15 HW), it would have been 12. Unfortunately for him, that's not how PRIDE did it.

 

[Redhawks100]

a decade unbeaten at HW.
18 lineal title defenses.
fought an average of just shy of 3 fights a year during his 7 year peak.

fought a peak hw division in the sport,

full of guys who are still knocking around in the top 10 a decade after its peak.

its so sad that guys like cain, who are truly great, just dont have the ability to live with that kind of out put.

Mainly fought in an organization that encouraged PED use

 

[Stevanchez]

Eh pride never tested. Easy to stay uninjured in those rules (;

Looked terrible in any league with testing. Merely observation and could just be a natural aging but still.

Except for Affliction. Where he beat 2 top 5 HWs in under 4 minutes(combined).

 

[Lawblaw]

6 times. Still 3x more that any UFC HW.

But if he defended "UFC style"(everytime he fought a top 15 HW), it would have been 12. Unfortunately for him, that's not how PRIDE did it.

Which 6 fights were title defenses?

 

[HHJ]

He was never gonna be surpassed anyway

 

[Stevanchez]

He was 34 years old in Strikeforce.

Do you honestly think a 34 year old Cain would make it through that era of Strikeforce?

And Cain's had not even half the amount of fights.

Cain will need a walker within the next 2 years. Sad, but with bad knees and now a bum back, it's very likely.

 

[Stevanchez]

Which 6 fights were title defenses?

PRIDE:
Nog 2/3
Cro Cop
Hunt
(After PRIDE folded he was given WAMMA belt)
WAMMA:
Sylvia
AA
Rogers

Even if you don't want to except WAMMA(even though it's really just the lineal PRIDE belt), he still defended the original PRIDE belt 3 times. More that any UFC HW champion.

 

[No Mas]

Fwiw, you can't expect people who never witnessed Fedor's era live (or only started watching MMA during his strikeforce run) to fully appreciate just how great it was. It's like looking at the tail end of Archie Moore's career and going, "wow he sucks, got KO'd by Marciano, Patterson and Ali easily and early" then disregarding his age/number of fights/wear and the fact he was a LHW (the greatest one of all time).

It should be enough looking at how every legitimate poll has him ranked as the greatest ever, the aura he exuded, and the reverence every fighter held for him (and still do) at the time. These same people don't even look into the context of his opponents at the time, and use post Fedor losses to discredit them.

 

[Lawblaw]

PRIDE:
Nog 2/3
Cro Cop
Hunt
(After PRIDE folded he was given WAMMA belt)
WAMMA:
Sylvia
AA
Rogers

Even if you don't want to except WAMMA(even though it's really just the lineal PRIDE belt), he still defended the original PRIDE belt 3 times. More that any UFC HW champion.

Yeah because he's the best HW to ever live. No one can dispute that.

 

[bad seed]

Fedor was a great fighter but can we really call a guy that couldn't make it through Strikeforce the best? I just don't see it.

In retrospect, the Werdum triangle doesn't look so bad now, but getting literally pummeled by Bigfoot and getting ok'd by a guy whose best success came at 185, does not make the best ever.

do people forget that he was barely training at that time? He was brainwashed by his sorceror to leave everything in "God's hands" and turned into a pudgy brawler. It was evident even in his wins against Sylvia and Arlovski. The PRIDE Fedor would have beaten every HW who ever stepped into the octagon.

 

[opie]

How old was Randy when he was still on top. 34 for a HW must only be old in Russia

randy didn't start fighting til he was 33. it's not the years it's the mileage.

rjj was once a great fighter. time waits for no man.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

so that's why he ducked the belt and refused to fight Overeem?

He just wanted stricted drug testing... Overeem was juiced to the gills back then and wanted none of that. Horsemeat my ass.

 

[BigMuffler]

Stipe will be the GOAT in about one year's time, depending on the health of the division and himself

Stipe can never ever beat Cain though.

...because they'll never fight lol

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Fedor was a great fighter but can we really call a guy that couldn't make it through Strikeforce the best? I just don't see it.

In retrospect, the Werdum triangle doesn't look so bad now, but getting literally pummeled by Bigfoot and getting ok'd by a guy whose best success came at 185, does not make the best ever.

If you look carefully his fights you can see he was pretty much a shadow of himself when he arrived in Strikeforce. He went from being the smartest guy around (exploding al his rivals flaws) to a headhunting brawler.