"This loss will be good for Bo in the long run. He wasn't brought up properly. No shame in losing to RDR" etc etc

The problem is we finally see him get tagged up and he clearly didn’t like getting hit

Didn’t deal well with being hit clean

At the top of this mma heap, you are gonna get struck hard and clean, and eventually a dog that can take some shots must emerge to be the very best
 
Man, people making a lot of declarative statements about Bo after 1, (1), one loss. That's a pretty small sample set for you failologists and haters to base your analysis of a failed career on. Just sayin'.
this, end thread. whole lotta post-fight hyperbole as usual. it's one loss. and if anyone is qualified to take a stab at mma, it's a highly decorated wrestler like bo. people hating on him right now because they want to.

personally, i'm interested to see where he goes from here. not everyone is going to be able to land all those knees on him and he's still damn young, tons of time to progress.
 
this, end thread. whole lotta post-fight hyperbole as usual. it's one loss. and if anyone is qualified to take a stab at mma, it's a highly decorated wrestler like bo. people hating on him right now because they want to.

personally, i'm interested to see where he goes from here. not everyone is going to be able to land all those knees on him and he's still damn young, tons of time to progress.
Not too many guys are actually undefeated when they win the belt...Not saying Bo will win gold either, but I am seeing folks write him off after one loss.
 
Many people are not getting it. Sure, you can argue that not taking more frequent fights against lower competition didn't help his development. You can argue that a huge seasoned vet like RDR was simply too big of a leap. You can argue that he's still very early in his UFC career.

But the bottom line is I think you'd be missing the point: he simply isn't world class level talented for MMA. Period. He literally hasn't had any significant improvements in the past couple years. He's close to his ceiling already.

This is not a situation like Brock Lesnar where you're like holy fuck this talent level is insane and he's just still so raw. This isn't a guy who made the massive leaps like we saw in Brock vs Mir 1 vs 2, going from getting subbed to one of the most dominant ground performances in MMA history. This isn't Chris Weidman knocking out Uriah Hall and treating Mark Munoz like he never wrestled a day in his life, taking short notice fights with massive last minute weight cuts and and still coasting over Maia. This isn't Khamzat where you can blatantly see the incredible athleticism (for MMA) in the way that he moves around the cage and manipulates opponents.

Striking is one thing, and you can't expect Bo's to be super developed yet, but in MMA he's simply not a dominant grappler either. In modern MMA, it's also pretty much a prerequisite at this point to be incredibly tough mentally and physically durable. No one could question his mental toughness as a wrestler, to go through the grind to become a world class wrestler, you have to be tough beyond imagination....but that's apparently a different form of toughness than being Big Nog or Evander Holyfield in combat sports.

I see absolutely no reason to believe he will come back from this loss much stronger. At least with Aaron Pico, you could see the extreme physical talent for MMA from the beginning, he just lacked the defense and/or durability. I don't think he'll reach the highest level in the UFC because of those deficits, but I think he's much more talented than Bo for MMA.

It's like people have forgotten that guys like Jake Rosholt and Ed Ruth existed (though I would still say Ruth is more talented for MMA than Bo). Maybe they didn't have as much international wrestling experience as Bo, but who fucking cares at that point? They both won 3 NCAA titles each! At that point, does it really matter in an MMA context if Bo is a bit better in straight wrestling? It's virtually meaningless. And heck we've seen wrestlers like Aliakbari that are much more accomplished than Bo in international wrestling, plus are in the much more shallow HW division, and still are middle of the pack fighters. Aliakbari simply isn't supremely talented for MMA despite being astoundingly talented for wrestling at the highest levels of world competition. Why should it be surprising that Bo is in a similar position?

It reminds me of when people on Sherdog were arguing that Brock would beat Cain because he won an NCAA title while Cain's highest placement was 4th....and they somehow didn't realize how absurd that argument is. First of all, they didn't even wrestle in the same years, and second of all, the difference between 1st place and 4th place matters in straight wrestling....but within the context of MMA with all the other factors, that slight difference is absolutely meaningless.

They were also acting like Bilyal would walk in and he invincible in MMA simply due to his wrestling background. We never got to see it happen, but it wouldn't be that shocking if he got KO'd by Tim Johnson. You just never know.
Agreed. I might actually say Bo overachieved. Bo has had close to 4 years of private instruction and training from ATT affiliates in Pennsylvania at a private gym that was built specifically for him paid for by the UFC and this is the best he's done. Imagine if he didn't have the UFC sponsoring him and placing him with top level trainers. Imagine if he had to go out and start training from scratch like almost all other fighters have to. He wouldn't be as good as his is. Bottom line. I think Bo has plateaued in MMA.

Another reason why you can't "grow" an MMA fighter.
 
I don't think he's really got the durability you need and his mma grappling isn't good enough to cover that up.


So in conclusion. UFC need send him 3,4 yrs Dagestan, and forget.
 
The problem is we finally see him get tagged up and he clearly didn’t like getting hit

Didn’t deal well with being hit clean

At the top of this mma heap, you are gonna get struck hard and clean, and eventually a dog that can take some shots must emerge to be the very best
Why do people act like this is an issue that's impossible to overcome? Yeah he doesn't like getting hit. Maybe he learns how to deal with that in time. Or not.
 
Why do people act like this is an issue that's impossible to overcome? Yeah he doesn't like getting hit. Maybe he learns how to deal with that in time. Or not.


Taking shots comfortably can’t be taught

That shit comes from being a kid

4oz’ers are no joke either, so you better be a bad dude if you wanna climb the mma mountain


I strongly doubt he will develop a “chin” worthy of deflecting 4oz shots as evident as him taking them for the first time last Sat.

Bo is a grown man, a life-long of wrestling success created an impenetrable ego

But those of us who have watched this sport since birth, know that an extremely decorated means fuck-all if they can’t take punches

I don’t care how good you are at the grapples, you will have to eat punches/kicks/knees as you climb to the top as those guys have the skills to thwart D-1 TD attempts and make you pay dearly for your struggles



Other D-1 guys like DC, Colby, Chandler, Gaethje, Hendricks, and many, many more, all showed that eating a punch or kick, made them just fight harder. They even chose to continue to stand and trade with a lot of their opponents with success


High-level wrasslers need to bring a “dog” element to that table, they have to wanna fist-fight
 
It used to be ok for a fighter to take a loss. If MMA wants to avoid the pitfalls of boxing, fans need to accept fighters will lose and stop encouraging them to be protected
I agree with your statement but in Nickal’s case, I think the line between confidence and cockiness had long been crossed, so now that’s he fell flat on his face, a lot of folks rejoice and are happy to laugh out loud as he’s getting a much anticipated reality check.

The other irritating factor with Nickal, and he’s actually not even to blame for this, is the classic “UFC likes me so they make me fight cans for years, hype me up ridiculously in so doing, and preserve my undefeated record intact for the longest possible time” pathway to stardom that he was so blatantly given by the organization.

The pros to this are that you get a decent amount of time and relatively easy fights to build up your game and develop, you get plenty of exposure and marketing, which gets you fans and haters in equal parts - but drives people’s interest in watching you regardless of your capacity to deliver and win at the highest level.

The cons, now. This pathway cannot last forever, so when the UFC finally lifts its cozy butt cheeks off of you and stops brooding your career like its precious golden egg, you gotta crack it and you better fly, because the haters are gonna incredibly happy to say you’ve been fraud-checked, your own confidence is likely to get shattered if you lose, and losing doesn’t just expose you…it exposes the UFC’s hype machine and how ridiculously biased and nonsensical it

All that to say, it’s ok that he took a loss, but no wonder many people are laughing their asses off. It’s not like he lost a close decision either…I think that would have been a different story altogether.
 
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