This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Lol you sound so salty.
No its not a video game but werdum, you're taking everything i said literal cause you're emotional.

Once bigfoot got ontop of fedor it was over which coincides with my point, because dc outstruck bigfoot and never allowed him to smother him in the same way.
Dan henderson was getting pressured and fedor was swinging his usual wild overhand rights (and it looks wild cause its wild) and once he got top position he kept swinging wild, dan slipped out and caught him with a right...
Did that happen to dc? No when dc got top position he secured it, hes far more compossed when it comes to striking and grappling.
The facts are dc has finished two guys convincingly that fedor lost to and got finished by FACTS, we can argue opinions all day long, but the FACTS speak for themselves.

And that could have been anybody to submit cain, you keep acting as if werdum caught cain when werdum was on his back, that submissions was secured before werdums ass ever hit the canvas, it would be an actual argument, if he caught cain in the triangle the first round, but he didn't his guard got passed.
Stop being so emotional, dc has beaten Better competition and finished guys fedor has gotten finished by..facts talk bullshit walks.

I'm not salty and i'm just taking your words at face value, if you don't like that then write better. You sound defensive because I pointed out you don't know what you're talking about.

So you're point is basically MMA math which doens't work. DC doesn't have the physical attributes that Bigfoot has and used to beat Fedor, he's not a 280+lb man that's a good black belt and he's not known for having heavy GnP like Bigfoot, nor does he have the big KO power that Hendo has and he's not known for catching people in scrambles with hard shots like Hendo either. He doesn't have the attributes or abilities that Bigfoot, Hendo or Werdum used to beat Fedor, style matchups are important, the more MMA you watch the more you will realize this.

MMA math doesn't work, if it did then Kimbo Slice would beat Fedor and Big Nog and everyone they have beaten.

Fedor has far more top 10 and top 5 wins than DC, you don't know what you're talking about and you're making it obvious to everyone.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Similar =/= the same. Cormier has better control and wrestling overall. He's also got shorter arms and he's stockier, harder to sub. He's never been subbed, that's all we know and you are just making wild assumptions that he'd get subbed easily.

The reason you used for saying DC cannot be submitted by Fedor applies exactly the same to Cain. I used the same exact logic you used against you. You said DC is a high level wrestler that trains in BJJ so Fedor can't submit him or something similar to that, well that exact same description applies to Cain and to Coleman.

I then pointed out another parallel between Cain and DC. DC's submission defense has yet to be tested, Cain's submission defense prior to fighting Werdum had also yet to be tested. Assuming DC's submission defense is high level before it's ever been tested is dumb just like it was when Cain fans said Werdum couldn't submit Cain because he's a high level wrestler that trains BJJ.

 

[Shaddows]

 

[Sinthesized]

The reason you used for saying DC cannot be submitted by Fedor applies exactly the same to Cain. I used the same exact logic you used against you. You said DC is a high level wrestler that trains in BJJ so Fedor can't submit him or something similar to that, well that exact same description applies to Cain and to Coleman.

I then pointed out another parallel between Cain and DC. DC's submission defense has yet to be tested, Cain's submission defense prior to fighting Werdum had also yet to be tested. Assuming DC's submission defense is high level before it's ever been tested is dumb just like it was when Cain fans said Werdum couldn't submit Cain because he's a high level wrestler that trains BJJ.

You're going by conjecture, I'm going by facts. Cormier has never been submitted, Cain has. You can say it's correlated, but you cannot say that Cormier will be subbed because of it, that's asinine.

 

[Claude]

Coleman's elbow is literally in the crook of Fedor's shoulder with the brunt of his weight directed towards that side. Fedor was better off his back than Josh or Gus, so maybe he'd force Cormier to make that mistake, but nothing from those pictures suggests that Cormier is one hip-shift away from an auto-sub.

I'd love to see Nelson pull off an armbar from his position in that picture.

I do think Fedor at his best beats Cormier, but it's not because Cormier has extended his arms in guard previously (as if anyone who fights from the top hasn't). It's because he had a high workrate and terrific cardio in his prime. Cormier is not a great late-round fighter and he doesn't take body shots well.

Cormier wouldn't even need to put his arm as deep as Coleman did though. Here is Fedor demonstrating his armbars from bottom.

This is all Fedor needs to pull an armabar from guard:

Cormier is way past that

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

You're going by conjecture, I'm going by facts. Cormier has never been submitted, Cain has. You can say it's correlated, but you cannot say that Cormier will be subbed because of it, that's asinine.

The same exact reason you said DC won't be submitted applies to Cain. It doesn't matter that Cain has been submitted because that wasn't part of your reasoning in the post I quoted.

This is what you said and it applies to Cain as well.

He wouldn't sub Cormier. Cormier is an elite wrestler and he does bjj and it translates incredibly well.

I didn't say this, this is an assumption on your part, I didn't say DC will be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested. I said that you shouldn't say he won't be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested.

 

[shortlefthook]

I'm not salty and i'm just taking your words at face value, if you don't like that then write better. You sound defensive because I pointed out you don't know what you're talking about.

So you're point is basically MMA math which doens't work. DC doesn't have the physical attributes that Bigfoot has and used to beat Fedor, he's not a 280+lb man that's a good black belt and he's not known for having heavy GnP like Bigfoot, nor does he have the big KO power that Hendo has and he's not known for catching people in scrambles with hard shots like Hendo either. He doesn't have the attributes or abilities that Bigfoot, Hendo or Werdum used to beat Fedor, style matchups are important, the more MMA you watch the more you will realize this.

MMA math doesn't work, if it did then Kimbo Slice would beat Fedor and Big Nog and everyone they have beaten.

Fedor has far more top 10 and top 5 wins than DC, you don't know what you're talking about and you're making it obvious to everyone.

Lol salty i love how you say mma math doesn't work, then you try anduse mma math to try and justify your point lmao, you're clearly a biased russian, fedor is good but dc is better if you dont agree with that opinion fine, its just an opinion but dont act like your opinion is more valid, i know exactly what im talking about and when it comes down to facts dc has beaten and finished guys that fedor has gotten finished by, quite easily at that.
Facts talk bullshit walks, you dont know what you're talking about blah.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Lol salty i love how you say mma math doesn't work, then you try anduse mma math to try and justify your point lmao, you're clearly a biased russian, fedor is good but dc is better if you dont agree with that opinion fine, its just an opinion but dont act like your opinion is more valid, i know exactly what im talking about and when it comes down to facts dc has beaten and finished guys that fedor has gotten finished by, quite easily at that.
Facts talk bullshit walks, you dont know what you're talking about blah.

You clearly don't know what MMA math is.

Try to learn the difference between analysing fights and MMA math. What you did was MMA math, what I did was fight analysis. Your post boiled down to Fedor can't beat DC because DC beat Bigfoot and Hendo who Fedor lost to but you don't go into how those fighters beat Fedor. I did go into how they beat Fedor then explained that the things they did to beat him are not things that DC does or is.

DC is not 280lbs, he doesn't have hard GnP like Bigfoot or a high level black belt. Bigfoot used these tools to beat Fedor, tools that DC does not have.

DC does not have huge KO power and he's not known for hitting guys really hard in scrambles often, Hendo does have huge KO power and is known for hitting guys really hard in scrambles often, DC does not have the abilities that Hendo used to beat Fedor so your MMAmath doesn't work because they aren't similar fighters.

Fight analysis is when you break down aspects of fighting, MMA math doesn't do that which is why it doesn't work, it just assumes that if fighter A beats fighter C and if fighter B loses to fighter C then fighter B must lose to fighter A, that is what you did.

 

[Sinthesized]

The same exact reason you said DC won't be submitted applies to Cain. It doesn't matter that Cain has been submitted because that wasn't part of your reasoning in the post I quoted.

This is what you said and it applies to Cain as well.

He wouldn't sub Cormier. Cormier is an elite wrestler and he does bjj and it translates incredibly well.

They are different people. They aren't carbon copies. You're argument is garbage.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

They are different people. They aren't carbon copies. You're argument is garbage.

No, your's is, I was able to use your own logic against you, that's pretty good proof that you didn't think it through when you made that post.

 

[shortlefthook]

Try to learn the difference between analysing fights and MMA math. What you did was MMA math, what I did was fight analysis. Your post boiled down to Fedor can't beat DC because DC beat Bigfoot and Hendo who Fedor lost to but you don't go into how those fighters beat Fedor. I did go into how they beat Fedor then explained that the things they did to beat him are not things that DC does or is.

DC is not 280lbs, he doesn't have hard GnP like Bigfoot or a high level black belt. Bigfoot used these tools to beat Fedor, tools that DC does not have.

DC does not have huge KO power and he's not known for hitting guys really hard in scrambles often, Hendo does have huge KO power and is known for hitting guys really hard in scrambles often, DC does not have the abilities that Hendo used to beat Fedor so your MMAmath doesn't work because they aren't similar fighters.

Fight analysis is when you break down aspects of fighting, MMA math doesn't do that which is why it doesn't work, it just assumes that if fighter A beats fighter C and if fighter B loses to fighter C then fighter B must lose to fighter A, that is what you did.

You're trying to pretend like you have a damn clue what would happen if they both met in the octagon, You're pretending to know what would happen if, cormier caught fedor in a scramble, heres a fact, you dont know shit! Cause its never happen, your arugments based around hypotheticals.
I admit my opinion is just a opinion in not going to act like a emotional wreck.
But like i said facts speak bull shit walks, that whole post was bullshit, pretend time.
Facts dc has beaten two guys that finished fedor quote easily as well.
This whole thread is revolved around mma math im just speaking facts and your tampon is getting wet.

 

[$uicideboy$]

this wouldve actually been such an insane fight

 

[Sinthesized]

No, your's is, I was able to use your own logic against you, that's pretty good proof that you didn't think it through when you made that post.

I guess you can't tell when you've lost, but you have. Whether or not you keep fighting an uphill battle is up to you. Cormier is not Cain, and what happens to Cain has nothing to do with what will happen to Cormier.

 

[chinarice]

Would have been a great fight. Cormier is better than the majority of Fedor's wins and he is arguably as good as Fedor's best wins.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I guess you can't tell when you've lost, but you have. Whether or not you keep fighting an uphill battle is up to you. Cormier is not Cain, and what happens to Cain has nothing to do with what will happen to Cormier.

You need to learn how to read. I didn't say DC will be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested. I said that you shouldn't say he won't be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested. These statements are different.

I applied the logic you used, DC cannot be submitted by Fedor because he's a high level wrestler who trains BJJ, that logic also applies to Cain, yet Cain has been submitted so obviously the idea that high level wrestling and train BJJ = unsubmittable is wrong. That is all. You were wrong and kept making assumptions about why I said something and kept trying to change what the conversation was about.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

You're trying to pretend like you have a damn clue what would happen if they both met in the octagon, You're pretending to know what would happen if, cormier caught fedor in a scramble, heres a fact, you dont know shit! Cause its never happen, your arugments based around hypotheticals.
I admit my opinion is just a opinion in not going to act like a emotional wreck.
But like i said facts speak bull shit walks, that whole post was bullshit, pretend time.
Facts dc has beaten two guys that finished fedor quote easily as well.
This whole thread is revolved around mma math im just speaking facts and your tampon is getting wet.

I'm making a prediction, you're the one acting like you know what would happen 100% and are basing it on MMA math and acting all emotional and can't debate so you resort to childish name calling.

I have picked your arguments apart, you can't pick mine apart so you just keep saying words like salty, emotional and other bullshit.

 

[shortlefthook]

I'm making a prediction, you're the one acting like you know what would happen 100% and are basing it on MMA math and acting all emotional and can't debate so you resort to childish name calling.

Its over, i never once insulated you until you started questioning me and MY opinion, its just a opinion i have said this over and over again, litterally its my opinion, dc is better than fedor they have two similiar opponents i can base that off of.
Idc if you think other wise, i have no intent to argue with a fedor nut swinger they arent people you can have a logical arugment with, so ill leave it to the facts.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Its over, i never once insulated you until you started questioning me and MY opinion, its just a opinion i have said this over and over again, litterally its my opinion, dc is better than fedor they have two similiar opponents i can base that off of.
Idc if you think other wise, i have no intent to argue with a fedor nut swinger they arent people you can have a logical arugment with, so ill leave it to the facts.

Oh, how dare I question the omnipotent shortlefthook that believes in MMA math, get some thicker skin or get the fuck off a discussion board. In debates you attack the other person's arguement, insulting the other person doesn't prove shit other than you can't debate what is being said and get easily emotional.

 

[My Spot]

What do pics and gifs of Fedor fighting without regulation and PED testing prove exactly?

 

[shortlefthook]

Oh, how dare I question the omnipotent shortlefthook that believes in MMA math, get some thicker skin or get the fuck off a discussion board. In debates you attack the other person's arguement, insulting the other person doesn't prove shit other than you can't debate what is being said and get easily emotional.

Its a waste of time, like i said nothings changed, my opinion still remains as does yours, its not a matter of getting thicker skin, im not the one who went all emotional and wet the tampon.
Trying to change a biased russians opinion on one of the most overrated fighters in the history of mma is a waste of time simple as that.
You have no debate besides dc not having hendos ko power or bigfoot size, well congratulations there two completely different human beings...
You still have no idea what happens if they both meet eachother in the cage.
What we do know is dc dispossed of two fighters that finished fedor.
We also know watching those fights that dc is far more composed striking and grappling then fedors wild style that is outdated...
Where is fedor now? Hes fighting fucking cans...again facts are facts try and keep up theres no debating facts.