This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

[Sinthesized]

You need to learn how to read. I didn't say DC will be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested. I said that you shouldn't say he won't be submitted because his submission defense has never been tested. These statements are different.

I applied the logic you used, DC cannot be submitted by Fedor because he's a high level wrestler who trains BJJ, that logic also applies to Cain, yet Cain has been submitted so obviously the idea that high level wrestling and train BJJ = unsubmittable is wrong. That is all. You were wrong and kept making assumptions about why I said something and kept trying to change what the conversation was about.

He's not been submitted yet, and only defeated once, by the "GOAT".

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

He's not been submitted yet, and only defeated once, by the "GOAT".

None of this is relevant to the discussion we were having, and I don't think Jones is the GOAT either.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

Its a waste of time, like i said nothings changed, my opinion still remains as does yours, its not a matter of getting thicker skin, im not the one who went all emotional and wet the tampon.
Trying to change a biased russians opinion on one of the most overrated fighters in the history of mma is a waste of time simple as that.
You have no debate besides dc not having hendos ko power or bigfoot size, well congratulations there two completely different human beings...
You still have no idea what happens if they both meet eachother in the cage.
What we do know is dc dispossed of two fighters that finished fedor.
We also know watching those fights that dc is far more composed striking and grappling then fedors wild style that is outdated...
Where is fedor now? Hes fighting fucking cans...again facts are facts try and keep up theres no debating facts.

Yes it is, you posted your opinion, I then quoited you correcting you on the things you were wrong about, then you got all emotional and kept saying I was salty because you couldn't debate me so you tried to make personal attacks.

This is how debates work, you present your opinion, someone disagrees, they present their opinion and poke holes in your argument, then you try to do the same(You didn't do this, instead you started name calling). Grow up and learn how to debate or don't post on forums that are specifically for discussions and debates.

 

[shortlefthook]

Yes it is, you posted your opinion, I then quoited you correcting you on the things you were wrong about, then you got all emotional and kept saying I was salty because you couldn't debate me so you tried to make personal attacks.

This is how debates work, you present your opinion, someone disagrees, they present their opinion and poke holes in your argument, then you try to do the same(You didn't do this, instead you started name calling). Grow up and learn how to debate or don't post on forums that are specifically for discussions and debates.

You didn't correct me in anything.
You want a debate? I already pointed out my argument, dc has beaten two guys quite easily, both those guys finished fedor, calling it mma math doesn't change that fact, thats actually the closest thing we have to compare their skills, seeing how they handle the same fighters.

Now what is your arugment? That dc doesn't have bigfoots size or hendos power? Ok but how does that prove anything? Heres a hint it doesn't.. You still have no idea what happens, anything you say regarding that fight is just hypothetical and an assumption.
But like i said facts are facts, your bullshit walks, a debate about hypotheticals can go in circles as its clearly doing.
Grow up and realize you're trying to debate about fiction, shit i could say that fight ends in a double ko, and theres not a single debate you could bring that proves otherwise cause its fiction, understand yet?

 

[myjohnson9]

I approve of this thread. Many people who never saw him fight need to realize how elite fedors grappling was and how well rounded he was

 

[MirRocksFedor]

Threads like this reminds me how upset I am with Big Nog.......

We were 1 fight away from having Fedor sign and prove himself the GOAT HW and Big Nog blew it!

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

You didn't correct me in anything.
You want a debate? I already pointed out my argument, dc has beaten two guys quite easily, both those guys finished fedor, calling it mma math doesn't change that fact, thats actually the closest thing we have to compare their skills, seeing how they handle the same fighters.

Now what is your arugment? That dc doesn't have bigfoots size or hendos power? Ok but how does that prove anything? Heres a hint it doesn't.. You still have no idea what happens, anything you say regarding that fight is just hypothetical and an assumption.
But like i said facts are facts, your bullshit walks, a debate about hypotheticals can go in circles as its clearly doing.
Grow up and realize you're trying to debate about fiction, shit i could say that fight ends in a double ko, and theres not a single debate you could bring that proves otherwise cause its fiction, understand yet?

MMA math doesn't work, everyone knows that. Your argument is solely based on something everyone knows doesn't work because in MMA, the styles of the fighters and there physical attributes and abilities matter significantly.

I have been watching MMA for 20 years, the first 3 years was casual watching, the last 17 have been regular, my opinion is based on my time watching and discussing fights and breaking down how I think fights will go based on similar style opponents and fighters strengths and weaknesses how I think they match up with various people, in different areas(kickboxing range, boxing range, in the clinch, on the ground, on top on bottom.).

I think Fedor has too many areas where he would have the advantage in his prime vs DC(standing, ground game on top and bottom, KO power, speed, reaction time, fight IQ, DC has wrestling but Fedor's TDD and Takedowns were very good too).

 

[shortlefthook]

MMA math doesn't work, everyone knows that. Your argument is solely based on something everyone knows doesn't work because in MMA, the styles of the fighters and there physical attributes and abilities matter significantly.

I have been watching MMA for 20 years, the first 3 years was casual watching, the last 17 have been regular, my opinion is based on my time watching and discussing fights and breaking down how I think fights will go based on similar style opponents and fighters strengths and weaknesses how I think they match up with various people, in different areas(kickboxing range, boxing range, in the clinch, on the ground, on top on bottom.).

I think Fedor has too many areas where he would have the advantage in his prime vs DC(standing, ground game on top and bottom, KO power, speed, reaction time, fight IQ, DC has wrestling but Fedor's TDD and Takedowns were very good too).

You have every right to think that, i think dc has better more composed striking, his chin steel, and whenever fedor gets wild dc could out grapple him, thats just my opinion. Im not saying dc beats fedor cause he beats two guys that finished Fedor im simply using that as something to draw conclusions from, a conclusion that could be drawn from both those fights is that fedor is too wild, he lost both times because of that.
What happened when AJ got even a little wild with dc? He got taken down.
I feel the grappling will be in dcs favor and that will be the story line of the hypothetical fight, could it be wrong? Sure..could it be right? Sure..either way its hypothetical.

 

[garwoc]

Why would you favor Cormier over Prime Fedor? The only advantage I see him having is wrestling, he's slower, his reaction time is slower, his striking isn't as good and his sub grappling isn't as good, Prime Fedor also mostly ragdolled people(he got thrown as well but by Randleman on roids), he was mostly a grappler in his prime but was also able to strike with prime Cro Cop on the feet and do well and make him look kind of slow in comparison.

I just don't think the match up is so clear cut. Cormier's wrestling coupled with his striking causes problems for pretty much anyone.

Don't get me wrong Fedor catching Cormier with punches or with a sub wouldn't surprise me (even now) plus if it was 5 round fight it would benefit him even more.

 

[Redhawks100]

@NoBiasJustMMA is so salty that Cormier edges him everywhere except submissions.

Dude was getting worked by Hunt, Coleman, Lindland, Bigfoot, Hendo....

Yet he'd just destroy Cormier? Lol damn you Pride fans are a pathetic bunch.

If only Fedor could beat Bigfoot we would've saw that fight. You know, the Bigfoot that Cormier finished with absolute ease. Didn't Cormier rag doll and put Hendo to sleep as well? What happened when Fedor fought Hendo?

Fedor's indestructible! Which is why he was rocked by Bigfoot, Hendo, Fujita, and CroCop. He had great TDD! Which is why he was taken down from a body lock by Matt fucking Lindland and slammed like a child against Randleman!

Delusional kids. Go back to your corner, NoBias.

 

[Claude]

@NoBiasJustMMA is so salty that Cormier edges him everywhere except submissions.

Dude was getting worked by Hunt, Coleman, Lindland, Bigfoot, Hendo....

Yet he'd just destroy Cormier? Lol damn you Pride fans are a pathetic bunch.

If only Fedor could beat Bigfoot we would've saw that fight. You know, the Bigfoot that Cormier finished with absolute ease. Didn't Cormier rag doll and put Hendo to sleep as well? What happened when Fedor fought Hendo?

Fedor's indestructible! Which is why he was rocked by Bigfoot, Hendo, Fujita, and CroCop. He had great TDD! Which is why he was taken down from a body lock by Matt fucking Lindland and slammed like a child against Randleman!

Delusional kids. Go back to your corner, NoBias.

Redhawks my dear, that is a very nice display of MMath skills. Unfortunately fighting doesn't work like that.

DC is a good fighter, i really like him but he's leaps and bounds below a prime Fedor Emelianenko. His bad habits on the ground such as the ones i've showed, and inferior striking would lose him the fight.

I don't know what's the matter with you sonny. Perhaps you hate Fedor because he's caucasian. There are amazing black fighters out there. It just happens that the GOAT isn't black. You shouldn't be bitter about it. That's just racist.

 

[Claude]

You have every right to think that, i think dc has better more composed striking, his chin steel, and whenever fedor gets wild dc could out grapple him, thats just my opinion. Im not saying dc beats fedor cause he beats two guys that finished Fedor im simply using that as something to draw conclusions from, a conclusion that could be drawn from both those fights is that fedor is too wild, he lost both times because of that.
What happened when AJ got even a little wild with dc? He got taken down.
I feel the grappling will be in dcs favor and that will be the story line of the hypothetical fight, could it be wrong? Sure..could it be right? Sure..either way its hypothetical.

Just so you know, this thread isn't talking about 2009 and onward Fedor.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I just don't think the match up is so clear cut. Cormier's wrestling coupled with his striking causes problems for pretty much anyone.

Don't get me wrong Fedor catching Cormier with punches or with a sub wouldn't surprise me (even now) plus if it was 5 round fight it would benefit him even more.

In terms of sub grappling that's really a significant unknown in this fight and I would argue one a few potential big fantasy matchups involving Fedor. Theres IMHO a tendancy to claim fighters have high level sub defence when actually they've never really been tested, Cain for example was claimed to have this pre Werdum and many thought he'd beat him up from top position.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It's impossible to know how they'd do in eachother's prime. Two different eras of MMA.

But what we do know, is they share an opponent they both fought in the same year.

Antonio 'BigFoot' Silva

Fedor was TKOed via doctor's stoppage, after being mounted and GnPed for an entire five minutes. As opposed to DC, who knocked out BigFoot in the 1st round.

DC developed the nickname 'Black Fedor' based upon that fight, for having a similar style and body type, and doing to BigFoot what everyone was expecting Fedor to do to him.

Entertaining OP, TS.

 

[BlackPanther]

Jones will batter Fedor's soft face with them Bones.

 

[Catz Cuts]

Seriously, if Vitor had more balls Jones would already have a loss by armbar from the bottom.

You forgot to mention that Vitor was abusing TRT during that fight. It's hallarious how you Fedor/pride fanboys get so defensive when someone doesn't see them as all that great.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Fedor= White DC?

 

[Claude]

It's impossible to know how they'd do in eachother's prime. Two different eras of MMA.

But what we do know, is they share an opponent they both fought in the same year.

Antonio 'BigFoot' Silva

Fedor was TKOed via doctor's stoppage, after being mounted and GnPed for an entire five minutes. As opposed to DC, who knocked out BigFoot in the 1st round.

DC developed the nickname 'Black Fedor' based upon that fight, for having a similar style and body type, and doing to BigFoot what everyone was expecting Fedor to do to him.

Entertaining OP, TS.

Fedor was not at his peak when he fought Bigfoot.

Common opponents are irrelevant.

 

[Claude]

You forgot to mention that Vitor was abusing TRT during that fight. It's hallarious how you Fedor/pride fanboys get so defensive when someone doesn't see them as all that great.

I didn't forget. It's irrelevant.

 

[Catz Cuts]

Fedor was not at his peak when he fought Bigfoot.

Common opponents are irrelevant.

I didn't forget. It's irrelevant.

How convenient that you ignore the fact Vitor was on TRT, but Fedor gets a pass because he was "past his prime". Like I said, you Fedor/pride fanboys are pathetic.