This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

[GearSolidMetal]

Fedor was not at his peak when he fought Bigfoot.

Common opponents are irrelevant.

It's very relevant that BigFoot had his arms outstretched while in Fedor's guard.

 

[Ibm]

Prime fedor would definitely wreck cormier. But they are very similar except fedor is a bit bigger.

 

[1King]

That's completely irrelevant.

This has nothing to do with Cormier being more well rounded than the fighters Fedor subbed. It's about him having a sticking flaw that keeps showing again and again and one which Fedor would easily be able to exploit given his skills from bottom. Well roundness has nothing to do with it. Cormier rests his arm where he shouldn't, that = getting armbarred by primer Fedor. Plain and Simple.

Cheers.

Fedor has a sticking flaw, where he gets beat down by fighters that are way worse than Cormier, like Big Foot and Henderson. That= Cormier fucking him up. Plain and Simple.

Cheers.

 

[Mixfight]

There is a lot of nonsense in this thread.

Fedor has an incredible armlock. His hips were explosive. That armlock from the first Coleman fight was incredibly fast and slick for a HW.

Coleman has fought some good BJJ black belts. Shogun is black belt under Christiano Marcelo, Bonnar is a Renzo blackbelt and neither of them came CLOSE to submitting or armlocking Coleman. Especially not even close to the way Fedor did it. That was like 2004 too, you dont even see LHWS or HWS today throwing up armlocks that effectively TODAY. Definitely better armlock from his back than Gus or even Barnett when he was in his prime.

That was prime Fedor though and in his prime he was a great, strong, powerful grappler who had a great blend of skill and power to maneuver and explode with great effectiveness. By the time Fedor got old, his grappling regressed a lot. His Kimura attempt on Rogers was terrible where he lost position and got GnPd. Tried the same on Bigfoot and lost position as well. Allowed BF to pass his guard way too easily. Allowed Hendo to scramble out of the back door and KO him way too easily. You could see his fight reflexes were deteriorating and he was well past his prime.

Perhaps he COULD armlock DC if DC isnt respectful and aware of it similar to what happened to Jones against Vitor, however its something that I think DC could only be fooled by once at most. Its not a move I see Fedor getting a lot on a strong olympic wrestler like DC who is a legitimate BJJ brown belt as well. Anyone who trains understands that wont be a high percentage sub for Fedor against DC.

I wouldnt pick prime Fedor over DC because of his subs. Id pick a Prime Fedor over DC because DC has questionable cardio and Fedor had incredible aggression and workrate and pace for a whole 10 minute first round if he had to and he wouldnt be easily for DC to bully around. Watching Frank Mir stuff some of DC shots and kick him in the gut repeatedly tells me prime Fedor could have had a great chance as well.

The truth is in the middle. Prime Fedor vs DC would be an incredible fight. I got Fedor but DC is a legendary fighter as well.

 

[Mixfight]

Coleman's elbow is literally in the crook of Fedor's shoulder with the brunt of his weight directed towards that side. Fedor was better off his back than Josh or Gus, so maybe he'd force Cormier to make that mistake, but nothing from those pictures suggests that Cormier is one hip-shift away from an auto-sub.

I'd love to see Nelson pull off an armbar from his position in that picture.

I do think Fedor at his best beats Cormier, but it's not because Cormier has extended his arms in guard previously (as if anyone who fights from the top hasn't). It's because he had a high workrate and terrific cardio in his prime. Cormier is not a great late-round fighter and he doesn't take body shots well.

This is one of the better posts and perspectives in this thread.

 

[HOLA]

Dc would beat that ass, both at the buffett and in a fight.

 

[Mr Wings]

No way. DC today would absolutely dominate prime Fedor. Kinda like a prolonged version of what Randleman did.

Lose?

 

[Mr Wings]

Cormier blitzed TRT Bigfoot in minutes. He would drop fedor in the first round and gnp him into oblivion.

Lol at thinking fedor could Zulu someone of Cormier skills. Maybe if fedor could get past Bigfoot we would of seen this fight. In the end he just got smashed.

Ten times a day some fucktard brings up fights from the END of a fighter's career and tries to use it to discredit their entire career. It's a stupid trick that's easy to see through.

Fedor would wreck Big Foot if they fought today.

 

[Mr Wings]

or cormier just lifts him up if he tries and dumps him on his head.

go write some long bullshit post about how much anderson sucks you fuckin dork lmao.

This is pure fantasy. Go watch pro wrestling.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

I know this is a joke, but chances are it's pass bait.

 

[Redhawks100]

Ten times a day some fucktard brings up fights from the END of a fighter's career and tries to use it to discredit their entire career. It's a stupid trick that's easy to see through.

Fedor would wreck Big Foot if they fought today.

The old man in this gif would wreck Bigfoot if they fought today.

 

[Mopad]

I'm a big Fedor fan, but it's hard for me to get behind "prime Fedor" arguments in relation to an opponent who's only two years his junior. Current Fedor has the ability to beat anyone today if he trains properly, doesn't mindlessly brawl like he did in his three losses and joins a top gym. All the top heavyweights, give or take, are around his age.

 

[garwoc]

In terms of sub grappling that's really a significant unknown in this fight and I would argue one a few potential big fantasy matchups involving Fedor. Theres IMHO a tendancy to claim fighters have high level sub defence when actually they've never really been tested, Cain for example was claimed to have this pre Werdum and many thought he'd beat him up from top position.

This is true. I also thought Cain would win from top position especially after how comfortable Hunt seemed in Werdum's guard.

Rashad is another who seemingly has great sub defense never really been in any trouble but you could argue he's never been properly tested.

 

[Source]

It's not even about who's better on the ground, that is actually irrelevant. DC keeps making the EXACT same mistake Coleman did. They're both top notch wrestlers with subpar sub defense.

How many times has DC been submitted exactly with this sub par sub-defense?

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

It's very relevant that BigFoot had his arms outstretched while in Fedor's guard.

Eh, not really.

The length of his arms/location of the joint plays a role too.

 

[gspieler]

@NoBiasJustMMA is so salty that Cormier edges him everywhere except submissions.

Dude was getting worked by Hunt, Coleman, Lindland, Bigfoot, Hendo....

Yet he'd just destroy Cormier? Lol damn you Pride fans are a pathetic bunch.

If only Fedor could beat Bigfoot we would've saw that fight. You know, the Bigfoot that Cormier finished with absolute ease. Didn't Cormier rag doll and put Hendo to sleep as well? What happened when Fedor fought Hendo?

Fedor's indestructible! Which is why he was rocked by Bigfoot, Hendo, Fujita, and CroCop. He had great TDD! Which is why he was taken down from a body lock by Matt fucking Lindland and slammed like a child against Randleman!

Delusional kids. Go back to your corner, NoBias.

Nope...

Boxing/kickboxing- Fedor
Clinch fighting- wash
TD's/GNP- wash
Tdd- Cormier
Guard work- Fedor
Subs- Fedor
Transitions- Fedor
Strength/Power- wash
Speed- wash
Stamina- Fedor
Chin- ???
Fight iq- wash

 

[riddleofsteel]

Thing is the only time Fedor pulled off such a slick arm bar was against Mark Coleman. Hammer house in general is known for having a sub par sub game.

DC and Jones both maul Fedor.

Additionally, Coleman was 40 years old and far past his prime.

 

[Claude]

It's very relevant that BigFoot had his arms outstretched while in Fedor's guard.

Bigfoot was in half guard and then full mount. It's not the same, sonny.

And again that's 2011 Fedor. Fedor got sloppier on the ground later in his career.

So yeah, irrelevant.

 

[Claude]

Fedor has a sticking flaw, where he gets beat down by fighters that are way worse than Cormier, like Big Foot and Henderson. That= Cormier fucking him up. Plain and Simple.

Cheers.

lol more newbie posts.

 

[Claude]

How many times has DC been submitted exactly with this sub par sub-defense?

The real question is: how many fighters with good armbars from botton has DC fought?

And the answer is none.