This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

[ABSthetics]

That is a disappointing answer considering you should've had tons of examples of wrestlers subbing bjj black belts, since it happens "often".

U wot m9? I asked what kind of results did you want? Did you read? As some people here like to shit and nitpick on everything, some of these wrestlers have belts in BJJ. I didn't know if that counted for you or not. But Ill be more than happy to list ya.

 

[Mixfight]

I am pointing out HABITS. Things DC does not in one fight but in nearly all of his fights. I'm not saying "Fedor subbed Coleman so he would sub DC". I'm showing how DC constantly puts himself in positions that would be absolutely terrible when fighting a prime Fedor.

There I explained it like you were 5. Hope you don't come up with another silly post.

Cheers.

First Id like to say I respect you as a poster.

BUT

You have to understand that even great fighters have habits that could potentially be capitalized on.

Fedor gives up positon all the time which is a horrible habit. Gave his back to Coleman and got away with it. Randleman got his back and nearly killed him. Let Hendo scramble out from sidemount and get his back knocked him out. Someone can post pics and gifs of all that shit and say DC could do the same thing. Its just not intelligent debate.

Those are poor habits from Fedor and it doesnt mean they would be exploited every time he fights a good wrestler just like DC getting armlocked by Fedor shouldnt be a lock either.


DC is incredibly strong, increidbly powerful, olympic wrestler who is also a legitimate brown belt in BJJ and rolls with black belts every single day. He has poor habits just like every fighter but its silly to think hed get armlocked every time he goes to the ground with Fedor.

If you watch DC's grappling against Henderson his control, sidemount, heaviness was far better than Fedor's was against Hendo. More tight and more technical.

 

[shortlefthook]

If you want to talk facts, Fedor has way more top10 wins than DC without ever going down to LHW too. Fedor has beaten better competition. Who has DC ever beat as good as prime Cro Crop or prime Nog? No one. His best wins are Rumbe, Gus (205) and past prime Mir + Barnett.

Dan henderson beat nog, dan henderson also beat fedor, dc beat henderson.... And AJ would sleep cro cop faster than brendan shuab did.
So theres your answer

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Cormier would humiliate Fedor worse than Henderson did.

 

[mkt]

First Id like to say I respect you as a poster.

BUT

You have to understand that even great fighters have habits that could potentially be capitalized on.

Fedor gives up positon all the time which is a horrible habit. Gave his back to Coleman and got away with it. Randleman got his back and nearly killed him. Let Hendo scramble out from sidemount and get his back knocked him out. Someone can post pics and gifs of all that shit and say DC could do the same thing. Its just not intelligent debate.

Those are poor habits from Fedor and it doesnt mean they would be exploited every time he fights a good wrestler just like DC getting armlocked by Fedor shouldnt be a lock either.


DC is incredibly strong, increidbly powerful, olympic wrestler who is also a legitimate brown belt in BJJ and rolls with black belts every single day. He has poor habits just like every fighter but its silly to think hed get armlocked every time he goes to the ground with Fedor.

If you watch DC's grappling against Henderson his control, sidemount, heaviness was far better than Fedor's was against Hendo. More tight and more technical.

Good points. Also, people forget Coleman was over 40 when he fought Fedor (both times) and he was still the same 1990s Hammer House wrestler. Maurice Smith wrote the script for beating him in 1997, and Coleman left the UFC on a 3-fight losing streak in 2000.

To compare Coleman with Cormier is simply insane.

Remember, both Fedor and Cormier fought the same TRT Bigfoot within about 8 months. Someone remind how those fights went?

 

[mkt]

If you want to talk facts, Fedor has way more top10 wins than DC without ever going down to LHW too. Fedor has beaten better competition. Who has DC ever beat as good as prime Cro Crop or prime Nog? No one. His best wins are Rumbe, Gus (205) and past prime Mir + Barnett.

Garbage. "Prime" Cro Cop and Big Nog were both exposed in the UFC just a couple of years after Fedor beat them. Both were still in their early 30s. I'd bet on Rumble against either one.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Perhaps my favorite cherry-picked Fedor nuthugger stat: The ol' "beat 5 UFC champs!" Well, in an 8 fight career, Lesnat managed to win a UFC title, defend it twice, and beat 3 UFC champs along the way. "But..but...b...b..b...but" LOL Top 3 HWs: 1-JDS 2-Werdum 3. (Fedor\Cain)...enjoy the fights!


P.S.
Remember, me placing him in a tie for 3rd means I have no respect for him and am clearly a UFC fanboy...lol

 

[Mixfight]

Good points. Also, people forget Coleman was over 40 when he fought Fedor (both times) and he was still the same 1990s Hammer House wrestler. Maurice Smith wrote the script for beating him in 1997, and Coleman left the UFC on a 3-fight losing streak in 2000.

To compare Coleman with Cormier is simply insane.

Remember, both Fedor and Cormier fought the same TRT Bigfoot within about 8 months. Someone remind how those fights went?

This is pretty silly.

Fedor had a great armlock. His armlock in the first Coleman fight was incredible. I dont care if COleman was 40. Shogun is a legit black belt in BJJ under Christiano Marcelo, Bonnar is a Renzo black belt and they never even came CLOSE to subbing or armlocking an even older Coleman in their fights as smoothly as Fedor did. Keep that in mind.

You're speaking of Fedor as if he was in his prime when he lost to Bigfoot. That couldnt be further from the truth. Fedor's coaches have said he was slowing down around the Arlovski fight and he already lost in Combat Sambo prior to that. Was Fedor completely shot when he fought BF? No, but he wasnt anything close to what he was in Pride FC.

Garbage. "Prime" Cro Cop and Big Nog were both exposed in the UFC just a couple of years after Fedor beat them. Both were still in their early 30s. I'd bet on Rumble against either one.

Actually, your post is garbage. Mirko and Nog were past their primes by the time they were in the UFC.

By the time Mirko lost in the UFC he had 30 fights in mixfight and 30 fights in kick box and 40 fights in amateur box. He was 3-4 years past his prime by the time he lost in the UFC. But I bet marks like you would say he was in his Prime when he was in the UFC just because he won that gift wrapped Pride 2006 HWGP where he beat Minowa, Yoshida, Juiced up 230lb Wand and a gassed Barnett who had a war with Minotauro earlier that night.

Big Nog had 36 fights of mileage on him by the time he came to the UFC and ridiculous wear and tear on his body. You would consider that he was in his prime then when he was a world champion in Pride FC 5 years before even coming to the UFC?

Sure Fedor, Mirko and Nog were sitll great fighters during their UFC and SF runs but they werent close to what they once were. They had good fights and still showed flashes of brilliance but all the great fighters do that even at old age.

I bet you think Kobe Bryant is still in his prime because he scored 60 points in his last game just because you saw Randy fight into his 40s.


Like I said your posts are pure garbage.

 

[DayV]

Garbage. "Prime" Cro Cop and Big Nog were both exposed in the UFC just a couple of years after Fedor beat them. Both were still in their early 30s. I'd bet on Rumble against either one.

UFC rules do not suite Cro Cop, try to imagine how would Cain Velasquez do in PRIDE rules and ring with no fence, no elbows and no clinch.

 

[DayV]

This is pretty silly.

But I bet marks like you would say he was in his Prime when he was in the UFC just because he won that gift wrapped Pride 2006 HWGP where he beat Minowa, Yoshida, Juiced up 230lb Wand and a gassed Barnett who had a war with Minotauro earlier that night.

Nothing was gifted, he had excellent and inspired performance all the way.

Minowa beat dozen Heavyweights: Gilbert Yvel, Don Frye, Stefan Leko, Kimo Leopoldo, Giant Silva, Bob Sapp, Errol Zimmerman, Hong Man Choi, Jimmy Ambriz, Sokoudjou, Plotcheck, Eric "Butterbean" Esh... and got nickname "Giant Killer".

Yoshida was Olympic judo gold medalist, was on 7-3 fat positive record upon Cro Cop fight, all 7 wins by submission. Submitted HW's: Mark Hunt, Don Frye, Tank Abott, Maurice Smith, Ogawa, Masaaki Satake...

Wanderlei was then current 5 years reigning LHW champion, just avenged his GP loss and defended title v Arona and knocked out HW Fujita in 1/4 finals.

Barnett was elite HW, and it's entierly his fault that he didn't finish Nog earlier and got more rest.

 

[Mixfight]

Nothing was gifted, he had excellent and inspired performance all the way.

Minowa beat dozen Heavyweights: Gilbert Yvel, Don Frye, Stefan Leko, Kimo Leopoldo, Giant Silva, Bob Sapp, Errol Zimmerman, Hong Man Choi, Jimmy Ambriz, Sokoudjou, Plotcheck, Eric "Butterbean" Esh... and got nickname "Giant Killer".

Yoshida was Olympic judo gold medalist, was on 7-3 fat positive record upon Cro Cop fight, all 7 wins by submission. Submitted HW's: Mark Hunt, Don Frye, Tank Abott, Maurice Smith, Ogawa, Masaaki Satake...

Wanderlei was then current 5 years reigning LHW champion, just avenged his GP loss and defended title v Arona and knocked out HW Fujita in 1/4 finals.

Barnett was elite HW, and it's entierly his fault that he didn't finish Nog earlier and got more rest.

Minowa submitted a dozen white belt kick boxers.

Yoshida really put up a great fight against Mirko.

Wanderlei was the slowest, and juiced up Iv ever seen. He was swinging at air and getting countered.

Barnett was elite but fought a war with Minotauro that same night.

Mirko's GP win was gift wrapped as fuck.

 

[DayV]

Minowa submitted a dozen white belt kick boxers.

Yoshida really put up a great fight against Mirko.

Wanderlei was the slowest, and juiced up Iv ever seen. He was swinging at air and getting countered.

Barnett was elite but fought a war with Minotauro that same night.

Mirko's GP win was gift wrapped as fuck.

You are talking nonsense, better accept the facts.

Leko and Zimmerman are world class kickboxers with multiple participations in K-1 Grand Prix and many big wins. Don Frye, Kimo Leopoldo, Gilbert Yvel are acomplished MMA HW's and giants like Silva, Sapp, Choi that are twice bigger than Minowa and have enormous power, enough to beat legends like Hoost and Schilt. And Minowa beat them all and that says a lot about his skill and ability to beat bigger guys and give credit to Cro Cop's win.

Yoshida was the most skillful submission artist of that time, next to Nogueira. Submitted HW's like Mark Hunt, Don Frye, Ogawa, Maruice Smith, Satake.

Wanderlei was not slow, was LHW champ and knocked out Fujita. It was simply almost perfect performance by Mirko.

Considering Barnett, it was the same for all. 2 fights in one night, you have to beat 2 opponents to become the champion. How you do it is entirely up to you. If he wasn't able to finish Nog sooner, it is totally his fault.

 

[Mixfight]

You are talking nonsense, better accept the facts.

Leko and Zimmerman are world class kickboxers with multiple participations in K-1 Grand Prix and many big wins. Don Frye, Kimo Leopoldo, Gilbert Yvel are acomplished MMA HW's and giants like Silva, Sapp, Choi that are twice bigger than Minowa and have enormous power, enough to beat legends like Hoost and Schilt. And Minowa beat them all and that says a lot about his skill and ability to beat bigger guys and give credit to Cro Cop's win.

Yoshida was the most skillful submission artist of that time, next to Nogueira. Submitted HW's like Mark Hunt, Don Frye, Ogawa, Maruice Smith, Satake.

Wanderlei was not slow, was LHW champ and knocked out Fujita. It was simply almost perfect performance by Mirko.

Considering Barnett, it was the same for all. 2 fights in one night, you have to beat 2 opponents to become the champion. How you do it is entirely up to you. If he wasn't able to finish Nog sooner, it is totally his fault.

LOL Minowa is a bum with 40 losses, a jobber. You bragging about him submitting a novice grapplers who spent their lives kick boxing is like a kick boxer bragging about KOing a pure BJJ practitioner in kick box rules fight. Its quite silly really. In MMA Minowa is a bum jobber who got clobbered by MWs like Phil Baroni. If hiim fighting a #2 ranked HW and top 5 p4p fighter like Mirko isnt a gift wrap I dont know what is.

I respect Yoshida-san a lot but lets be real here his record was 7-4 coming into the Mirko fight. You're bragging about him subbing Mark Hunt in Hunts FIRST EVER mma fight LOL. Yoshida is a guy who got KOd by bum ass James Thompson and went life and death with a 175lb Royce Gracie. If you think that wasnt a gift wrap opponent for fucking CRO COP I dont really know what to say either. Just look at how ineffective Yoshida was in that fight. He lost to lead leg low kicks LOL

Im a big fan of Wanderlei and he was a DECENT opponent but anyone who has seen him in his peak form knows he was in very poor form against Mirko that night. Slow, heavy, weighing like 230lbs and swinging wild haymakers and mostly hitting the air. Sure he beat Fujita but Im not going to say that this was a difficult fight for Mirko. Mirko kicked Wands head into the 14th row after picking him apart and not even being hit.

Barnett fought a WAR with Minotauro. Mirko KOd Wand in the first round with relative ease. Barnett had a difficult road to the GP all together unlike Mirko who beat two cans, a juiced up Wand and gassed out Barnett.

 

[DayV]

LOL Minowa is a bum with 40 losses, a jobber. You bragging about him submitting a novice grapplers who spent their lives kick boxing is like a kick boxer bragging about KOing a pure BJJ practitioner in kick box rules fight. Its quite silly really. In MMA Minowa is a bum jobber who got clobbered by MWs like Phil Baroni. If hiim fighting a #2 ranked HW and top 5 p4p fighter like Mirko isnt a gift wrap I dont know what is.

I respect Yoshida-san a lot but lets be real here his record was 7-4 coming into the Mirko fight. You're bragging about him subbing Mark Hunt in Hunts FIRST EVER mma fight LOL. Yoshida is a guy who got KOd by bum ass James Thompson and went life and death with a 175lb Royce Gracie. If you think that wasnt a gift wrap opponent for fucking CRO COP I dont really know what to say either. Just look at how ineffective Yoshida was in that fight. He lost to lead leg low kicks LOL

Im a big fan of Wanderlei and he was a DECENT opponent but anyone who has seen him in his peak form knows he was in very poor form against Mirko that night. Slow, heavy, weighing like 230lbs and swinging wild haymakers and mostly hitting the air. Sure he beat Fujita but Im not going to say that this was a difficult fight for Mirko. Mirko kicked Wands head into the 14th row after picking him apart and not even being hit.

Barnett fought a WAR with Minotauro. Mirko KOd Wand in the first round with relative ease. Barnett had a difficult road to the GP all together unlike Mirko who beat two cans, a juiced up Wand and gassed out Barnett.

Yvel, Don Frye, Kimo Leopoldo are experienced MMA fighters. Minowa beat dozen HW's, and he had skill to beat much bigger opponents from top stand up fighters to well rounded MMA HW's, to giants, and he was dangerous for Cro Cop or anyone.
Yoshida was 7-3 at that time, more than double positive record. He could submit absolutely anyone then if he got him to the ground.
It is absolutely not true that Wand was slow, there is no evidence for that, and it is imossible to prove, except nonsense trash talking, Mirko was simply too good, too prepared and focused.
Do not quote me that Barnett fought a war, it is totally irrelevant. It was a tournament system. Have you ever watched K-1 Grand Prix or Pride GP, or UFC tournaments? All credit goes to Mirko who finished Wand but injured foot on his head. If Barnett wasn't able to finish Nog in 2 minutes, it is entirely his fault and his problem, it does not take away anything from Cro Cop's win. It's the way how tournaments work. Cro Cop could have also fought Wand for 15 minutes, or injured himself, or lost. But all credit for win goes to him.

 

[KONE]

Mercifully wastelanded

 

[shortlefthook]

This thread is even more stupid after watching that fabio fight.

 

[Claude]

This thread is even more stupid after watching that fabio fight.

Absolutely, because Fedor is in his prime.

lol you dummy.

 

[Claude]

First Id like to say I respect you as a poster.

BUT

You have to understand that even great fighters have habits that could potentially be capitalized on.

Fedor gives up positon all the time which is a horrible habit. Gave his back to Coleman and got away with it. Randleman got his back and nearly killed him. Let Hendo scramble out from sidemount and get his back knocked him out. Someone can post pics and gifs of all that shit and say DC could do the same thing. Its just not intelligent debate.

Those are poor habits from Fedor and it doesnt mean they would be exploited every time he fights a good wrestler just like DC getting armlocked by Fedor shouldnt be a lock either.


DC is incredibly strong, increidbly powerful, olympic wrestler who is also a legitimate brown belt in BJJ and rolls with black belts every single day. He has poor habits just like every fighter but its silly to think hed get armlocked every time he goes to the ground with Fedor.

If you watch DC's grappling against Henderson his control, sidemount, heaviness was far better than Fedor's was against Hendo. More tight and more technical.

"he got away with it"?

Yeah, that's called sub defense. You should check it out. Fedor tucked his chin, moved his head sideways, controlled Coleman's arms. That's how you defend a choke. Henderson had his head sticking out and his neck completely exposed when he got RNC'd. You think that's proof Cormier would choke Fedor? lol

And lmao at Randleman almost killing Fedor. Literally, the moment Fedor landed on his back he tried to roll over. Then he reversed Kevin about 8 seconds later. How does that help DC's case? If anything it proves DC could slam Fedor and it would be worth shit.

Cheers.

 

[shortlefthook]

Absolutely, because Fedor is in his prime.

lol you dummy.

His prime was beating lower caliber fighters?
Pretty sure werdum beat him in his prime and hes still competing at the top level today, cry about it

 

[Claude]

His prime was beating lower caliber fighters?

Pretty sure werdum beat him in his prime and hes still competing at the top level today, cry about it