This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

[dc007]

How did TS type all that with Fedor's balls in his mouth?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Bigfoot was in half guard and then full mount. It's not the same, sonny.

And again that's 2011 Fedor. Fedor got sloppier on the ground later in his career.

So yeah, irrelevant.

About as relevant as stating the same armbar technique that worked on relatively inexperienced grapplers, would work on an olympic alternate wrestler that has never came close to being submitted in his entire MMA career.

The armbar technique isn't exactly advanced, it's actually elementary, closer to intermediate in skill. Fedor had the expertise and strength to slap it on at will. It was impressive, but to imply it'd just as easily work on DC is delusional.

 

[ABSthetics]

DC would destroy any version of Fedor and made it look easy. Would've loved to laugh at DC literally flinging Fedor's deflated ass all over the cage.

 

[Claude]

Coleman's elbow is literally in the crook of Fedor's shoulder with the brunt of his weight directed towards that side. Fedor was better off his back than Josh or Gus, so maybe he'd force Cormier to make that mistake, but nothing from those pictures suggests that Cormier is one hip-shift away from an auto-sub.

I'd love to see Nelson pull off an armbar from his position in that picture.

I do think Fedor at his best beats Cormier, but it's not because Cormier has extended his arms in guard previously (as if anyone who fights from the top hasn't). It's because he had a high workrate and terrific cardio in his prime. Cormier is not a great late-round fighter and he doesn't take body shots well.

Cormier's arm doesn't need to be that deep for Fedor to armbarr him.

This is Fedor's starting position. Notice neither the arm or elbow are deep.

Cormier is not only putting his arm in the danger zone, but he's leaving more than enough space to move the hips and secure the armbar.

 

[Claude]

About as relevant as stating the same armbar technique that worked on relatively inexperienced grapplers, would work on an olympic alternate wrestler that has never came close to being submitted in his entire MMA career.

The armbar technique isn't exactly advanced, it's actually elementary, closer to intermediate in skill. Fedor had the expertise and strength to slap it on at will. It was impressive, but to imply it'd just as easily work on DC is delusional.

Again Bigfoot had half guard and full mount. Different positions and different periods of time. Not sure what are you're even bringing this up. It's 100% irrelevant.

Wrestlers come to MMA with tons of bad habits because their sport doesn't have joint locks . It's actually not rare seeing world class wrestlers getting easily tapped out in MMA. And lol at inexperienced grapplers. Ogawa, an olympic judo medalist (judo does have armbars in case you didn't know), Lindland? really?. You think they're inexperienced in subs while Cormier isn't?

lulz

The armbar technique isn't exactly advanced, it's actually elementary, closer to intermediate in skill. Fedor had the expertise and strength to slap it on at will. It was impressive, but to imply it'd just as easily work on DC is delusional.

If he does what he always does, it would be easy.

 

[ABSthetics]

Again Bigfoot had half guard and full mount. Different positions and different periods of time. Not sure what are you're even bringing this up. It's 100% irrelevant.

Wrestlers come to MMA with tons of bad habits because their sport doesn't have joint locks . It's actually not rare seeing world class wrestlers getting easily tapped out in MMA. And lol at inexperienced grapplers. Ogawa, an olympic judo medalist (judo does have armbars in case you didn't know), Lindland? really?. You think they're inexperienced in subs while Cormier isn't?

lulz


If he does what he always does, it would be easy.

We also see a lot of world class wrestlers subbing legit BJJ blackbelts and tooling far more experience MMA wrestlers and grapplers quite often to be fair.

 

[Claude]

We also see a lot of world class wrestlers subbing legit BJJ blackbelts and tooling far more experience MMA wrestlers and grapplers quite often to be fair.

Quite often?

Can you post several examples of wrestlers subbing bjj black belts from recent times?

Not saying it hasn't happened but i'm pretty sure it doesn't happen often as you claim. Bjj based fighters sub wrestlers way more often than the other way around. Actually Chael Sonnen has probably been subbed more times than bjj black belts have ever been subbed by wrestlers lol

 

[mjfan23]

Cormier ran away from the HW division why would there even be an argument about him vs the greatest HW fighter ever?

 

[ABSthetics]

Quite often?

Can you post several examples of wrestlers subbing bjj black belts from recent times?

Not saying it hasn't happened but i'm pretty sure it doesn't happen often as you claim. Bjj based fighters sub wrestlers way more often than the other way around. Actually Chael Sonnen has probably been subbed more times than bjj black belts have ever been subbed by wrestlers lol

Team Alpha male has choked the fuck out of quite a few legit BJJ black belts, especially Faber, but how specific do you want to go as some of these wrestlers actually hold belts in BJJ now. I can give you at least like 10 matches where a top level wrestler submitted or just utterly dominated a legit black belt on the ground.

There are even standouts like Weidman with 6 months of BJJ training pushing everyone's shit in and giving Galvao a run for his money.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

I actually think Prime Fedor would beat Cormier. But its all irreelvant now. Fedor is only 2 years older than Cormier and could easily make this fight happen if he wanted. But instead he decides to hide and avoid the UFC.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Again Bigfoot had half guard and full mount. Different positions and different periods of time. Not sure what are you're even bringing this up. It's 100% irrelevant.

Wrestlers come to MMA with tons of bad habits because their sport doesn't have joint locks . It's actually not rare seeing world class wrestlers getting easily tapped out in MMA. And lol at inexperienced grapplers. Ogawa, an olympic judo medalist (judo does have armbars in case you didn't know), Lindland? really?. You think they're inexperienced in subs while Cormier isn't?

lulz

If he does what he always does, it would be easy.

Your method of 'proving' your theory is mere devolution of MMA math.

And when people are bringing up valid points, holes in your theory that the Titanic could sail through, your reply is just 'irrevelvant this, irrelevant that.' You're like Al Gore if he was to defend all his disproven theories in his false documentary 'An Inconvenient Truth.'

Reality Check - DC is a better wrestler and grappler than each of the wrestlers Fedor successfully used that armbar technique to defeat.

And you've neglected all the times that DC has defended against the same armbar attempt when he was in guard.

Oh, you never bothered to research which of DC's opponents tried it? Yes, because you're delusional enough to believe that none of DC's opponents attempted an armbar from the guard.

 

[samoajoe]

Cormier's arm doesn't need to be that deep for Fedor to armbarr him.

This is Fedor's starting position. Notice neither the arm or elbow are deep.

Cormier is not only putting his arm in the danger zone, but he's leaving more than enough space to move the hips and secure the armbar.

This means nothing at all. All you keep showing is that Fedor knows how to throw up a decent arm bar. Fact is in MMA he has never caught anyone worth a damn with it and DC has never been subbed and is higher level then anyone Fedor has faced.

Sorry bud but I have history being on DCs side in this one.

 

[Thuckey]

The speed and accuracy at which Fedor transitions from a idle position to BOOM automatic armbar position is unmatched in mma... it's like he suddenly POPS into an already-in-progress armbar that takes his opponent completely off guard every time. Hard to deny that he would have a good chance to defeat Cormier in his prime if he fought like you posted in those pics.

 

[Claude]

Your method of 'proving' your theory is mere devolution of MMA math.

And when people are bringing up valid points, holes in your theory that the Titanic could sail through, your reply is just 'irrevelvant this, irrelevant that.' You're like Al Gore if he was to defend all his disproven theories in his false documentary 'An Inconvenient Truth.'

Reality Check - DC is a better wrestler and grappler than each of the wrestlers Fedor successfully used that armbar technique to defeat.

And you've neglected all the times that DC has defended against the same armbar attempt when he was in guard.

Oh, you never bothered to research which of DC's opponents tried it? Yes, because you're delusional enough to believe that none of DC's opponents attempted an armbar from the guard.

More irrelevant stuff.

It doesn't matter whether Cormier is a better wrestler or fighter because he's making the exact same mistakes the other "inferior" grapplers did. That pretty much destroys your argument. Lol when are you going to understand that? If Cormier didn't leave himself opened for armbars and i assumed Fedor would sub him, then i would have a flawed argument. But i'm not doing that.

I'm not using mmath, YOU are. You keep bringing up Bigfoot and comparing DC with the guys Fedor subbed. That is no other thing but mmath. I am pointing out HABITS. Things DC does not in one fight but in nearly all of his fights. I'm not saying "Fedor subbed Coleman so he would sub DC". I'm showing how DC constantly puts himself in positions that would be absolutely terrible when fighting a prime Fedor.

There I explained it like you were 5. Hope you don't come up with another silly post.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

This means nothing at all. All you keep showing is that Fedor knows how to throw up a decent arm bar. Fact is in MMA he has never caught anyone worth a damn with it and DC has never been subbed and is higher level then anyone Fedor has faced.

Sorry bud but I have history being on DCs side in this one.

Read my post above.

Cheers.

 

[kingskot]

Nuh-uh, you guys, my guy would definitely beat up your guy, and my dad's tougher than your dad!!!

 

[Claude]

Team Alpha male has choked the fuck out of quite a few legit BJJ black belts, especially Faber, but how specific do you want to go as some of these wrestlers actually hold belts in BJJ now. I can give you at least like 10 matches where a top level wrestler submitted or just utterly dominated a legit black belt on the ground.

There are even standouts like Weidman with 6 months of BJJ training pushing everyone's shit in and giving Galvao a run for his money.

That is a disappointing answer considering you should've had tons of examples of wrestlers subbing bjj black belts, since it happens "often".

 

[MMAFanX]

Claudes opinions are similar to Fedors skill set, completely outdated.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

More irrelevant stuff.

It doesn't matter whether Cormier is a better wrestler or fighter because he's making the exact same mistakes the other "inferior" grapplers did. That pretty much destroys your argument. Lol when are you going to understand that? If Cormier didn't leave himself opened for armbars and i assumed Fedor would sub him, then i would have a flawed argument. But i'm not doing that.

I'm not using mmath, YOU are. You keep bringing up Bigfoot and comparing DC with the guys Fedor subbed. That is no other thing but mmath. I am pointing out HABITS. Things DC does not in one fight but in nearly all of his fights. I'm not saying "Fedor subbed Coleman so he would sub DC". I'm showing how DC constantly puts himself in positions that would be absolutely terrible when fighting a prime Fedor.

There I explained it like you were 5. Hope you don't come up with another silly post.

Cheers.

Yet one more post full of delusion.

You haven't studied DC's fights because you can't site when an opponent attempted that full guard armbar.

And furthermore, you act like everytime Fedor attempted the full guard armbar, he got it. 100% success rate, huh?

Go ahead, say 'irrelevant' because it shines shades of reality upon you delusion.

 

[rakeleaves]

Lol you sound so salty.
No its not a video game but werdum, you're taking everything i said literal cause you're emotional.

Once bigfoot got ontop of fedor it was over which coincides with my point, because dc outstruck bigfoot and never allowed him to smother him in the same way.
Dan henderson was getting pressured and fedor was swinging his usual wild overhand rights (and it looks wild cause its wild) and once he got top position he kept swinging wild, dan slipped out and caught him with a right...
Did that happen to dc? No when dc got top position he secured it, hes far more compossed when it comes to striking and grappling.
The facts are dc has finished two guys convincingly that fedor lost to and got finished by FACTS, we can argue opinions all day long, but the FACTS speak for themselves.

And that could have been anybody to submit cain, you keep acting as if werdum caught cain when werdum was on his back, that submissions was secured before werdums ass ever hit the canvas, it would be an actual argument, if he caught cain in the triangle the first round, but he didn't his guard got passed.
Stop being so emotional, dc has beaten Better competition and finished guys fedor has gotten finished by..facts talk bullshit walks.

If you want to talk facts, Fedor has way more top10 wins than DC without ever going down to LHW too. Fedor has beaten better competition. Who has DC ever beat as good as prime Cro Crop or prime Nog? No one. His best wins are Rumbe, Gus (205) and past prime Mir + Barnett.