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This is how prime Fedor would have armbarred Cormier (PICS)

Fedor had some serious baby making hips. Almost no heavyweights could move like that off their back.
 
shortlefthook said:
Lol listen to yourself you sound so salty and delusional, cro cop how did he do in the ufc? He got kod by brendan shuab lol.
At cro cops best he wouldn't have beaten stipe, stipe is much bigger, stronger and has a better skill set for mma.
Cro cop was a KB with tdd, he even stated he wished there was no elbows on the ground and for more standups..this day of mma is very different you trying to claim any different is delusional, just read your post...its comical.
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Crocop even well past his best in his latter years never folded the way Rumble did vs Cormier.

You wonder how just how the cognitive dissonance will last with a fanbase that really buys into the hype that nobody declines there just "out evolved" when guys like Anderson that they've followed start to drop off, would these people seriously buy the idea that Silva lost to Bisping because Mike "carried on evolving" and would have beaten any version of Silva?

Sadly I think the nature of the UFC product is that its aimed at individuals who need a bit of an ego boost and enjoy living the fantasy that repeating simplistic promoter spiel makes them "experts".
 
moreorless87 said:
Crocop even well past his best in his latter years never folded the way Rumble did vs Cormier.

You wonder how just how the cognitive dissonance will last with a fanbase that really buys into the hype that nobody declines there just "out evolved" when guys like Anderson that they've followed start to drop off, would these people seriously buy the idea that Silva lost to Bisping because Mike "carried on evolving" and would have beaten any version of Silva?

Sadly I think the nature of the UFC product is that its aimed at individuals who need a bit of an ego boost and enjoy living the fantasy that repeating simplistic promoter spiel makes them "experts".
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Lol are you srs? Cro cop folded under pressure, whenever someone pushed him back was never able to get his feet set to utilize his kicks, his tdd was lightyears behind rumbles, you even trying to argue that is comical.
Cro cop never faced a wrestler of dcs caliber, and yet in his prime he got taken down by Lesser competition, everyone but you knows cro cops worst style match up is a pressure fighter, who can take him down, with an iron chin, mma evolves the fighters will tell you the same thing.
 
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shortlefthook said:
Lol are you srs? Cro cop folded under pressure, whenever someone pushed him back was never able to get his feet set to utilize his kicks, his tdd was lightyears behind rumbles, you even trying to argue that is comical.
Cro cop never faced a wrestler of dcs caliber, and yet in his prime he got taken down by Lesser competition, everyone but you knows cro cops worst style match up is a pressure fighter, who can take him down, with an iron chin, mma evolves the fighters will tell you the same thing.
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Lol, how many fights did you watch?
Absolutely everybody tryed to pressure Cro Cop in PRIDE but only ones that succeeded were Hunt (relatively) and Fedor. Everybody was trying to rush at him and take him down, especially ground fighters in early stages of his career wher it was tought that he had absolutely no ground game. . He beat all the best wrestlers of his era: Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, Herring, Fujita, Sakuraba, Waterman, Kanehara even WWE champion Alberto Del Rio and New Japan Pro Wrestling champion Nagata. And they all tried to rush at him for takedown, and ones that managed to take him down weren't able to hurt him much due to his excellent guard with strong legs.
 
Sinthesized said:
Cormier has never been close to being submitted
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He's also never fought anyone that is good off their back except Mir and he completely avoided the ground game. It's kind of easy not to get submitted when your submission defense never got tested. Cain never got submitted either till he fought a guy good off his back that he took down.
 
Sinthesized said:
He wouldn't sub Cormier. Cormier is an elite wrestler and he does bjj and it translates incredibly well.
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Cain is an elite wrestler and he does BJJ too, the first time he ever had his submission defense tested it failed him.
 
I'd fancy Cormier over Fedor providing his cardio holds. Though if he does slow i could see Fedor catching him later in the fight.

I don't think the fight is as cut and dry as either side is making out but I would favour Cormier.
 
I think both fighters would have paths to win and it would be highly competitive/exciting

Sorry, was my post too reasonable for this thread?
 
garwoc said:
I'd fancy Cormier over Fedor providing his cardio holds. Though if he does slow i could see Fedor catching him later in the fight.

I don't think the fight is as cut and dry as either side is making out but I would favour Cormier.
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Why would you favor Cormier over Prime Fedor? The only advantage I see him having is wrestling, he's slower, his reaction time is slower, his striking isn't as good and his sub grappling isn't as good, Prime Fedor also mostly ragdolled people(he got thrown as well but by Randleman on roids), he was mostly a grappler in his prime but was also able to strike with prime Cro Cop on the feet and do well and make him look kind of slow in comparison.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
He's also never fought anyone that is good off their back except Mir and he completely avoided the ground game. It's kind of easy not to get submitted when your submission defense never got tested. Cain never got submitted either till he fought a guy good off his back that he took down.
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Lol cain chose to get subed he shot a shitty double with his head exposed to the left side, he was about to get kod, when cain had werdum on the ground first round he passed to side control immediately, werdum threw up a triangle and cain passed off that.
DayV said:
Lol, how many fights did you watch?
Absolutely everybody tryed to pressure Cro Cop in PRIDE but only ones that succeeded were Hunt (relatively) and Fedor. Everybody was trying to rush at him and take him down, especially ground fighters in early stages of his career wher it was tought that he had absolutely no ground game. . He beat all the best wrestlers of his era: Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, Herring, Fujita, Sakuraba, Waterman, Kanehara even WWE champion Alberto Del Rio and New Japan Pro Wrestling champion Nagata. And they all tried to rush at him for takedown, and ones that managed to take him down weren't able to hurt him much due to his excellent guard with strong legs.
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Those guys you mentioned, had almost zero technical striking, they were just wrestlers, and barnett fucked his shoulder up that fight.
This is a time in mma were you could shoot up hormones and swing with your head down and be crowned a champion, the game has evolved that shit doesn't work anymore, cro cop at his best like i said got taken down by lesser grapplers than dc.

NoBiasJustMMA said:
Why would you favor Cormier over Prime Fedor? The only advantage I see him having is wrestling, he's slower, his reaction time is slower, his striking isn't as good and his sub grappling isn't as good, Prime Fedor also mostly ragdolled people(he got thrown as well but by Randleman on roids), he was mostly a grappler in his prime but was also able to strike with prime Cro Cop on the feet and do well and make him look kind of slow in comparison.
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Dc striking is far Betterth than fedors wild brawling overhand right into a double leg td style, ask bigfoot.
All three of you are stuck in the stoneage, look at werdum back in the day now look at him now, thats proof enough the game has evovled.
 
shortlefthook said:
Lol cain chose to get subed he shot a shitty double with his head exposed to the left side, he was about to get kod, when cain had werdum on the ground first round he passed to side control immediately, werdum threw up a triangle and cain passed off that.

Those guys you mentioned, had almost zero technical striking, they were just wrestlers, and barnett fucked his shoulder up that fight.
This is a time in mma were you could shoot up hormones and swing with your head down and be crowned a champion, the game has evolved that shit doesn't work anymore, cro cop at his best like i said got taken down by lesser grapplers than dc.


Dc striking is far Betterth than fedors wild brawling overhand right into a double leg td style, ask bigfoot.
All three of you are stuck in the stoneage, look at werdum back in the day now look at him now, thats proof enough the game has evovled.
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Whatever you have to tell yourself. The first time his submission defense was tested he got submitted.

If DC's striking is better than why does he get hit more often and not finish or beat as many people with his striking?

Werdum has evolved from what he was because his striking and transition game was very lacking, he's still not as well rounded as Fedor was though, HW hasn't evolved, that's why most of the best HWs are years passed their primes. Arlovski is in the top 7 and he's over 5 years passed his prime.
 
Sinthesized said:
Lol you keep going on about Cain. He got beat because he was exhausted. End of.
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You are the one that brought up DC being a high level wrestler who trains BJJ so I used your logic against you, try to keep up.
 
Claude said:
Prime Fedor > all. If you try to debate this, you don't know the sport well enough.
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Thank goodness for some of the old guard on here who haven't been completely brainwashed by Dana White and the UFC propaganda machine.
 
You are comparing Coleman's armbar defense to DC's

What?
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
Whatever you have to tell yourself. The first time his submission defense was tested he got submitted.

If DC's striking is better than why does he get hit more often and not finish or beat as many people with his striking?

Werdum has evolved from what he was because his striking and transition game was very lacking, he's still not as well rounded as Fedor was though, HW hasn't evolved, that's why most of the best HWs are years passed their primes. Arlovski is in the top 7 and he's over 5 years passed his prime.
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Anyone whos not a retard knows cain gave werdum that sub, werdum didnt catch cain in a armbar, he took the sub cain gave him (head to the left durning DB is giving someone a guillotine, you think cain doesnt know that?)
He was about to get kod.
So a less well rounded werdum beat fedor...now werdum is atleast twice as good and hes still not as good as fedor? That sounds biased and doesnt add up.

Dcs striking is much Better, he actually jabs and sets up combinations, fedor put his head down and swung widly.
Ask bigfoot sivla who has better striking, or maybe ask dan henderson, i dont think i remember dc being kod by dan henderson hm.
 
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