Social The Way Conservatives Used to Talk About Immigration

[HomeCheese]

It's because even though you might not get through to them directly, the other people on the fence or outsiders looking in, won't think you're a lunatic and an asshole. They might get confused and think the toxic person is actually you. Does that make sense to you?

Obviously this doesn't apply face to face, but in a group or social setting it absolutely does.

So you think the casual observer will come in to this board, read my post THEN decide which side is more toxic. So I should be nicer to the maga creeps just in case?

Sorry but I'm not gonna normalize voting for a toxic POS rapist.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Weird thread since we KNOW the TS hates white Americans.

Is this true?

 

[Seano]

Ronald Reagan was down with teh immigrants and knew their worth to the nation

the border policy during the Reagan admin focused on naturalization, it was not pro illegal or undocumented immigrant, which you seem to be implying.

 

[Confucamus]

I saw this today and was struck at how our discourse has fallen. When did decency and compassion become old fashion? I hope everyone takes a few minutes to look at this and think about it. Some good thoughts in here and a couple of old guys I had voted for before.

<blockquote class="bluesky-embed" data-bluesky-uri="at://didlc:q6ukvk5emaykb35vqvjnk5zy/app.bsky.feed.post/3lqdskwlbtc2d" data-bluesky-cid="bafyreihu2rmxkms35kskmlmrj7tfara3ejdwmuq5qcx4unrfogtfiyltdy" data-bluesky-embed-color-mode="system"><p lang="en">How conservatives USED to talk about immigration:<br><br><a href="">[image or embed]</a></p>&mdash; Dream for America (<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:q6ukvk5emaykb35vqvjnk5zy?ref_src=embed">@dreamforamerica.bsky.social</a>) <a href="">May 29, 2025 at 12:51 PM</a></blockquote><script async src="https://embed.bsky.app/static/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lmao at using Bluesky.

 

[MichiganMMA1978]

I saw this today and was struck at how our discourse has fallen. When did decency and compassion become old fashion? I hope everyone takes a few minutes to look at this and think about it. Some good thoughts in here and a couple of old guys I had voted for before.

<blockquote class="bluesky-embed" data-bluesky-uri="at://didlc:q6ukvk5emaykb35vqvjnk5zy/app.bsky.feed.post/3lqdskwlbtc2d" data-bluesky-cid="bafyreihu2rmxkms35kskmlmrj7tfara3ejdwmuq5qcx4unrfogtfiyltdy" data-bluesky-embed-color-mode="system"><p lang="en">How conservatives USED to talk about immigration:<br><br><a href="">[image or embed]</a></p>&mdash; Dream for America (<a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:q6ukvk5emaykb35vqvjnk5zy?ref_src=embed">@dreamforamerica.bsky.social</a>) <a href="">May 29, 2025 at 12:51 PM</a></blockquote><script async src="https://embed.bsky.app/static/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cool, now do one about how the Dems used to talk about them

 

[shunyata]

I agree, fuck them both. But in this case, George W. Bush is a person the left despised and called a war criminal. He had a 6% approval rating amongst democrats at the end of his term, and liberal democrats had him at 2%:

Bush and Public Opinion

Overview: Bush and Public Opinion As George W. Bush prepares to leave the White House, the United States is in many ways dramatically different from when

www.pewresearch.org

So why is this historically deeply unpopular figure among the left now being used as a shining example of "conservatism"? Why is a person who was even more unpopular amongst democrats during his term being used as a glorious conservative?

Because the point is to show how far the discourse has shifted, how far the party has shifted.

That even Reagan, who many conservatives fawned over for years as if he were the second coming of Christ, would oppose Trump's policies on immigration, international trade, and diplomacy.

 

[cincymma79]

We needed more workers here, big labor shortage. On the other hand, with Trump tanking tourism our state revenue should be way down. Probably will be much less jobs.

Cool. We’re sending you unvetted Africans

 

[Scheme]

Because the point is to show how far the discourse has shifted, how far the party has shifted.

That even Reagan, who many conservatives fawned over for years as if he were the second coming of Christ, would oppose Trump's policies on immigration, international trade, and diplomacy.

Hitler was 'right-wing' as well. Should his opinion on immigration fuel today's discourse?

 

[Rational Poster]

Why do you morons keep playing that tired "agree on one thing = agree with everything and love them" strategy?

ElOn MUsK HaTes TrumP now sO the LefT LovEs hIM.

Meanwhile the left:

These guys can only handle binary thinking and absolutes.

They're not very smart people.

 

[Rational Poster]

the border policy during the Reagan admin focused on naturalization, it was not pro illegal or undocumented immigrant, which you seem to be implying.

Reagan granted nearly 3 million undocumented migrants amnesty.

 

[Striderxdj]

Reagan granted nearly 3 million undocumented migrants amnesty.

"I didn't use the term illegal, so it doesn't count."
- Ronald "open the border both ways" Reagan

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Ronald Reagan was down with teh immigrants and knew their worth to the nation

Yup.

Today, amnesty isn't even a mainstream left position, it's a far-left position. Absolutely too wild to be mainstream.

But it was the biggest right-wing icon of the past 50 years that passed it in the 80s

You might think "Yeah, well it's a different time now, we're absolutely swamped with illegals today!"

Let's take a look at 2015, when Trump ran and won on a promise to shut down the border because it was being overrun by hordes of illegals-

MAGAists don't have a leg to stand on on this issue. They're either hopelessly bigoted or hopelessly stupid.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The left's transformation into 1995 Republicans is almost complete.

 

[shunyata]

Hitler was 'right-wing' as well. Should his opinion on immigration fuel today's discourse?

A majority of current US conservative politicians view Regan fondly and have spoken fondly of him at length for years.

If a majority of US conservatives viewed Hitler fondly, then as abhorrent as that would be his policies and their effects would be highly relevant to today's discourse.

Even with only a small minority of US conservatives expressing that they view Hitler fondly (Bryce Mitchell), the effects of his policies absolutely already are and should be part of today's discourse.

 

[shunyata]

The left's transformation into 1995 Republicans is almost complete.

This is accurate, the democratic party is mostly capitalist neoliberals at this point with a progressive minority that is constantly being shut out of power by DNC leadership.

Obama and Clinton would be center right by European standards.

We don't have a leftist party in the US.

We have center right and far right.

 

[Crazy Source]

The left's transformation into 1995 Republicans is almost complete.

You actually hit on what has been a real shift to the right by both parties. I'm sure you didn't mean to, but congrats anyway.

 

[TheGreatA]

It's well-known that neo-cons are practically responsible for America's mass immigration and reliance on illegal immigrant labor. Obama was tough on borders.

 

[Scheme]

A majority of current US conservative politicians view Regan fondly and have spoken fondly of him at length for years.

If a majority of US conservatives viewed Hitler fondly, then as abhorrent as that would be his policies and their effects would be highly relevant to today's discourse.

Even with only a small minority of US conservatives expressing that they view Hitler fondly (Bryce Mitchell), the effects of his policies absolutely already are and should be part of today's discourse.

I don't think any of this has to do with policy or position. I think it all has to do with just hating on Trump. Because democrats (who had a 6% approval rating of Bush and a 2% approval rating amongst liberal democrats) hated Bush on his last day in office. So why are they using a person they absolutely despise as an example of what the other side should emulate?

It's because it's not about Bush. It's about hating Trump. That's all they really care about.

Also why does the OP think that all conservatives should be a single hivemind who can't disagree about immigration?

What kind of nonsense are you guys spouting. "Hey, here's a guy we've historically hated saying something, now you have to agree with it or you don't get to call yourself a part of the people that we also oppose". What kind of logic is that? Why would any conservative take an OP like that seriously?

 

[lowlife]

"We've built a system that rewards exploitation and punishes empathy, and then act surprised when the world turns cruel."

 

[HomeCheese]

Cool. We’re sending you unvetted Africans

Is that supposed to be a punishment? What's wrong with africans?