Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[zebby23]

You guys, it's an emergency, we need billions of dollars!!!

Did you spend the 1.3 billion we gave you last year for this "emergency"????

You guys, it's an emergen-

Over and over it goes.

It’s a vanity wall and I hope the next president issues an executive order to knock it down (if it ever even gets built)

The only emergency on our southern border is all the children who may never see their parents again because Trump separated them

 

[glenwo2]

^^^^^ Man....this thread has turned into a circle-jerk of fools.

I'm out until the verbal BJs between hill and andnowwesuck stop. GET A FUCKING ROOM, YOU TWO!

 

[Quipling]

Sorry man lol.

My research goes back 15 years into the kinds of things happening along the border. I know little to nothing about the rest of it.

I have another ignorant question though.

Can Trump use military funding to supplement the cost of a wall?

Per my above post, under 10 U.S. Code § 2808 , the president can use money appropriated but not yet obligated (dedicated) for military housing and related facilities to undertake "military construction projects" necessary to support the use of armed services in an emergency requiring the use of the armed services. I don't believe it is clear that a wall for border security would fall within that, and I think attempting to use it this way would leave it open to a constitutional separation of powers argument, but it is the most likely route for him to take.

 

[zebby23]

^^^^^ Man....this thread has turned into a circle-jerk of fools.

I'm out until the verbal BJs between hill and andnowwesuck stop. GET A FUCKING ROOM, YOU TWO!

Typical right wing quitter

 

[King in the North]

Are you trying to claim that these folks have not lost their loved ones to illegals?

If so, you're a pretty sick individual.

Did I say that?

I said you’re a dumbass who reads breitbart all day.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Per my above post, under 10 U.S. Code § 2808 , the president can use money appropriated but not yet obligated (dedicated) for military housing and related facilities to undertake "military construction projects" necessary to support the use of armed services in an emergency requiring the use of the armed services. I don't believe it is clear that a wall for border security would fall within that, and I think attempting to use it this way would leave it open to a constitutional separation of powers argument, but it is the most likely route for him to take.

I would assume if the military is deployed at the border, he can do it.

But I know less than Jon Snow about this.

 

[Sketch]

That glorious wall will be built

 

[King in the North]

Treacherous whore. She will get what she deserves. The day of rope is near.

I actually laughed at this. Keep it up.

I am still trying to figure out how her dentures stayed in place for 8 hours when she gave that record breaking speech last year.

You sound upset that Nancy, or as the President calls her, Nancy, EMASCULATED Daddy in front of the world.

 

[andnowweknow]

Treacherous whore. She will get what she deserves. The day of rope is near.

Did you just reference hanging her?

 

[zebby23]

Soros plants, every single one of them.

Clearly false flags, all of them.

 

[zebby23]

Democrats will choose future votes over dead Americans every damn day.

Nobody in that group has dead relatives though. Clearly they are crisis actors funded by the Koch Brothers

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

I really don't like getting into this kind of thing, because I think it just muddies the argument. Then it just becomes two sides arguing about whether illegal immigrants are dangerous or not, which is just a moronic debate to get into.

Some illegal immigrants are salt-of-the-earth people looking to support their families, some are violent gang bangers, and everything in between.

Whether you are a ruthless cartel leader or a patron saint, you need to enter a country LEGALLY. Why argue anything else?

 

[jamel]

Be nice if the familes affected by opiods did something similar.

Nice to see this style being used again tho.

Made your bed now lie in it.

 

[hillelslovak87]

^^^^^ Man....this thread has turned into a circle-jerk of fools.

I'm out until the verbal BJs between hill and andnowwesuck stop. GET A FUCKING ROOM, YOU TWO!

If your dumb ass was a songbird, you'd be a BlockingGlen.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

they weren't actually expecting her to make a coherent defense or argument were they?

that would be a literal first

 

[franklinstower]

Ironically, she hid behind the wall separating her office from those only seeking answers to why their requests for meetings remain unanswered.

Americans whose loved ones have been killed by illegal aliens flooded into the office with questions as to why their many requests for meetings with the Speaker went unanswered. Front office staff had little to offer in the way of an answer and wouldn’t give an idea of when so much as an aide would be available to meet with the families.


Angel families arrive at Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office after press conference outside the Capitol Building (Michelle Moons/Breitbart News)

In before these isolated examples mean nothing and I'm racist.

This is a great reason to aggressively prosecute all corporations who hire and provide illegal jobs to illegal aliens. I propose making it a federal crime against the country akin to treason.

All legal fees payed for by heavy fines for employing illegals.

We should also completely gut the drug cartels by making all drugs legal and regulated by the government and most or all of the profits going to providing treatment and rehab to the addicts themselves.

This would cost us nothing.

 

[RoosterHucklebuck]

I actually laughed at this. Keep it up.



You sound upset that Nancy, or as the President calls her, Nancy, EMASCULATED Daddy in front of the world.

What, with her condescending old lady clap? Yeah, she really owned him.

 

[glenwo2]

That glorious wall will be built

Whether it's by Trump or by Texas.

 

[Kitafuji]

Wow! Walls do work. I hope she dies a horrid death right in front of her grand kids. What a Kunt!

 

[Quipling]

I just wonder what transpires in Constitutional cases like "Emergency Powers"(which we might have). I'm guessing that Trump has to provide adequate evidence to support there being a National Emergency and if so, I think if he gives the court everything the Border Patrol has said and reported, there should be no reason to deny Trump using the powers to appropriate funds.

The traditional case on the matter is Youngstown Sheet and Tube. Jackson's opinion is the one that modern jurisprudence tends to follow.

The key issue here is that appropriations are strictly a congressional power, so unless Trump can point to a provision allowing him to use funds, he loses. He is probably going to point to the statute that I mentioned. You've keyed in to the first hurdle Trump is going to face, but there are others. Here's my list:

1.) Is there an emergency?
2.) Does the emergency require the use of armed services?
3.) Is the military construction necessary for the use of armed services?
4.) Is this the sort of "military construction" that congress meant when they created this particular emergency power? (This is central to the Youngstown constitutional argument - if it isn't, Trump loses)
4.)(b) Is this affected by the budget requirement that the border security funds should not be used for the wall. (this is the issue Ann Coulter likely refers to when she says that Trump has to argue that the budget is unconstitutional)
5.) Are the funds unobligated? (probably)