Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[TheFirstEMP]

So the parents of the folks who were killed in Las Vegascan now flood McConnel's office? Come on all killings are bad, US citizens are killing a lot more people.

I really don't understand this mentality of standing up for people who break our federal laws. Why do you love illegal immigrants so much?

 

[Higus]

What do you propose is done with the millions of illegals who no longer have jobs after you get what you want? How bout the millions of children who depend on them?

I don't get it. We need a wall to keep illegals out, but we want to keep the ones that are already here? What do you think happens today when family members are deported and separated from their US born spouses and children?

 

[franklinstower]

I really don't understand this mentality of standing up for people who break our federal laws. Why do you love illegal immigrants so much?

The left argument is that illegals do less crime than citizens. The rights argument is that illegals do more crime (not true) and that any crime committed by an illegal is too much and would not happen if they were not here.

 

[RoosterHucklebuck]

No, you fucking putz.

I’m talking about her mastery of the legislative process and her political experience. Her very public dismantling of Daddy was the first of many. It’s so obvious even he knows it. Sad!

 

[HomeCheese]

Treacherous whore. She will get what she deserves. The day of rope is near.

Huh? WTF?

 

[HomeCheese]

Democrats will choose future votes over dead Americans every damn day.

I think most people understand that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, I'm not seeing what point you are making here.

 

[OaklandIsMyCity]

I really don't understand this mentality of standing up for people who break our federal laws. Why do you love illegal immigrants so much?

I do not love them or hate them I do not know them. But I will call bull crap when I see it. We can see a white guy kill 25 people and somehow come to the conclusion he has a mental illness. Anyone not white who kills one person is considered the #1 threat in the country. These illegals work in the farmers fields making them millions and yet they are the scum of the earth. It's amazing how immigrants are frowned upon when the main guy the president has basically paid for all his women his foreign wives.

 

[zebby23]

This thread is not going the way TS intended it to go...

Post false flag operations with crisis actors and get called out

 

[zebby23]

Yeah, actually, they can just campaign on terminating or letting the "emergency" lapse. No way much new wall would be built within 2 years.

It will be in litigation for at least 2 years

 

[glenwo2]

The traditional case on the matter is Youngstown Sheet and Tube. Jackson's opinion is the one that modern jurisprudence tends to follow.

The key issue here is that appropriations are strictly a congressional power, so unless Trump can point to a provision allowing him to use funds, he loses. He is probably going to point to the statute that I mentioned. You've keyed in to the first hurdle Trump is going to face, but there are others. Here's my list:

1.) Is there an emergency?
2.) Does the emergency require the use of armed services?
3.) Is the military construction necessary for the use of armed services?
4.) Is this the sort of "military construction" that congress meant when they created this particular emergency power? (This is central to the Youngstown constitutional argument - if it isn't, Trump loses)
4.)(b) Is this affected by the budget requirement that the border security funds should not be used for the wall. (this is the issue Ann Coulter likely refers to when she says that Trump has to argue that the budget is unconstitutional)
5.) Are the funds unobligated? (probably)

It does look like a bunch of hoops Trump is going to have to jump through if he goes the Emergency Powers route.

oh wait.. it's not a question of "if" anymore :

Trump to sign border security bill and declare national emergency to fund wall, White House says

And here we go.

If those are the other hurdles he has to face, it's going to be a tall task.

But he'll try anyway.

 

[*Z*]

Whether it's by Trump or by Texas.

How much wall do you think 2.5 billion is going to build? The 1.4 Trump is about to get in this bill is supposedly going to build 55 miles of fence. Texas can waste all the money they want but it's not going to build much of anything.

 

[Shoemaker]

Whether it's by Trump or by Texas.

Looking into that, I'd expect it to be met with lawsuits from watchdog groups, as well, since national security is the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal government. I'm no lawyer, but I'd expect the 2012 SC ruling against Arizona to get raised.

 

[*Z*]

It will be in litigation for at least 2 years

Hopefully a dem will be in power and just cancel this ridiculous thing.

 

[zebby23]

Hopefully a dem will be in power and just cancel this ridiculous thing.

This executive order won’t work. Too many skilled politicians on the left and they will outsmart Trump like we outsmart our children.

In other news Trump is still obese

 

[MetalGearTrump]

In the event this strategy actually works for Trump I am going to bookmark this thread and quote you motherfuckers when a Democrat uses the same declaration for gun control measures or to force policy on climate change. If that happens I'll oppose it but I'll point out that some of you motherfuckers are hypocrites when you predictably cry about it.

The 2nd ammendment is a constitutional right. Good luck trying to have a state of emergency declared and enforced on that. Allowing illegal immigrants to enter our country, commit crime and bog down our social and medical systems is not a constitutional right however.

Apples and oranges comparisons here

 

[glenwo2]

How much wall do you think 2.5 billion is going to build? The 1.4 Trump is about to get in this bill is supposedly going to build 55 miles of fence. Texas can waste all the money they want but it's not going to build much of anything.

whatever you say, man.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

It does look like a bunch of hoops Trump is going to have to jump through if he goes the Emergency Powers route.

oh wait.. it's not a question of "if" anymore :

Trump to sign border security bill and declare national emergency to fund wall, White House says

And here we go.

If those are the other hurdles he has to face, it's going to be a tall task.

But he'll try anyway.

I think that he will get a positive effect out of all of this. He's showing the dems that he will fight them.

Now forever they know that whatever they do, no matter how much pressure and obsruction they use, he will not back down.

I think he'll get a psych victory out of this a little bit.

 

[*Z*]

whatever you say, man.

I'm just saying, 150 miles of wall isn't much on a 2000 mile border.

 

[glenwo2]

Looking into that, I'd expect it to be met with lawsuits from watchdog groups, as well, since national security is the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal government. I'm no lawyer, but I'd expect the 2012 SC ruling against Arizona to get raised.

Looks like the entire country is going to be buried in litigation.

 

[Juventud]

^^^^^ Man....this thread has turned into a circle-jerk of fools.

I'm out until the verbal BJs between hill and andnowwesuck stop. GET A FUCKING ROOM, YOU TWO!

You're loving the circle jerk in the 'Dems admit no collusion' thread. Only when it suits you right.

6 of you vs 1 against @MikeMcMann and he was still handling you bumbling fools like:

That glorious wall will be built

That glorious semi-auto will be banned.

Yeah, actually, they can just campaign on terminating or letting the "emergency" lapse. No way much new wall would be built within 2 years.

Trump fans believe in 2 fairy tales that rely on each other to be successful.
The wall isn't getting built if he loses in 2020.

The next President will quickly redistribute any wall funding after canceling it straight to fixing the debt Trump's racking up.