Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[Grok]

The border is secure. Illegal crossings are waaaaaaaay down, lowest in a long time. Legal ports of entry and visa overstays are where the problems lie now.

We've been over this a hundred times already.

If the wall meant so much then Trump should have taken the deal he was offered before that would have paid for the whole thing.

He didn't, and he won't get it now. Time to move on with life.

 

[franklinstower]

The border is secure. Illegal crossings are waaaaaaaay down, lowest in a long time. Legal ports of entry and visa overstays are where the problems lie now.

We've been over this a hundred times already.

Yeah but there is no easy emotional satisfaction in an intelligent multi faceted approach man. Just spend massive amounts of money on a way and spray paint "fuck you" on the Mexican side OK?

 

[Deleted member 457759]

There is no wall fail. He fought impossible odds and secured funding for the wall. It's not enough but overall I'd call it a victory.

 

[franklinstower]

There is no wall fail. He fought impossible odds and secured funding for the wall. It's not enough but overall I'd call it a victory.

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[Deleted member 457759]

Uhh the blue wave happened

Ya they wasted their "blue wave" on obstructing the wall and supreme court picks. Not much credibility left for the campaign!!!

 

[kpt018]

I have to say, the Democratic party is in rough shape with so much infighting and the rise of socialists.

But I think it has to be acknowledged they scored a MASSIVE win over Trump with the Wall negotiations.

Trump has continued to lose face over the Wall. First Mexico was going to pay for the whole thing, then part of it, then none of it, then America is going to pay, then oh wait no America isn't going to pay either.

Then he backs himself into a corner with the gov shutdown, makes his demands... and now the Dems get credit for stopping a second shutdown and they only gave him 1/5th of what he demanded. Mr Art of the Deal got the shitty end of the stick.

I think this, more than anything else, is going to hurt Trump in the eyes of his base. Even his biggest, loudest champions like Ann Coulter are turning on him.

Aside from your first sentence this is accurate (first sentence is a matter of perspective).

It's worth pointing out this was the first opportunity for Dems to oppose Trump since they just regained control of the House. Trump's agenda is DOA and you can expect more of this to continue, at least to the extent Trump has an agenda.

 

[jk7707]

There is no wall fail. He fought impossible odds and secured funding for the wall. It's not enough but overall I'd call it a victory.

 

[7437]

Ya they wasted their "blue wave" on obstructing the wall and supreme court picks. Not much credibility left for the campaign!!!

that was literally the first thing to happen. the dems won. think they are just gonna start playinh nice for trump now?

 

[vengeful]

There is no wall fail. He fought impossible odds and secured funding for the wall. It's not enough but overall I'd call it a victory.

Impossible odds? lol they were giving money for fencing the entire time, in fact the amount just kept getting lowered. Wasn't he going to get 25 billion for the wall just a year ago?

 

[Deleted member 457759]

that was literally the first thing to happen. the dems won. think they are just gonna start playinh nice for trump now?

I dont know exactly what you're asking.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Impossible odds? lol they were giving money for fencing the entire time, in fact the amount just kept getting lowered. Wasn't he going to get 25 billion for the wall just a year ago?

Dems activated the entire media against the wall.

 

[7437]

I dont know exactly what you're asking.

you said they wasted their blue wave. what makes you think that they arent going to continue to take advantage?

 

[Grok]

Impossible odds? lol they were giving money for fencing the entire time, in fact the amount just kept getting lowered. Wasn't he going to get 25 billion for the wall just a year ago?

Pretty soon they'll call Trump stealing the change out of Chuck Schumer's cup holders a "win" for the wall.

 

[kpt018]

Dems activated the entire media against the wall.

That's objectively false.

 

[Happy Man]

Republican politicians represent interests that don't want a wall built.

Democrat politicians represent interests that don't want a wall built.

Some of the wall is being built and if Gets more of the wall built, then good for him. It's a huge uphill battle.

Border security Is national security. It's that simple

 

[franklinstower]

That's objectively false.

And irrelevant even if it was true. No one wants the wall except a small % of uneducated bigots. The media has a responsibility to call out stupid policy and they did their job in this case.

 

[trident]

Why is that? Some people who don't want our country protected need to be held accountable.

Really? The National Guard showing up and taking money from specific voters? You support that in general or only for your personal views?

I realize I'm in a nonsense discussion.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

That's objectively false.

With the exception of fox news.

 

[kpt018]

And irrelevant even if it was true. No one wants the wall except a small % of uneducated bigots. The media has a responsibility to call out stupid policy and they did their job in this case.

Yeah, my next response was going to be that propaganda outlets like Fox news, who happens to be the biggest, is pushing for the wall based on lies.

You're right though (except the support for the wall is strong on the right). The media should call shit policy what it is.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

you said they wasted their blue wave. what makes you think that they arent going to continue to take advantage?

Because they've already exposed themselves for being obstructionist, losing moral high ground. What little they had anyway.

Itll be more apparent as they continue toward the election. Or they can stop being cunts and accept the greatest of this administration.