Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[glenwo2]

I don't think anyone could defend his shutting down the government again. Declaring an emergency or taking money from other places will at least keep most of his base happy.

The "taking money from other places" option is opposed by some of his own party from what I heard. Not sure it would be a wise move to go that direction but it's his choice.

 

[glenwo2]

Asking you a simple ass question is being a dick now?

Because you ask me such a ridiculous question when I pointed out that there are RISKS.

Nowhere did I state I was in favor of anything you wrote down.

That's why I was annoyed at you.

 

[Madmick]

Is this a dead link?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...can_leaning_what_does_that_make_everyone_else

Is this a dead link?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/mick-mulvaney-border-wall-funds-1163996


Get the fuck out of my face and business, alright?
I was posting to steve, not you, Mr. Helsinki person.

(in fact....Let me escort you to my list. Enjoy your stay.)

Should he cherry pick the lows?

Trump's approval is between 40.5%-42.5%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

That's not a high for him, but it's well above his low. His needle is almost unchanged from the day he came into office. He's breaking even.

 

[ScottE]

I don't think anyone could defend his shutting down the government again. Declaring an emergency or taking money from other places will at least keep most of his base happy.

No he'd be undoubtedly fucked. He could even face a veto and then he'd be super fucked. But this emergency powers bullshit isn't going to get anywhere and is going to leave him looking impotent. Best case scenario it gets done in the courts. Worst case for him it gets done in in Congress, which is essentially a veto.

But regardless I do not see him coming out of this not somewhat to absolutely fucked. He us in over his head when not being able to dictate. He can't deal with the Democrat House and placate Hannity/Coulter.

 

[glenwo2]

Should he cherry pick the lows?

Trump's approval is between 40.5%-42.5%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

That's not a high for him, but it's well above his low. His needle is almost unchanged from the day he came into office. He's breaking even.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history

I only refer to this and only this. Even when his numbers were below 50%.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

The "taking money from other places" option is opposed by some of his own party from what I heard. Not sure it would be a wise move to go that direction but it's his choice.

I don't know what he'll do but I'm pretty sure there won't be another shutdown. I don't think most of his base will continue to support him if we go from the historic government dysfunction we had with Obama and the Republican majority to just a flat out non functioning government in shutdown.

 

[Prokofievian]

Is this a dead link?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...can_leaning_what_does_that_make_everyone_else

Is this a dead link?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/mick-mulvaney-border-wall-funds-1163996


Get the fuck out of my face and business, alright?
I was posting to steve, not you, Mr. Helsinki person.

(in fact....Let me escort you to my list. Enjoy your stay.)

Lol, someone's salty. HeY GaIz ThE pOlAr IcE cAps RnT MelTinG iT sAyS sO RItE HeRe!

 

[kahiljabroni]

No he'd be undoubtedly fucked. He could even face a veto and then he'd be super fucked. But this emergency powers bullshit isn't going to get anywhere and is going to leave him looking impotent. Best case scenario it gets done in the courts. Worst case for him it gets done in in Congress, which is essentially a veto.

But regardless I do not see him coming out of this not somewhat to absolutely fucked. He us in over his head when not being able to dictate. He can't deal with the Democrat House and placate Hannity/Coulter.

I think the Republicans in congress are going to begrudgingly support him on this. Mitch just said recently that he had no problem with Trump moving forward with any legal option. He should do the executive order first...the minute that gets challenged in the 9th jerkit court...declare an emergency

 

[ocean size]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history

I only refer to this and only this. Even when his numbers were below 50%.

you limit yourself to the one pollster most favorable to Trump? Weird flex but ok
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#polls

 

[ocean size]

I think the Republicans in congress are going to begrudgingly support him on this. Mitch just said recently that he had no problem with Trump moving forward with any legal option. He should do the executive order first...the minute that gets challenged in the 9th jerkit court...declare an emergency

That's all well and good but you've now lost all credibility to discuss federal power grabs, executive overreach, and pushing policies without a mandate

 

[ScottE]

I think the Republicans in congress are going to begrudgingly support him on this. Mitch just said recently that he had no problem with Trump moving forward with any legal option. He should do the executive order first...the minute that gets challenged in the 9th jerkit court...declare an emergency

Both those plays are on very dubious grounds, legally speaking. So by Mitch saying he supports the president doing taking any legal measures he's giving himself room to maneuver on those two options. He could just say he doesn't consider either measure a legal option. And they likely aren't.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

I have to say, the Democratic party is in rough shape with so much infighting and the rise of socialists.

But I think it has to be acknowledged they scored a MASSIVE win over Trump with the Wall negotiations.

Trump has continued to lose face over the Wall. First Mexico was going to pay for the whole thing, then part of it, then none of it, then America is going to pay, then oh wait no America isn't going to pay either.

Then he backs himself into a corner with the gov shutdown, makes his demands... and now the Dems get credit for stopping a second shutdown and they only gave him 1/5th of what he demanded. Mr Art of the Deal got the shitty end of the stick.

I think this, more than anything else, is going to hurt Trump in the eyes of his base. Even his biggest, loudest champions like Ann Coulter are turning on him.

 

[kahiljabroni]

That's all well and good but you've now lost all credibility to discuss federal power grabs, executive overreach, and pushing policies without a mandate

It's either legal or it's not. I've read the emergency powers act and it's pretty broad. It may be challenged but I think he'll most likely won at the scotus.

As for the executive order route...I havn't researched it but again it will have to pass legal scrutiny.

And the power of the president has been an ever evolving quantity since George Washington til now. They started out more as a figure head and have been accumulating more power with each iteration. As far as Trump goes i think he had been extremely reserved.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

It was a "win" for all Americans. Our tax dollars won't be wasted on something with little tangible benefit.

 

[kahiljabroni]

Both those plays are on very dubious grounds, legally speaking. So by Mitch saying he supports the president doing taking any legal measures he's giving himself room to maneuver on those two options. He could just say he doesn't consider either measure a legal option. And they likely aren't.

Mitch doesn't talk much for the hell of it. He was asked a specific question and he basically gave his blessing. Go youtube it and see if you agree. Plus he has zero to gain by playing games on this. And the Republicans do not want to be seen as obstructing the president on border issues....and definitely not in the numbers you would need to stop him

 

[bobgeese]

Trump 2020!!!

 

[HockeyBjj]

Wow. A very accurate take from you

Trump has always been in extremely low regard to the left. He has slipped about as far as I think he will with the moderates. But this wall failure will be what gets the people who typically stat home on election day who went out to polls in larger than expected numbers to go back to not caring enough to vote.

Why did Trump not get his wall funding when he had both congress and the senate red? Huge (read in Trump's voice) failure then and then to push for it now.

 

[Ophydian]

The wall issue is something Trump has manufactured since November and tried to use it to his advantage during the 2018 elections. He is still to this day trying to manufacture a win by claiming he’s built a vast majority of the wall which is another boldfaced lie yet his followers each it up as truth.

I think the Dems gave up too much and should had forced Trump to decide on emergency action. They literally had nothing to lose.

 

[Ophydian]

I have to say, the Democratic party is in rough shape with so much infighting and the rise of socialists.

But I think it has to be acknowledged they scored a MASSIVE win over Trump with the Wall negotiations.

Trump has continued to lose face over the Wall. First Mexico was going to pay for the whole thing, then part of it, then none of it, then America is going to pay, then oh wait no America isn't going to pay either.

Then he backs himself into a corner with the gov shutdown, makes his demands... and now the Dems get credit for stopping a second shutdown and they only gave him 1/5th of what he demanded. Mr Art of the Deal got the shitty end of the stick.

I think this, more than anything else, is going to hurt Trump in the eyes of his base. Even his biggest, loudest champions like Ann Coulter are turning on him.

You do realize that Trump will blame any negative fallout on the Dems and Republican who were in the negotiations. He will claim it was their fault and not his.

 

[TeTe]

It was a "win" for all Americans. Our tax dollars won't be wasted on something with little tangible benefit.

Pretty much.

Unfortunately politics these days consists mostly of politicians trying to one up each other than giving a shit about what's best for the American people.