Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[D 1 Wrestler]

Because there's also funding for better screening?
Is that something you are against?

any details on that? amount? what it will be used for? anything?

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

any details on that? amount? what it will be used for? anything?

Any reason you couldn't look it up yourself?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Funding+border+security

Is better screening something you are against?

 

[Islam Imamate]

**edit. never mind, you're referring to my vote in this poll.

It's not that I support Trump.

It's just that I despise the new left. Especially WPEM and/or SLWLs. The scum of the planet.

So because you despite the "new left" you support Trump declaring a national emergency to build the wall? That makes no fucking sense, you just seem to reflexively support anything you think the "S-SJWs!" would be against even if it would be a terrible precedent for the country. That's a juvenile way to think about politics.

 

[N13]

Nothing is as it seems.

Government workers can't be fired BUT they can be laid off in another 5 days never to return (SES). President Trump's trap is a genius plan by President Trump to drain the swamp. Obama's placed government workers that can't be fired BUT they can be laid off. Incredible way to shut the government and cut jobs never to return.


Also: RBG is dead, has been.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

So because you despite the "new left" you support Trump declaring a national emergency to build the wall? That makes no fucking sense, you just seem to reflexively support anything you think the "S-SJWs!" would be against even if it would be a terrible precedent for the country. That's a juvenile way to think about politics.

whoa dude, have you seen my posts about the wall?

 

[Islam Imamate]

whoa dude, have you seen my posts about the wall?

No, I only saw that you voted in favor of Trump declaring an emergency to get the wall built. That tells me a lot already though.

 

[nac386]

whoa dude, have you seen my posts about the wall?

I have, and you've seemed to be sincerely gathering information on which to base your opinion. I remember a few days ago you were getting information about border crossings vs visa overstays, and weighing the relative danger associated with both. I think that's the best starting point for developing an informed position.

I think your posts about the wall don't seem to match the way you voted though. You voted that you would support Trump declaring a national emergency, which does not seem to align with your more measured posts.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I have, and you've seemed to be sincerely gathering information on which to base your opinion. I remember a few days ago you were getting information about border crossings vs visa overstays, and weighing the relative danger associated with both.

I think your posts about the wall don't seem to match the way you voted though. You voted that you would support Trump declaring a national emergency, which does not seem to align with your more measured posts.

tbh, I don't really take these polls seriously.

kind of like those two dumbasses who voted that Broner will beat Pacquiao this weekend.

I'm not sure where I stand on the wall. Part of me believes that it will be prohibitively expensive and the costs (literal and metaphorical) will outweigh the benefits.

and another part of me wonders if the cost of illegal immigration has to be seriously addressed, sooner rather than later.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Any reason you couldn't look it up yourself?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Funding+border+security

Is better screening something you are against?

I don't see any details that will improve legal port seizures

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

No, I only saw that you voted in favor of Trump declaring an emergency to get the wall built. That tells me a lot already though.

c'mon dude...have you not just jokingly voted for something on these polls?

 

[Islam Imamate]

c'mon dude...have you not just jokingly voted for something on these polls?

I can't tell with you because you honestly do seem to reflexively support things that "trigger the libs".

 

[nac386]

I'm not sure where I stand on the wall. Part of me believes that it will be prohibitively expensive and the costs (literal and metaphorical) will outweigh the benefits.

and another part of me wonders if the cost of illegal immigration has to be seriously addressed, sooner rather than later.

I think both of those statements are true. I like the idea of having a serious wall in some spots and cheaper fencing in others. It won't solve anything, but it will help. I also find it hard to believe the government can't build a wall for less than $10 million per mile. I feel like we can get a better deal than that. But frankly, I don't know shit about building walls. That's not exactly my area of expertise, it just seems like a lot of money for a simple barrier.

But I think the push for a wall right now has more to do with politics than anything else. There are cheaper alternatives that would have a greater effect in the short term, like cracking down on companies that hire illegal immigrants. But let's face it, guys like Trump make a lot of money off of hiring illegal immigrants. The last thing that rich people want is less cheap labor.

The wall is a huge political symbol, with medium reward, at a very high cost. I guess you have to measure those factors to really decide where you stand when it comes to the wall. To me, I'd like to have a much better plan laid out before offering up billions of dollars.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I think both of those statements are true. I like the idea of having a serious wall in some spots and cheaper fencing in others. It won't solve anything, but it will help. I also find it hard to believe the government can't build a wall for less than $10 million per mile. I feel like we can get a better deal than that. But frankly, I don't know shit about building walls. That's not exactly my area of expertise, it just seems like a lot of money for a simple barrier.

But I think the push for a wall right now has more to do with politics than anything else. There are cheaper alternatives that would have a greater effect in the short term, like cracking down on companies that hire illegal immigrants. But let's face it, guys like Trump make a lot of money off of hiring illegal immigrants. The last thing that rich people want is less cheap labor.

The wall is a huge political symbol, with medium reward, at a very high cost. I guess you have to measure those factors to really decide where you stand when it comes to the wall. To me, I'd like to have a much better plan laid out before offering up billions of dollars.

personally, this is a complicated issue that is worthy of thorough examination and one's opinion should be inspired by facts and analysis....not partisan hackery or stupid political soundbites.

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

I don't see any details that will improve legal port seizures

From page two of the .gov PDF that's first to come up in the search.

o $44 million to recapitalize non-intrusive inspection equipment at ports of entry, anticipating
that stronger enforcement between the ports may lead to increased contraband flowing
through official border crossings.

Again, are you against better screening?

 

[SBJJ]

tbh, I don't really take these polls seriously.

kind of like those two dumbasses who voted that Broner will beat Pacquiao this weekend.

I'm not sure where I stand on the wall. Part of me believes that it will be prohibitively expensive and the costs (literal and metaphorical) will outweigh the benefits.

and another part of me wonders if the cost of illegal immigration has to be seriously addressed, sooner rather than later.

I didn't vote but desperately think we need MUCH more barrier/fence/wall but I'm not sure I want him using Emergency powers to do it. But I also believe if he does it's not Armageddon like the WR fanatics scream. Then again it's the end of the world daily with Trump to them

Pac Man gonna work over Broner man. Pac actually getting serious on this one. I'm parlaying Pac with a bunch of my UFC bets and Already have on some past fights

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I didn't vote but desperately think we need MUCH more barrier/fence/wall but I'm not sure I want him using Emergency powers to do it. But I also believe if he does it's not Armageddon like the WR fanatics scream. Then again it's the end of the world daily with Trump to them

Pac Man gonna work over Broner man. Pac actually getting serious on this one. I'm parlaying Pac with a bunch of my UFC bets and Already have on some past fights

nice! and good luck...any big plays coming up?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

From page two of the .gov PDF that's first to come up in the search.

o $44 million to recapitalize non-intrusive inspection equipment at ports of entry, anticipating
that stronger enforcement between the ports may lead to increased contraband flowing
through official border crossings.

Again, are you against better screening?

Of course not. recapitalize is extremely vague and 44 million is literally a drop in the bucket. The non intrusive inspection equipment only works on vehicles that get flagged in a 40 seconds window based on how suspicious someone looks lol

Put the wall money into man power and thus real documentation review and exponential increase in vehicle inspections and maybe you'll catch 10% of incoming hard drugs instead of probably the 1% they confiscate now

 

[SBJJ]

nice! and good luck...any big plays coming up?

I'm betting TJ. Neal. Jack(boxing) Smaller bet on Cerrone.

Contemplating Bermudez as a dog if he looks good moving up.

Really wish I would have smashed Pac when he was in the low 200s in vegas

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I'm betting TJ. Neal. Jack(boxing) Smaller bet on Cerrone.

Contemplating Bermudez as a dog if he looks good moving up.

Really wish I would have smashed Pac when he was in the low 200s in vegas

yea, the odds makers really dropped the ball on that one.

I mean, when was the last time Broner took a fight (or his career) seriously?

 

[MikeMcMann]

tbh, I don't really take these polls seriously.

kind of like those two dumbasses who voted that Broner will beat Pacquiao this weekend.

I'm not sure where I stand on the wall. Part of me believes that it will be prohibitively expensive and the costs (literal and metaphorical) will outweigh the benefits.

and another part of me wonders if the cost of illegal immigration has to be seriously addressed, sooner rather than later.

Honestly the wall should be the lesser of the 'Border Security' problems addressed.

The "Wall" appeals to the dumber part of Trumps base who thinks a reductionist strategy and something simple can solve the problem. Fact is that the vast, vast majority of the issue flows through the border points and across water. The Coast guard can only get to something like 25% of the stops they would want to make. So even if you managed to choke off the much smaller percent with a giant wall it would naturally just flow to the Ports and legal crossing points.

if you do it the other way. Focus on Drones and tech for the Coast Guard and other areas so you can assess and stop and curtail the bulk of the problem at the legal entries then you have real progress. If that then tries to move to the insecure places you can then close it off with a barrier (wall or fence) and then, and only then make a real impact.