Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[lsa]

Stop stealing our jobs!!

I've seen hard working American cats batting plastic bags around only for a Mexican cat to swoop in and steal it so the poor US cat just sits there sadly

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

Neither I’m just repeating what Trump promised. Why is he breaking promises? So many of them?

He's doing what he can but the 9th is blocked blocking him. Once it gets to scotus they'll most likely be enacted just like DACA is starting to be dismantled by scotus now.

 

[zebby23]

He's doing what he can but the 9th is blocked blocking him. Once it gets to scotus they'll most likely be enacted just like DACA is starting to be dismantled by scotus now.

How are they currently dismantling DACA? They haven’t ruled on it yet?

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

How are they currently dismantling DACA? They haven’t ruled on it yet?

It's coming very soon, it will happen. Unlike finding collusion.

 

[zebby23]

It's coming very soon, it will happen. Unlike finding collusion.

Lol so the Supreme Court is dismantiling DACA (but not really)

And they will find no collusion (except Manafort was giving polling information to the Russians)

Now I see why Trump loves the poorly educated and I can also see why lying isn’t really a big deal to you guys

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

Lol so the Supreme Court is dismantiling DACA (but not really)

And they will find no collusion (except Manafort was giving polling information to the Russians)

Now I see why Trump loves the poorly educated and I can also see why lying isn’t really a big deal to you guys

Psst...., collusion is not a crime.

 

[Juventud]

Psst...., collusion is not a crime.

Conspiracy is though, and they'll be the charges if they find solid evidence. A lot of guilty pleas, lies & cover ups already.

You remind me of a poster who used to have a 'Leave It To Beaver' avatar.

 

[lifelessheap]

Good read, TLDR a wall will do nothing to stop/slow/deter drug smuggling.

In the middle of a peaceful green valley where the salt air drifts in clean and fresh from the ocean, it can be hard to remember the chaos.

Drug shootouts. Smugglers scrambling down the canyons. When congressmen wanted tours of the area, they’d have to see it from the window of a helicopter because Border Patrol couldn’t guarantee their safety.

Then came the fences. One perimeter, then a secondary. The fences helped the Border Patrol reclaim this little sliver of the country.

But the fences did not stop the drug smuggling. With a near-infinite supply of money and resources on the other side, drugs continue to move under, around and through anything the country builds.

No wall will stop them.

After the government built fences in San Diego, drug smugglers turned to the ocean, underground tunnels and, most commonly, the ports of entry. Last year more than 90 percent of the drug seizures happened in the port of entry, where millions of cars drive into San Diego from Mexico every year.

They are going so far out of our area of operations that we can’t even cover that area,” says Kurt Nagel, a marine interceptor for Customs and Border Protection’s air and sea patrol. “We are trying to set up task forces in San Francisco to give us a hand. … Right now with how far they are going, we can’t keep up.”

After the border fences in San Diego were built, law enforcement noticed more pangas — small, open fishing boats that run on outboard motors — abandoned on the city’s beaches.

“We were completely overwhelmed,” says Unzueta, the retired ICE investigator.

When agents focused on pangas, the smugglers began using expensive recreational vessels that blend in with the boats San Diegans use for weekend fishing or scenic cruises.

Border Patrol agents have to figure out which ones are coming from Mexico.

“A lot of it is just knowing the people, knowing the seasons, knowing what fish is in season, what kind of tackle you use to go sea fishing as opposed to lake fishing,” Nagel says. “Smugglers sometimes mix that up.”

If a wall is built, don’t expect it — or the Border Patrol — to stop the flow of drugs.

“It would be like trying to say that a police department isn’t successful unless they stop 100 percent of the shoplifting,” says Hernandez of Customs and Border Protection. “People are going to shoplift no matter what you do. You can put security guards at the door, you can put security guards at every aisle and people are still going to shoplift. Same principle here. We can put barriers and we can slow them down but no matter what we do people are still going to try.”

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/drug-trafficking-smuggling-cartels-tunnels/559814001/

Ports of entry have inspections. So the fences work.

 

[cincymma79]

Good read, TLDR a wall will do nothing to stop/slow/deter drug smuggling.

In the middle of a peaceful green valley where the salt air drifts in clean and fresh from the ocean, it can be hard to remember the chaos.

Drug shootouts. Smugglers scrambling down the canyons. When congressmen wanted tours of the area, they’d have to see it from the window of a helicopter because Border Patrol couldn’t guarantee their safety.

Then came the fences. One perimeter, then a secondary. The fences helped the Border Patrol reclaim this little sliver of the country.

But the fences did not stop the drug smuggling. With a near-infinite supply of money and resources on the other side, drugs continue to move under, around and through anything the country builds.

No wall will stop them.

After the government built fences in San Diego, drug smugglers turned to the ocean, underground tunnels and, most commonly, the ports of entry. Last year more than 90 percent of the drug seizures happened in the port of entry, where millions of cars drive into San Diego from Mexico every year.

They are going so far out of our area of operations that we can’t even cover that area,” says Kurt Nagel, a marine interceptor for Customs and Border Protection’s air and sea patrol. “We are trying to set up task forces in San Francisco to give us a hand. … Right now with how far they are going, we can’t keep up.”

After the border fences in San Diego were built, law enforcement noticed more pangas — small, open fishing boats that run on outboard motors — abandoned on the city’s beaches.

“We were completely overwhelmed,” says Unzueta, the retired ICE investigator.

When agents focused on pangas, the smugglers began using expensive recreational vessels that blend in with the boats San Diegans use for weekend fishing or scenic cruises.

Border Patrol agents have to figure out which ones are coming from Mexico.

“A lot of it is just knowing the people, knowing the seasons, knowing what fish is in season, what kind of tackle you use to go sea fishing as opposed to lake fishing,” Nagel says. “Smugglers sometimes mix that up.”

If a wall is built, don’t expect it — or the Border Patrol — to stop the flow of drugs.

“It would be like trying to say that a police department isn’t successful unless they stop 100 percent of the shoplifting,” says Hernandez of Customs and Border Protection. “People are going to shoplift no matter what you do. You can put security guards at the door, you can put security guards at every aisle and people are still going to shoplift. Same principle here. We can put barriers and we can slow them down but no matter what we do people are still going to try.”

https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/story/drug-trafficking-smuggling-cartels-tunnels/559814001/

The whole point of a wall is to drive them to the legal ports. It’s why you put doors on houses. Otherwise you’d have to koolaid man your way in every day. Read the last sentence of your post

 

[lifelessheap]

We have known for decades how they move their shit, and it's not on mules over the border. That is extremely ineffective and small scale. You can move tons, I repeat TONS, through tunnels, boats, and other points of entry. Cartels have been caught moving product, weapons and people in submarines.

Has Trump said a single word about shoring up our other ports of entry? A one time expenditure of 9 bil has been proposed to shore up our commercial seaport system. Crickets....

Have you watched Border Wars? They constantly catch drug mules. LoL

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Have you watched Border Wars? They constantly catch drug mules. LoL

False flags and plants

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

The whole point of a wall is to drive them to the legal ports. It’s why you put doors on houses. Otherwise you’d have to koolaid man your way in every day. Read the last sentence of your post

How much money is going to the legal port investigating? Read the article they have seconds to decide if tbey are going to further investigate a vehicle or not and simply do so based on how nervous the driver looks or other obvious mistakes that big cartels aren't making. Also read the article from the El chapo trial where the witnesses are saying most drugs already are going through legal ports. Sure a wall may stop the small bean cartel mules which will make no dent on the drug war.

So if spending money on a wall to push small cartels to legal ports where they will probably have similar success rate as they do now is your goal then lol

 

[Quipling]

**edit. never mind, you're referring to my vote in this poll.

It's not that I support Trump.

It's just that I despise the new left. Especially WPEM and/or SLWLs. The scum of the planet.

What does that have to do with emergency powers?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Have you watched Border Wars? They constantly catch drug mules. LoL

Yes, and the people on Alaskan Bush People are really on the frontier, and the Bachelor ends in true love.

The fuck outta here.

 

[Grok]

Have you watched Border Wars? They constantly catch drug mules. LoL

You think a reality show is an accurate representation of real life?

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

So can someone who is pro-wall explain how funneling people to legal ports where they aren't thoroughly checking the ID/paperwork of every passenger, and have 40 seconds to decide if they want to investigate for drugs/human trafficking is going to change anything? Also the majority of hard drugs (heroin/cocaine) already comes through legal ports. Weed is really the only drug where they capture large quantities going across the border, and this is really a non-issues since it is being legalized

 

[cincymma79]

How much money is going to the legal port investigating? Read the article they have seconds to decide if tbey are going to further investigate a vehicle or not and simply do so based on how nervous the driver looks or other obvious mistakes that big cartels aren't making. Also read the article from the El chapo trial where the witnesses are saying most drugs already are going through legal ports. Sure a wall may stop the small bean cartel mules which will make no dent on the drug war.

So if spending money on a wall to push small cartels to legal ports where they will probably have similar success rate as they do now is your goal then lol

Well if you have kept up with the debate, we’re going to spend on that too

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

False flags and plants

I've been going to Big Bend State Park between Thanksgiving and Christmas for almost a decade to ride the trails. The entrance is just outside Terlingua, a small remote boarder town. Every single day the patrol is out capturing illegals with contraband. And it's in the middle of nowhere.
South of Tucson there's signs about how unsafe it is to travel in the desert because of traffickers. My brother was Pima County sheriff's deputy for years and would strongly advise not entering the desert south of Tucson as well for some odd reason. I won't bore you with his clientele.

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

So can someone who is pro-wall explain how funneling people to legal ports where they aren't thoroughly checking the ID/paperwork of every passenger, and have 40 seconds to decide if they want to investigate for drugs/human trafficking is going to change anything? Also the majority of hard drugs (heroin/cocaine) already comes through legal ports. Weed is really the only drug where they capture large quantities going across the border, and this is really a non-issues since it is being legalized

Because there's also funding for better screening?
Is that something you are against?

 

[Beaver Brownlee]

Conspiracy is though, and they'll be the charges if they find solid evidence. A lot of guilty pleas, lies & cover ups already.

You remind me of a poster who used to have a 'Leave It To Beaver' avatar.

Why not "when" intead of "if"?
Oh..oh... Nevermind.