Are we writing alternative history fanfiction?
I can find statements from the president on both sides of literally every issue. Actions matter more.
Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread
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Are we writing alternative history fanfiction?
I can find statements from the president on both sides of literally every issue. Actions matter more.
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"seemingly", you have every chance to correct me. But in missing that nuance you've helped my case.
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GOP is pushing for bigger government. These border towns contain private property and the owners don’t want the wall. It would take the government seizing lots of land from citizens to get the job done. Also, the voters picked a Congress this midterms that wouldn’t use their tax dollars to fund the wall. Trump is testing strategies to circumnavigate this balance of branches and take executive powers to another level to extort tax money for his goal. That’s trending the compete opposite of small government. It’s executive overreach.
Who wants to shut down speech? Trump on numerous occasions during his campaign proposed legislating new laws making it easier to sue others for bad press. Literally called for new laws that would limit the 1st amendment, so you he takes first place in that catoegory. This is the brand of politics conservatives picked and in no manner is it concerned with small government.
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By a wide margin Americans blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown.
Before we go any further, I am just going to say that this is a WaPo-ABC poll . So Trumpers will immediately dismiss it and say 'polls also said Hillary was winning'.
Ok with that out of the way:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page...tics/Polling/release_538.xml?tid=a_inl_manual
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CNN Poll . A not insignificant minority of Republicans do blame Trump.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/01/12/rel1.pdf
Before we go any further, I am just going to say that this is a WaPo-ABC poll . So Trumpers will immediately dismiss it and say 'polls also said Hillary was winning'.
Ok with that out of the way:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page...tics/Polling/release_538.xml?tid=a_inl_manual
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CNN Poll . A not insignificant minority of Republicans do blame Trump.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/01/12/rel1.pdf
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American Jews vote and fund all those things.
You want to keep playing silly games of painting people with broad strokes, well, so can I.
If all Mexicans are represented by their voting preferences, then so are all Jews. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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And Reuters / Ipsos poll
Forty-seven percent of adults hold Trump responsible, while 33 percent blame Democrats in Congress, according to the Dec. 21-25 poll, conducted mostly after the shutdown began. Seven percent of Americans blamed congressional Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ent-shutdown-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1OQ1FA
Forty-seven percent of adults hold Trump responsible, while 33 percent blame Democrats in Congress, according to the Dec. 21-25 poll, conducted mostly after the shutdown began. Seven percent of Americans blamed congressional Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ent-shutdown-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1OQ1FA
Odd considering they agreed to the wall before. It's almost like you are lying.
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Just in: Canada lives up to its reputation yet again,
Canadian air traffic controllers buy pizza for U.S. peers going unpaid during shutdown
MONTREAL -- Canadian air traffic controllers have bought hundreds of pizzas for their American counterparts over the past few days in what has become an industry-wide show of support during the U.S. government's partial shutdown.
Peter Duffey, the head of the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association, said the initiative began Thursday when employees at Edmonton's control centre took up a collection to buy pies for controllers in Anchorage, Alaska.
Other facilities across Canada decided to join in, and the idea snowballed.
"The next thing we knew, our members were buying pizzas left, right and centre for the colleagues in the U.S," Duffey said Sunday in a phone interview.
"As it stands right now, I believe we're up to 36 facilities that have received pizza from Canada, and that number is growing by the hour."
He said one anonymous Canadian donor contributed $500 to the pizza fund, while another single-handedly bought lunch for two facilities in Phoenix, Arizona, to thank them for "taking care of all the snowbirds from Western Canada who go down for the winter."
Canadian air traffic controllers buy pizza for U.S. peers going unpaid during shutdown
MONTREAL -- Canadian air traffic controllers have bought hundreds of pizzas for their American counterparts over the past few days in what has become an industry-wide show of support during the U.S. government's partial shutdown.
Peter Duffey, the head of the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association, said the initiative began Thursday when employees at Edmonton's control centre took up a collection to buy pies for controllers in Anchorage, Alaska.
Other facilities across Canada decided to join in, and the idea snowballed.
"The next thing we knew, our members were buying pizzas left, right and centre for the colleagues in the U.S," Duffey said Sunday in a phone interview.
"As it stands right now, I believe we're up to 36 facilities that have received pizza from Canada, and that number is growing by the hour."
He said one anonymous Canadian donor contributed $500 to the pizza fund, while another single-handedly bought lunch for two facilities in Phoenix, Arizona, to thank them for "taking care of all the snowbirds from Western Canada who go down for the winter."
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Sigh, from Fox News
"White House chief of staff John Kelly, who is set to leave the Trump administration within days, flatly asserted in remarks published Sunday that the president's proposed border project "is not a wall" and that all plans for a concrete wall were abandoned long ago -- directly contradicting the White House's repeated claims.
"To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Kelly said in an interview with The Los Angeles Times. “The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/outgoing-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-to-be-honest-its-not-a-wall
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It's a true statement, come at me bro...
"White House chief of staff John Kelly, who is set to leave the Trump administration within days, flatly asserted in remarks published Sunday that the president's proposed border project "is not a wall" and that all plans for a concrete wall were abandoned long ago -- directly contradicting the White House's repeated claims.
"To be honest, it’s not a wall,” Kelly said in an interview with The Los Angeles Times. “The president still says ‘wall’ — oftentimes frankly he’ll say ‘barrier’ or ‘fencing,’ now he’s tended toward steel slats. But we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration, when we asked people what they needed and where they needed it."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/outgoing-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-to-be-honest-its-not-a-wall
Let's start here: can you define what "the wall" is?
Dec. 2, 2015: At a rally in Virginia, a young boy asked him, "What are the walls going to be made out of?" Trump replied, "I'll tell you what it's going to be made of. It's going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar and steel. And — you know, it's so easy, that's what I do."
Jan. 18, 2016: "They have no idea how to do it. Whereas with me it's easy — that's like easy. When you build buildings like I build buildings, believe me, walls are easy. No windows, no nothing — precast concrete going very high."
Aug. 11, 2016: "The politicians would come up to me, and they'd say, 'You know, Donald, you can't build the wall.' I said, 'You have to be kidding. You have to be kidding. Concrete plank, you have to be kidding. Precast, precast, right? Boom. Bing. Done. Keep going.' "
Nov. 2, 2017. "You know, you think we're going to build a nice, simple concrete wall, but it's not that simple."
Dec. 28, 2018. "We are not building a Concrete Wall, we are building artistically designed steel slats."
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Greoric doesn't see race, man. And by that, I mean he goes out of his way to look at non whites, due to their inferior intellects.
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Yup, as I said upthread people should not be lured into allowing Trump and his Trumpsters to pretend the dispute was ever over fencing or any type of integrated border protection which was already under way by Bush and Obama.
That is not what Trump was suggesting and it was why Trump would not spend the ~$1.5B allocated and sitting earlier this year on any fencing. He was against any Fence.
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This is what Trump wanted.
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This was Trumps wall
And it was to replace the fences. And it was to be paid for by Mexico with one big check. And when Mexico said no Trump said we have all the leverage and will make them pay by withholding remittances and other things. The voters were going to see the true Art of the Deal and Trumps lauded negotiation skills as he easily broke and forced Mexico to pay for it.
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This was Trumps wall
And it was to replace the fences. And it was to be paid for by Mexico with one big check. And when Mexico said no Trump said we have all the leverage and will make them pay by withholding remittances and other things. The voters were going to see the true Art of the Deal and Trumps lauded negotiation skills as he easily broke and forced Mexico to pay for it.
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And in February he was going to (and probably still could) get S25 billion that he could have done or built anything he wanted with, until Ann Coulter and Breitbart started calling him "amnesty Don". Trump has now twice allowed doctrinaire right wing ivory tower idealists like Ann Coulter to prevent him from being the great negotiator he views himself to be.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ave-accepted-democrats-border-wall-offer.html
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It's probably good that the uncorroborated claims of a single border patrol member don't dictate billions of dollars worth of policy.....
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I bet it's completely different behavior for the GOP.....
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You are right, Mitch is holding up the senate until Menendez gets back.
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