Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[mb23100]

In your imaginary magical snap scenario, is the snap only good for a free wall? Or can the snap give us ANYTHING for free?

Just the wall. Point of the question is to find out if people hate the idea of a wall or just dont think its worth the cost

 

[Trotsky]

@Ruprecht wanna hook me up with a poll?

 

[Grok]

Just the wall

Sure why not. But I'd rather use the snap to magically solve more pressing matters like UHC.

 

[cincymma79]

We have a wall thread


But flip a coin


Do it or don’t

Just pick one

 

[ShadowRun]

As a voter for Trump my answer is no, imagine if that becomes the norm for future presidents. That is dangerous and I don't like that idea.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I would support it.

 

[Throttlehead]

As a supporter yes I do. It's within his legal right to do so and the only reason many think it's not a crisis is because it's become the norm and they are numb to it.

There is no crisis, its simply trying to fulfill a campaign slogan and being pressured by right wing media. Also, “Property Rights” was a rallying cry for conservatives. The prospect of the Feds seizing private land to fulfill a phony campaign scheme would have caused outrage on the right. Every house rep that lives on the border does not want, and says there is no need for a wall. This whole debate is as absurd as his Presidency.

There Is No Border Crisis
America is only a year removed from a December 2017 Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report that hailed the agency’s great success in achieving “the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record.” A fresh look at current and historical data shows that despite the attention paid to the dueling televised addresses delivered on January 8, 2019, there is no crisis at the border.

“In FY 2017, CBP [Customs and Border Protection] recorded the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record, as measured by apprehensions along the border and inadmissible encounters at U.S. ports of entry,” according to the Trump administration’s DHS report released in December 2017. Did the situation at the border change dramatically over the next 13 months and go from an historic “lowest level of illegal cross-border migration” to a national crisis? The answer is, “No.”

Border Patrol apprehensions along the Southwest border in FY 2018 were the 5th lowest level of illegal entry recorded in the past 46 years. (Apprehensions are a proxy for illegal entry.) While the 396,579 apprehensions in FY 2018 represented a 30% increase from FY 2017, that’s largely because the 303,916 apprehensions in FY 2017 were the lowest number of apprehensions recorded along the Southwest border since 1972 – nearly a half century ago.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

Nope. Sets bad precedent. Checks and balances.

Question for anti-wallers. If we could snap our fingers and have a wall tomorrow at no cost to anyone would you support it?

No.

 

[7437]

Nope. Sets bad precedent. Checks and balances.

Question for anti-wallers. If we could snap our fingers and have a wall tomorrow at no cost to anyone would you support it?

Does it not take up space on people's property?

 

[7437]

Honestly even though I don't think the wall is such a great idea the Dems should've given in by now, really $5.7 billion ain't that much and this shutdown is really fucking over a lot of people. But it seems like the Democratic establishment would rather on focus on these symbolic issues to show to their base that they are resisting Trump while not actually doing much of note.

At this point though it seems neither side is willing to back down just to save face, pretty sad.

Just giving in would be incredibly stupid. What would stop Trump for just doing this for everything he wants?

 

[hillelslovak87]

We should put a giant wheel at the border

This. Giant spinning wheels manned by Buddhists who can just yell when they see illegals. Give them something to do while contemplating nothingness.

 

[Demoslasher]

As a supporter yes I do. It's within his legal right to do so and the only reason many think it's not a crisis is because it's become the norm and they are numb to it.

It's not in his powers to circumvent Congress because he isn't getting his way. Literally every legal expert outside of the alt right has stated this.

And the reason people don't consider it a crisis, is because it's not...if it's such a damn crisis where the fuck were the republicans the last two years? The actual data shows less border crossings than the last 20 years and the economic impact is negligible.

 

[Throttlehead]

Another scammer taking advantage of Trump followers and the wallnuts.
Behind the viral #GoFundTheWall fundraiser, a rising conservative star and a shadowy email harvesting operation
Brian Kolfage, a triple-amputee Air Force veteran, has operated fake news websites and fundraisers to build a lucrative email list.

The GoFundMe fundraiser that promised to help privately fund President Donald Trump's plan for a wall spanning the length of the U.S.-Mexico border surpassed $20 million dollars in donations this week. But the man behind it — Brian Kolfage, a rising conservative media star — may have had another goal.

Through his border-wall campaign, he claims to have gathered 3.5 million email addresses, which are essential to his broader operation — a wide-ranging and multipronged effort to collect a list of Trump supporters who have proven to be sources of donations for conservative efforts, former employees told NBC News.


According to former employees and public records including website archives, Nevada business registrations and property records, Kolfage has repeatedly created GoFundMe campaigns and published inflammatory fake news articles, pushing them both from websites that he sought to hide behind shell companies and false identities, in part to harvest email addresses. Those addresses were then used to push people back to Kolfage’s websites, to sell a brand of coffee he owns, or to be stockpiled for future use by conservative campaigns.

Kolfage, a triple-amputee Air Force veteran, had mostly worked behind the scenes of this operation until the viral GoFundMe campaign made national headlines.

Check the link........

 

[BEER]

@Trotsky had his thread merged while I was replying, but I will give my answer regardless:

I'm not going to give any sort of lengthy response, but here is the short version:

I am not a Trump supporter. I am not in support of a wall. Border crossing has been decreasing now for a long time. Using "emergency powers" to use tax dollars to construct a wall that would do little in the battle against illegal immigration would be the most nefarious act of virtue signaling I could possibly imagine.

 

[Lead]

I also feel people need to realize this would be the single biggest power grab a president has ever attempted in our lifetime. It's literally "Congress won't give me what I want, so I'll just make up a Crisis to ignore Congress all together."

It would signal the end of checks and balances as the founders intended. It would set a very dangerous precedent for all future presidents that they can simply ignore Congress..

That and it's almost guaranteed to be struck down by the courts

I agree with all of that but your last point conflicts with your original point. There still would be checks and balances since the court would strike it down.

 

[Demoslasher]

I agree with all of that but your last point conflicts with your original point. There still would be checks and balances since the court would strike it down.

They would strike it down BECAUSE it's a violation of the checks and balances

 

[Shoemaker]

Declare an emergency to insure domestic tranquility? Sounds Constitutional to me so yes,

Well there's a username and avatar I haven't seen in awhile. Stop by the boxing forum sometime, bud.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Drump will probably declare a crisis to bypass Congress knowing it will still get tossed out in court. This way he can pass a budget and still say he tried to do it saving face with his base and preventing Coulter and Hannity from yelling at him and making him sad.

 

[Ophydian]

The slimy left want to hold Trump to exact pre-Admin wording he said about building a wall. Yeah, the slimy left that oppose Trump at every single move that he makes, even if it was for giving free coffee for the homeless.

Fact is he's trying to get the wall done - the same wall prior administrations said we need, even Dem ones.

You can keep your physician. You guys went bananas over that for 8 years.

 

[7437]

Another scammer taking advantage of Trump followers and the wallnuts.
Behind the viral #GoFundTheWall fundraiser, a rising conservative star and a shadowy email harvesting operation
Brian Kolfage, a triple-amputee Air Force veteran, has operated fake news websites and fundraisers to build a lucrative email list.

The GoFundMe fundraiser that promised to help privately fund President Donald Trump's plan for a wall spanning the length of the U.S.-Mexico border surpassed $20 million dollars in donations this week. But the man behind it — Brian Kolfage, a rising conservative media star — may have had another goal.

Through his border-wall campaign, he claims to have gathered 3.5 million email addresses, which are essential to his broader operation — a wide-ranging and multipronged effort to collect a list of Trump supporters who have proven to be sources of donations for conservative efforts, former employees told NBC News.


According to former employees and public records including website archives, Nevada business registrations and property records, Kolfage has repeatedly created GoFundMe campaigns and published inflammatory fake news articles, pushing them both from websites that he sought to hide behind shell companies and false identities, in part to harvest email addresses. Those addresses were then used to push people back to Kolfage’s websites, to sell a brand of coffee he owns, or to be stockpiled for future use by conservative campaigns.

Kolfage, a triple-amputee Air Force veteran, had mostly worked behind the scenes of this operation until the viral GoFundMe campaign made national headlines.

Check the link........

That was pretty creative and insidious. My opinion of him just went up.