Economy The [Wall / Government Shutdown] Megathread

[SmilinDesperado]

You trot this out like it's supposed to be some sort of victory.

Pretty low IQ.

"Heh, illegals only committed 5,000 murders unlike the 10,000 we previously thought. Heh. Also, natives committed 50,000 murders. So there's that. Didn't see that one coming, did you?"

Fuck off.

Also: DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens
https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens

Do you guys not understand the concept of prioritization?
Nobody is OKAY with murders and other crimes. Nobody is OKAY with illegals committing crimes because it's less than the crime/murder rate commited by Americans.
What IS being said, is that this is not a CRISIS. And that if we had to list the top 10 problems that we should be focusing on in America, a fucking wall doesn't crack the top 5.

More people care about and are negatively impacted by a lack of healthcare, a broken education system, climate change, wasteful wars in deserts, shit infrastructure, poverty, drugs, etc, etc, etc. These things are killing more Americans on a daily basis than the random immigrant.
The fact that we're talking about a wall would suggest that we have run out of shit to fix---and that clearly isn't true. THe way Trump and his tards talk about illegal immigration and crime you would think that the cartel had taken over Southern California and Texas.
PRIORITIES. Stop worrying about a creaking door when you don't have a roof on top of your house.

 

[Michael Conley]

You didn't articulate a worldview there at all, you just wrote out a Christmas wishlist. You read like the ramblings of AOC before her trained seal audience.

"We need healthcare!" [audience applauds]

"Drugs and poverty bad!" [audience applauds even harder]

 

[Bamboozled]

His inheritance was substantial too. He took control of hundreds of millions in assets, and the incalculable value of contacts and the Trump brand. The only place he has really killed it - through his own hard work - is in branding and licensing his name. Nobody can deny he has made a ton there. He also does okay with high-end properties nowadays (took him a long time and lots of giant setbacks). His side hustles have all been scams or failures from the pov of the customer, they were just licensing ventures. Overall, ups and downs, he's done nothing extraordinary considering how piss-easy it was to get rich in real estate in his time and his position, and what he was gifted in capital and the legacy his father built (who I really don't like but that's beside the point). Fred would have tens of billions today.

inheritance aren't the loans though

 

[glenwo2]

Trump dismisses border wall negotiations as 'waste of time'


President Trump called the talks of a border wall “a waste of time” in a new interview, while further putting blame for gridlocks in Washington on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

“I’ve actually always gotten along with her, but now I don’t think I will any more,” Trump told The New York Times in the interview to be published Friday. “I think she’s doing a tremendous disservice to the country. If she doesn’t approve the wall, the rest of it’s just a waste of money and time and energy because it’s desperately needed.”

“I think Nancy Pelosi is hurting our country very badly by doing what’s she doing and, ultimately, I think I’ve set the table very nicely,” the president added in the interview in the Oval Office, amid signs that he could be losing leverage in Congress as lawmakers race to avert another shutdown in the government.

While asked by The Times about his plans to declare a national emergency to build the wall, Trump told the liberal paper: “I’ve set the table. I’ve set the stage for doing what I’m going to do.”

Lawmakers have cautioned that if Trump declares an emergency, future Democratic presidents might do the same for issues they favor that Congress derails.

Some are reluctant to cede Congress' constitutional power to control spending to any president, and many say there is no real border emergency.




>>> This is concerning for me as well.

It would set a dangerous Precedent going forward but unfortunately, it's looking like we're on a collision course toward this.

 

[Fawlty]

inheritance aren't the loans though

Sure they're very different, but the picture he was trying to paint, of being a genius who can turn a mill into a bill, really isn't close to accurate since he took control of his father's gigantic company. He did fine in some ways, and poorly in others. His standout skill was always branding.

 

[hillelslovak87]

History bros, remember how many concessions were made to Caesar in order for him to seize power, become a dictator, and sabotage the durability of his nation?

Who wants to see Chuck Schumer or Mitch Mcconnell pull a Cato, though?

 

[7437]

Trump dismisses border wall negotiations as 'waste of time'


President Trump called the talks of a border wall “a waste of time” in a new interview, while further putting blame for gridlocks in Washington on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

“I’ve actually always gotten along with her, but now I don’t think I will any more,” Trump told The New York Times in the interview to be published Friday. “I think she’s doing a tremendous disservice to the country. If she doesn’t approve the wall, the rest of it’s just a waste of money and time and energy because it’s desperately needed.”

“I think Nancy Pelosi is hurting our country very badly by doing what’s she doing and, ultimately, I think I’ve set the table very nicely,” the president added in the interview in the Oval Office, amid signs that he could be losing leverage in Congress as lawmakers race to avert another shutdown in the government.

While asked by The Times about his plans to declare a national emergency to build the wall, Trump told the liberal paper: “I’ve set the table. I’ve set the stage for doing what I’m going to do.”

Lawmakers have cautioned that if Trump declares an emergency, future Democratic presidents might do the same for issues they favor that Congress derails.

Some are reluctant to cede Congress' constitutional power to control spending to any president, and many say there is no real border emergency.




>>> This is concerning for me as well.

It would set a dangerous Precedent going forward but unfortunately, it's looking like we're on a collision course toward this.

Lol. Guess what the first thing a dem president is gonna tear down.

 

[glenwo2]

Lol. Guess what the first thing a dem president is gonna tear down.

You really think that if the Military built the Wall, they'd be forced to tear it down again by a Democratic POTUS?

I don't see it happening.

It would look EXTREMELY BAD Politically if that was done 'cause it would basically say (in terms of OPTICS) "I support Open Borders" as loudly as possible, even though that wouldn't be the intention.

 

[glenwo2]

Getting the Military to build the Wall WITHOUT declaring a National Emergency is doable?

That would be a massive blow to Pelosi and her obstructionist Party.

 

[sickc0d3r]

hi hi cincymma79,

the study indicates that there may be as many as 22 million illegal immigrants in the United States (as opposed to 11.3 million).

but if that's true, it also means that illegal immigrants committed even less crime than previously thought.

hmmmf.

- IGIT

Also, probably worth noting that the study cites border arrests and visa overstays as the two criteria for arriving at that number. Which means, if we accept its conclusion, we must also accept that the flow of illegal border crossings reached a 46 year low in December 2017. Not exactly the kind of data that supports an "emergency" wall.

 

[spamking]

Also, probably worth noting that the study cites border arrests and visa overstays as the two criteria for arriving at that number. Which means, if we accept its conclusion, we must also accept that the flow of illegal border crossings reached a 46 year low in December 2017. Not exactly the kind of data that supports an "emergency" wall.

True . . . but wouldn't you think many locations along the border could use some improved physical security regardless?

Or more manpower to patrol some of the areas?

 

[sickc0d3r]

True . . . but wouldn't you think many locations along the border could use some improved physical security regardless?

Or more manpower to patrol some of the areas?

Yes, I support whatever measures experts agree would be effective in areas to secure the border, even if that includes sections of wall or fence or whatever. I certainly don't support declaring the lack of wall an emergency when it clearly isn't, though.

I don't think politicians know jack shit about securing a border, so this whole fight over a wall is annoying. Trump obviously had no clue what we need or don't need when he made that promise during his campaign, and now instead of politicians trying to make good policy, we've got yet another dumb wedge issue, and neither side is willing to concede because it hurts them politically.

 

[GSP_37]

Why doesn't the King of Bullshit just say he figured out a better solution to the wall and it's the stuff Nancy talked about but take credit for it himself?

 

[glenwo2]

Why doesn't the King of Bullshit just say he figured out a better solution to the wall and it's the stuff Nancy talked about but take credit for it himself?

What "stuff"?

The empty promises that Democrats have offered in regards to Border Security in the past?

 

[Seano]

Why doesn't the King of Bullshit just say he figured out a better solution to the wall and it's the stuff Nancy talked about but take credit for it himself?

What, more money on the same shit that allows 100s of 1000's of illegals to cross the border every year? Why not try something new instead of spending billions on something that costs us billions because it doesn't work?

 

[glenwo2]

What, more money on the same shit that allows 100s of 1000's of illegals to cross the border every year? Why not try something new instead of spending billions on something that costs us billions because it doesn't work?

Ever wonder where those billions of spending go when Democrats give lip-service as far as Border security?

Answer : Check Chuck Schumer's Pocket.

 

[GSP_37]

What, more money on the same shit that allows 100s of 1000's of illegals to cross the border every year? Why not try something new instead of spending billions on something that costs us billions because it doesn't work?

Someone on the news said the bulk of the drugs & shit comes thru ports that doesn't scan the cars, so start with scanning equipment like Nancy said and not some ancient shit that won't work but gets crowds of retards to cheer.

 

[Seano]

Someone on the news said the bulk of the drugs & shit comes thru ports that doesn't scan the cars, so start with scanning equipment like Nancy said and not some ancient shit that won't work but gets crowds of retards to cheer.

Just because a lot of it comes over in cars doesn't mean we should ignore the rest of it that comes over in backpacks.

 

[GSP_37]

Just because a lot of it comes over in cars doesn't mean we should ignore the rest of it that comes over in backpacks.

Money doesn't grow on trees, so consider cost effectiveness.

 

[hillelslovak87]

What "stuff"?

The empty promises that Democrats have offered in regards to Border Security in the past?

Maybe the bipartisan bill that was passed unanimously, which included 42 billion for the DHS with 21 billion for Border Security? The one Trump refused to sign.....