The UFC is oversaturated with mediocrity.

[richardjohnson]

I’ve been saying it for awhile now.
The contender series is just a way to mask acquiring & marketing cheap labor. Rarely do we see the UFC sign young champions from other orgs or tested prospects from other combat sports.

U-Fight-Cheap is becoming more true every day

Agreed on the contender series being a way for them to get mediocre fighters cheap. Dana has signed like 2-4 of the fighters on each episode of that show for the past two seasons and I think it really shows when you watch the prelims of some of these fight night cards.

 

[OldBoy91]

If you refuse to acknowledge the possibility that there have been ANY previous cards that could have been more preferable to people unhappy with current watered-down cards then you're clearly just talking shit. Don't start complaining when people refuse to engage your nonsense.

You're repeatedly engaging me and using a lot of words to say absolutely fuck all. Instead of telling me what I think, show me some cards from the past that you think are stacked or fuck off.

 

[Exarch01]

At the moment, you're still playing your stupid game of insisting other people are referring to cards so stacked they never existed instead of listening to how they actually define "stacked cards".

First, you have to go find old cards are are more stacked than current cards and that people complaining about watered-down cards could reasonably enjoy more than current cards. Once you put in that effort to stop being deliberately dense, I'll engage with you like you're intelligent and thoughtful.

You sound like an idiot in this post. I think you should take a break from the internet and come back when you're better collected.

 

[don't ask]

You're repeatedly engaging me and using a lot of words to say absolutely fuck all. Instead of telling me what I think, show me some cards from the past that you think are stacked or fuck off.

Instead of getting butthurt that your shtick is failing, why don't you reasonably acknowledge that there were cards in the past that people unhappy with watered down cards could prefer to current cards. Oh, wait. I know why.

 

[Lawrence]

Are we starting to see the effects of low fighter pay, combined with just far too many events?

All their big stars just split, or are very inactive for one reason or another. GSP, Jones, Honda, McGregor, Ngannou. This wouldnt happen if the money was appropriate.

Dana White said that the main event the other night was terrible, & I'm inclined to agree. Forget the last 2 rounds, even before that it just felt like I was watching 2 plodding sluggers. So few fights have that really big fight feel now. For goodness sake, a 43yr-old Glover is challenging for the belt & way closer to winning it than he ever was at 33.

It was exacerbated by Gordon vs Pimblett in the CO-MAIN EVENT! When I started watching 12 years ago, that would be a prelims fight. It was embarrassing.

I'm certainly not saying "tHe UFC iS DyInG", but they are in danger of diluting their brand. For decades they've kept fighter pay low and tried to make Dana White (& the UFC) the star instead of the fighters, but the cracks of this strategy are starting to emerge IMO. U used to have to really be somebody to be in the UFC, yet the last guy Pimblett fought at the O2 couldnt even throw a punch.

Undercard fighters of today would hang with Elites of 15 years ago.. So to your premise no.

Are there too many fighters for you to keep track of and be jazzed about ? I think that's the problem.

10 finishes and good fights last week.

Fightnight card the week before? Most fight night cards? Excellent fights and more finishes than decisions by a long shot.

 

[don't ask]

You sound like an idiot in this post. I think you should take a break from the internet and come back when you're better collected.

Maybe YOU can find a card from the past that a reasonable person could acknowledge people might prefer due to star power. Or maybe you can suggest a better way to deal with someone who's being deliberately dense and claiming no one unhappy with watered down cards could possibly have enjoyed any past UFC cards for their name value.

 

[modulus]

You get what you pay for

 

[Substance Abuse]

I can't imagine having to wait weeks to watch a single fight card. There's never been more MMA and the match making in the UFC has never been better. The roster is large and fighters are more well rounded than they've ever been, therefore few stand out stylistically like they used to, which is exacerbated by the sheer amount of fighters the UFC has under contract, so it makes sense that the product is harder to follow and it's not as easy to latch onto fighters as the organization moves so quickly.

Still, if you invest the time in the sport, value match making over names and don't care to watch one card a month or have to scramble around to just find some MMA here or there like we used to have to, it's rewarding. I have no issues with the UFC putting on as many cards as they are, while also completely understanding that the sport is cumbersome to follow in its current iteration for some for myriad reasons. But the idea that the cards aren't entertaining and the roster is mediocre is a fallacy. At the end of the day, if you don't like it, don't tune in. Pretty simple.

 

[The_Renaissance]

There's too many cards. There's absolutely no need for anything more than 1 x PPV and 1 x UFN a month. That's a card every fortnight. The problem is almost weekly cards means the need to have 300 more fighters on the roster......hence the contender series existing in general.

The roster needs trimming by 30% and the number of cards close to halving. Maybe by 40%.

However, not gonna happen so either enjoy the show or don't bother.

 

[Exarch01]

Maybe YOU can find a card from the past that a reasonable person could acknowledge people might prefer due to star power. Or maybe you can suggest a better way to deal with someone who's being deliberately dense and claiming no one unhappy with watered down cards could possibly have enjoyed any past UFC cards for their name value.

Of course I could. UFCs 100 and 200. It was that easy. There was no need to act like an over-entitled asshole and be condescending to a total stranger over the internet.

As for better ways to deal with people you don't want to talk to, just ignore them. Like literally go to their profile page and click, "Ignore." Then they're gone from your life forever and you don't have to be rude to them anymore.

 

[don't ask]

Of course I could. UFCs 100 and 200. It was that easy. There was no need to act like an over-entitled asshole and be condescending to a total stranger over the internet.

As for better ways to deal with people you don't want to talk to, just ignore them. Like literally go to their profile page and click, "Ignore." Then they're gone from your life forever and you don't have to be rude to them anymore.

That wasn't hard at all, which was my point. If you think that it's wrong to demand that someone acknowledge reality before you're willing to engage them, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Exarch01]

That wasn't hard at all, which was my point. If you think that it's wrong to demand that someone acknowledge reality before you're willing to engage them, then I don't know what to tell you.

Ok, so my question for you, and I'm looking forward to your response, is this:

who the fuck are you to demand anything from anyone else on this forum?

 

[GOATtalks]

I completely agree, I'd rather have half the events if the cards were stacked like yesteryear.

I have this conversation a lot.

@HuskySamoan can vouch

But the card was actually stacked, despite the fact that many fights got cancelled. I mean Rozenstruick vs Daukas was a great fight, Jan vs Ankalaev was great fight, Till vs Du Plesis was a very solid fight. We should’ve had Ponzi vs Lawler, but we still got a decent fight vs Morono.

Raul Rosas was on the card. The return of Edmen was really good and Chris Curstis vs Buckley was a banger.

Even the Paddy fight was good, it shouldn’t be the co-main though, but many people came specially to see him.

All in all, it was a really good card

 

[The Last King]

There's too many cards. There's absolutely no need for anything more than 1 x PPV and 1 x UFN a month. That's a card every fortnight. The problem is almost weekly cards means the need to have 300 more fighters on the roster......hence the contender series existing in general.

The roster needs trimming by 30% and the number of cards close to halving. Maybe by 40%.

However, not gonna happen so either enjoy the show or don't bother.

Facts

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Are we starting to see the effects of low fighter pay, combined with just far too many events?

I would say its not just the effects of low fighter pay but part of the reason for low fighter pay.

Really I think the UFC get what they pay for to a large degree and business wise I don't think they need that many great fighters but they need lots of "ok" fighters to fill up cards.

 

[560ti]

The logic behind this is so dumb. You can just skip half the events. Boom problem solved

You didn't understand the logic so of course it was "boom problem solved".

We where saying cut 2 ppvs and half the espn+ cards to make the ppvs and espn (cable) cards stronger.

For example this most recent pay-per-view I would have rather had Kattar versus Allen on the main card if the trade-off was not having to stay up till almost 1:00 a.m. to watch those two fight on some pointless watered down ESPN Plus card (wanted to watch a high level bout but obviously I'm not staying up till 1am for a single high level fight).

 

[SpiderFan187]

I used to think that cards are too stacked but if you think about these low level guys have been bringing it and before last weeks event we've had a great run of fun events, this event was leading up to that. My issue is though they aren't focusing all their promo powers on a sample of hype jobs that have for the most part failed in recent times.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Maybe YOU can find a card from the past that a reasonable person could acknowledge people might prefer due to star power. Or maybe you can suggest a better way to deal with someone who's being deliberately dense and claiming no one unhappy with watered down cards could possibly have enjoyed any past UFC cards for their name value.

Past cards seem alot more stacked in hindsight because people have become more familiar with the talent on display.

 

[Eiger]

I wish there was a 5-fight minicard every Tuesday a la DWCS, but with fighters mainly from the bottom halves of the divisions.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

I used to think that cards are too stacked but if you think about these low level guys have been bringing it and before last weeks event we've had a great run of fun events, this event was leading up to that. My issue is though they aren't focusing all their promo powers on a sample of hype jobs that have for the most part failed in recent times.

UFC have always been terrible at producing stars from scratch, all there top talent plied there craft elsewhere, The UFC only gave them a platform to showcase it.