Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[Deleted member 110072]

One reason why TNG reacted against the 80's movies may have to do with Roddenberry, Nimoy, and Shatner not liking each other. Roddenberry and Nimoy's conflicts began during TOS due to contract issues and Roddenberry siding with Shatner as being the de facto star of the show, and then again after Roddenberry unceremoniously rescinded his offer for Nimoy to play Questor. After TOS, according to both Nimoy and Shatner, Roddenberry owed everyone money from Lincoln Enterprises profits, Roddenberry's personal company that sold Star Trek merchandise. Shatner, who described Roddenberry as a chiseler, drew his ire once more when he seemingly borrowed material from the unproduced god thing script for Star Trek V.

Before TNG was developed, Roddenberry had everyone watch Aliens for ideas and general direction. In fact, Marina Sirtis was first signed on to play Yar, with Denise Crosby playing Troi. Sirtis reminded Roddenberry of Vasquez, who was the model for Yar.

Picard is also one of my favorite characters in the Star Trek universe. He did, at times, come off as a fuddy duddy in the earlier episodes. In a foot race or a fist fight, he loses to Kirk. Though, if you're going to serve on a Starship for an extended tour, you want Picard as your skipper.

I don't have much to say about the movies, other than Stewart being serviceable as Picard. I do believe that Stewart had a hand in the direction of those scripts, and then Spiner for the last film. In Picard, Stewart does not have screen presence. I feel that the production could have worked around that. There are direction, cinematography, and script issues with Picard. I watched the last episode today and felt, what was the point? I did like a few of the episodes, but the series was not especially enchanting, nor did the conclusion take me to a special place.

An observable shift occurred during the 90's in entertainment, perhaps being more pronounced with sci fi, that you are very perceptive of. My opinion is that the 1990's quenched the romanticism that sparked during the renaissance. I did get into X-Files for a while (it was on right after Brisco County Jr.).

I think you can see the divide in the way the films went after The Motion Picture, focused mostly on the lead characters with the setting dropping back to more of a cold war parallel or just the present day.

Early TNG does feel like a bit of an overcorrection to that, focused almost entirely on ideas and plots over characters but I think the Aliens inspiration does make sense when you consider the great focus on atmospheric horror/thrillers. Most of the early episodes which still stand out are along those lines for me like Where Silence Has Lease or Time Squared plus of course Conspiracy(the brain bugs).

Generations I think does work quite well for Picard(and Kirk) dramatically but ends up being let down a bit by the plot being rather light IMHO and a bit too fan servicey which really is a problem all the TNG films have IMHO..

 

[Streeter]

What a great finale. Sad that it's over. Let's hope they do Star trek Legacy.

What more can they do. They brought back old crew , old ship , and the 2 biggest bads in the Star Trek universe (Dominion n Borg) . All in 1 season and keeping the Woke shit to an absolute minimum. Nothing more you can do with it. Season was a masterpiece in the Star Trek universe n best thing Star Trek has done since the 90s at least . I'm not just saying that because of all the fan service cameos of old crew.

 

[TTech]

They sure did absolutely everything for fans nostalgia pleasure from casting beloved charaters to visual cues, action, ships and so on, EXCEPT bring back the core of Star Trek which is the intellectual, quality coherent, current and often philosophical plot delving into interesting problems or presenting us with interesting questions about ourselves.
Flashy but it went nowhere. Meh...

 

[RedBeard_]

Funny...

https://odysee.com/@TheDaveCullenShow:7/what-if-alternate-ending-to-picard:c

 

[Gene Tunney]

Oh and I like Shaw, I would've liked it if he survived but I see why they got rid of him.

That actor reminded me of the brother from Everybody Loves Ray.

I think you can see the divide in the way the films went after The Motion Picture, focused mostly on the lead characters with the setting dropping back to more of a cold war parallel or just the present day.

Early TNG does feel like a bit of an overcorrection to that, focused almost entirely on ideas and plots over characters but I think the Aliens inspiration does make sense when you consider the great focus on atmospheric horror/thrillers. Most of the early episodes which still stand out for me are along those lines for me like Where Silence Has Lease or Time Squared plus of course Conspiracy(the brain bugs).

Generations I think does work quite well for Picard(and Kirk) dramatically but ends up being let down a bit by the plot being rather light IMHO and a bit too fan servicey which really is a problem all the TNG films have IMHO..

Generations is the best of the bunch. Still, I would rather watch something else if given the option.

What more can they do. They brought back old crew , old ship , and the 2 biggest bads in the Star Trek universe (Dominion n Borg) . All in 1 season and keeping the Woke shit to an absolute minimum. Nothing more you can do with it. Season was a masterpiece in the Star Trek universe n best thing Star Trek has done since the 90s at least . I'm not just saying that because of all the fan service cameos of old crew.

There are always options to consider. La Forge could make a good captain. The character seems to have developed more gravitas. The space sequences looked very sharp. Lots of cool stuff a creative mind could accomplish with the visual aspects. As Maman might say, is this the end...or just the beginning.

The first thing that I would do is turn on the lights of the ship.

They sure did absolutely everything for fans nostalgia pleasure from casting beloved charaters to visual cues, action, ships and so on, EXCEPT bring back the core of Star Trek which is the intellectual, quality coherent, current and often philosophical plot delving into interesting problems or presenting us with interesting questions about ourselves.
Flashy but it went nowhere. Meh...

Picard season 3 turned out to be little more than a vehicle to coalesce the Star Trek fanbase for the next show. It was ok.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

When the TNG cast was playing poker at the end, I thought what a miracle it is that
they are all still alive, while three quarters of the Babylon 5 cast is dead.

 

[RedBeard_]

When the TNG cast was playing poker at the end, I thought what a miracle it is that
they are all still alive, while three quarters of the Babylon 5 cast is dead.

Yeah, it is an absolute shame we cannot get something similar for DS9.

 

[Streeter]

That actor reminded me of the brother from


Generations is the best of the bunch. Still, I would rather watch something else if given the option.



There are always options to consider. La Forge could make a good captain. The character seems to have developed more gravitas. The space sequences looked very sharp. Lots of cool stuff a creative mind could accomplish with the visual aspects. As Maman might say, is this the end...or just the beginning.

The first thing that I would do is turn on the lights of the ship.



Picard season 3 turned out to be little more than a vehicle to coalesce the Star Trek fanbase for the next show. It was ok.

Pretty sure Jeri Ryan will get own series in a year . But the Next gen characters other thsn maybe LaForge are done imo.

 

[Francis Rossi]

When the TNG cast was playing poker at the end, I thought what a miracle it is that
they are all still alive, while three quarters of the Babylon 5 cast is dead.

B5's on a par with TOS, only not one of the main TOS cast died before they hit their late 70s.

 

[RedBeard_]

Pretty sure Jeri Ryan will get own series in a year . But the Next gen characters other thsn maybe LaForge are done imo.

Other than possible cameos.

 

[Streeter]

Other than possible cameos.

Janeway obviously will cameo on occasion. Even at Jeri age she's still hot I give her that much

 

[Gene Tunney]

Pretty sure Jeri Ryan will get own series in a year . But the Next gen characters other thsn maybe LaForge are done imo.

And perhaps Worf.

 

[Streeter]

And perhaps Worf.

Would love Worf he was best of all the csmeos

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

And perhaps Worf.

Would love Worf he was best of all the csmeos

When Worf wanted that Klingon woman in DS9, but she ended up with Quark was hilarious.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Generations is the best of the bunch. Still, I would rather watch something else if given the option.

I think thats mostly because it manages to have Picard stay close to his TNG roots, it introduces more drama but does so in a fashion which fits into that and indeed I think Kirk also is handled quite well.

Again I think really its the other stuff around that which feels a bit weak, a bit too small scale and fan service heavy, especially Kirk's death which I think should have been more epic.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I think thats mostly because it manages to have Picard stay close to his TNG roots, it introduces more drama but does so in a fashion which fits into that and indeed I think Kirk also is handled quite well.

Again I think really its the other stuff around that which feels a bit weak, a bit too small scale and fan service heavy, especially Kirk's death which I think should have been more epic.

Well he was wearing a red shirt so it was kind of fitting.

 

[The Clinch]

Always wanted a La Forge as captain show.

Seems the closest it’ll get is him captaining the Challenger on an episode of Voyager.

 

[RedBeard_]

Always wanted a La Forge as captain show.

Seems the closest it’ll get is him captaining the Challenger on an episode of Voyager.

Overseeing the museum was the perfect role for him for the purposes of the Picard show though. If they weren't so damn old, I would love to see the entire cast continue.

 

[sverre054]

Janeway obviously will cameo on occasion. Even at Jeri age she's still hot I give her that much

She has said they are in discussions for a possible Janeway show. They just said in an interview that originally they wanted Janeway to be the one debriefing and promoting 7 at the end, but Paramount didn't want to in case they do a future limited series and they would have to make a separate new deal for her to appear in person, as opposed to her voice only role in Prodigy.

 

[sverre054]

Overseeing the museum was the perfect role for him for the purposes of the Picard show though. If they weren't so damn old, I would love to see the entire cast continue.

I think most of the cast will make appearances in future series, especially after the huge ratings that season 3 has gotten. Terry Metalas has already said they have quite a few characters and stories ready to go, involving the characters of Kira, Naomi Wildman, Wesley, and Sela.