Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[BisexualMMA]

What a testament to what a shit character Wesley Crusher is that they invented a new son to base the whole series and fate of the universe around and had Wil Wheaton doing a talk show.

 

[TTech]

What a testament to what a shit character Wesley Crusher is that they invented a new son to base the whole series and fate of the universe around and had Wil Wheaton doing a talk show.

I never understood why Wesley was so disliked. I think many just dont like the character, especially lately because of the person actor, the guy seems to agree to promote any Star Trek stuff no matter how much it sux and say whatever is written for money.
However his character on ST seems a pretty good example of what a cadet of that era might looks like no?
Unlike what they do with ST now or any show where any youngster is an array of anxiety, trauma, victimization, emotions and perennial melodrama. With Wesley it was STFU and do your job. Granted his character evolution mightve meandered a bit not to everyones liking but the character perhaps not superb sure, it seemed ok.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I never understood why Wesley was so disliked. I think many just dont like the character, especially lately because of the person actor, the guy seems to agree to promote any Star Trek stuff no matter how much it sux and say whatever is written for money.
However his character on ST seems a pretty good example of what a cadet of that era might looks like no?
Unlike what they do now with ST now or any show where any youngster is an array of anxiety, trauma, victimization, emotions and perennial melodrama. With Wesley it was STFU and do your job. Granted his character evolution mightve meandered a bit not to everyones liking but the character perhaps not superb sure, it seemed ok.

Yeah he wasn't all that bad back in the old series...but if I was watching the show I would be disappointed if five minutes in I realized it was going to be a Wesley episode as opposed to any other character. He seemed like a decent guy. He just wasn't very interesting to me but to be fair he was as you say better than what I would expect such a character to be like now.

Anyway, just like Corey Feldman, Wil Wheaton seems to have regressed as an actor since he was a child. I doubt he would have been up to the task of being the lynchpin of the series or the demands placed on Michelle Forbes for that matter.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I love how this meme can be used to describe so much of this season

The Borg Queen’s still kicking it even after how Voyager ended?

Q’s still alive even after dying at the end of season 2?

Ro is a high ranking Starfleet officer despite the Maquis being wiped out by the dominion, but even if she survived she’d be a traitor?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I never understood why Wesley was so disliked. I think many just dont like the character, especially lately because of the person actor, the guy seems to agree to promote any Star Trek stuff no matter how much it sux and say whatever is written for money.
However his character on ST seems a pretty good example of what a cadet of that era might looks like no?
Unlike what they do with ST now or any show where any youngster is an array of anxiety, trauma, victimization, emotions and perennial melodrama. With Wesley it was STFU and do your job. Granted his character evolution mightve meandered a bit not to everyones liking but the character perhaps not superb sure, it seemed ok.

I'd say it mostly comes down to his career early on in TNG when he was a rather annoying Gary Stu, to be honest when you get past that early phase I think there were some very good Wesley episodes...

The Game
Last Mission
The First Duty

 

[Gene Tunney]

When Worf wanted that Klingon woman in DS9, but she ended up with Quark was hilarious.

Worf should have hooked up with Pulaski. She seemed to take a liking to him. I would have. At least once.

I never understood why Wesley was so disliked. I think many just dont like the character, especially lately because of the person actor, the guy seems to agree to promote any Star Trek stuff no matter how much it sux and say whatever is written for money.
However his character on ST seems a pretty good example of what a cadet of that era might looks like no?
Unlike what they do with ST now or any show where any youngster is an array of anxiety, trauma, victimization, emotions and perennial melodrama. With Wesley it was STFU and do your job. Granted his character evolution mightve meandered a bit not to everyones liking but the character perhaps not superb sure, it seemed ok.

Wesley Roddenberry Crusher was pretentious and pedantic. Even so, chad Wesley remains an intriguing concept.

 

[deviake]

I actually might watch Picard S3 again. Even for some of my misgivings and some of its flaws I enjoyed it and I think it ended perfectly. It's aging better for me meow that it's wrapped up. It was nostalgia done right. It's easily better than any of the TNG movies.

I would watch a show with Seven commanding the Enterprise G.

 

[deviake]

I love how this meme can be used to describe so much of this season

The Borg Queen’s still kicking it even after how Voyager ended?

Q’s still alive even after dying at the end of season 2?

Ro is a high ranking Starfleet officer despite the Maquis being wiped out by the dominion, but even if she survived she’d be a traitor?

I disagree. Although there's obvious nods and fan service it's infinitely better written than any of the SW sequels. There's nothing in this that comes within three universes of being as stupid as Palpie returning, nothing in S3 of Picard undoes everything ST was about unlike the SW sequels. If the SW sequels were written like S3 Picard and gave the OG characters as much respect they would've made about 900 bagillion dollars.

I just watched RLM's review of Picard S3 episodes 8-10 and they pointed something out I didn't think of - this entire season was a middle finger to the first two seasons. Beverly at one point mentions no one hearing from the Borg for "10 years", Q isn't dead, and I think a couple other things. From the little I saw of the first two seasons S3 does seem to completely ignore them which I think was the best move.

 

[Gene Tunney]

I actually might watch Picard S3 again. Even for some of my misgivings and some of its flaws I enjoyed it and I think it ended perfectly. It's aging better for me meow that it's wrapped up. It was nostalgia done right. It's easily better than any of the TNG movies.

I would watch a show with Seven commanding the Enterprise G.

I would absolutely watch episode 6 again, The Bounty. That was top tier Star Trek. Seven held herself captainly throughout the series. She has earned it. You have to give me some Worf every now and again. I got to have more Worf, baby.

 

[deviake]

I would absolutely watch episode 6 again, The Bounty. That was top tier Star Trek. Seven held herself captainly throughout the series. She has earned it. You have to give me some Worf every now and again. I got to have more Worf, baby.

I really liked Worf. He was still him but his character evolved. I got a few chuckles from him too.

Yeah I thought Seven really earned it too. Her relationship with Shaw was great and I think it was a great move having him posthumously recommend her for promotion.

Although flawed I thought this season really wrapped up well. I think I'll enjoy it more on a second viewing where I'm being less critical. It's certainly not perfect but IMO it's pretty good. Great sendoff for the crew and all their characters had great arcs. Data was also handled perfectly. Even the new characters like Geordi's daughter and Picard's son were great.

 

[RedBeard_]

I actually might watch Picard S3 again. Even for some of my misgivings and some of its flaws I enjoyed it and I think it ended perfectly. It's aging better for me meow that it's wrapped up. It was nostalgia done right. It's easily better than any of the TNG movies.

I would watch a show with Seven commanding the Enterprise G.

A couple things that could pull me into a Jerry Ryan series are the fact that we would get to see Picard's son develop and "Q" is clearly back. Plus, you know there would be the potential for more TNG, DS9, and VOY cameos. In fact, since they brought back "The Changlings," a good story arc for a Jerry Ryan series might take them back to DS9, the Wormhole, and the Gamma quadrant. There is a lot of potential in that show if they can get decent writers who care about canon.

 

[deviake]

As an aside, I really liked Data's trap for Lore when Lore was trying to kill him. I thought that was fantastic and exactly the kind of intelligent idea Data would come up with.

 

[Gene Tunney]

A couple things that could pull me into a Jerry Ryan series is the fact that we would get to see Picard's son develop and "Q" is clearly back. Plus, you know there would be the potential for more TNG, DS9, and VOY cameos. In fact, since they brought back "The Changlings," a good story arc for a Jerry Ryan series might take them back to DS9, the Wormhole, and the Gamma quadrant. There is a lot of potential in that show if they can get decent writers who care about canon.

They could bring back Kirk and Chekov for an episode if they really wanted to. Shatner has sounded as if he's at least open to the idea of making one last Star Trek appearance.

As an aside, I really liked Data's trap for Lore when Lore was trying to kill him. I thought that was fantastic and exactly the kind of intelligent idea Data would come up with.

The cat, Spot, got to me.

 

[sverre054]

As an aside, I really liked Data's trap for Lore when Lore was trying to kill him. I thought that was fantastic and exactly the kind of intelligent idea Data would come up with.

I'll admit I almost teared up when Spot appeared. Almost.....

 

[BisexualMMA]

The cat, Spot, got to me.

The writers here had more respect and reverence for Spot and Ro Laren than the Star Wars sequel writers had for Luke Skywalker.

 

[sverre054]

Apparently Ed Speelers originally auditioned to be the new Kirk. He was puzzled when he was brought in for another audition, because the role had been cast by Paul Westley. That's when they pitched him on being Picards son.

 

[sverre054]

Terry Metals revield a few interesting things in a interview.

He originally wrote that both Worf and Riker wrre going to die on the Borg cube, but didn't have the heart to kill his heroes.

Ro Lauren was able to beam out of the shuttle before it blew up.

During the battle above earth, 7 and Raffi beamed over to the USS Intrepid, and found where all the Star Fleet personal, who were replaced by changelings were held, including Tuvok, and Saved them.

Obrien and Barclay were e originally going to help the crew in episode 8.

Stewart wanted the ending to be him drinking a glass of wine alone, overlooking his vineyard, but was vetoed last mintue

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

I think the role of Raffi could have been cast better.

 

[deviake]

Apparently Ed Speelers originally auditioned to be the new Kirk. He was puzzled when he was brought in for another audition, because the role had been cast by Paul Westley. That's when they pitched him on being Picards son.

Terry Metals revield a few interesting things in a interview.

He originally wrote that both Worf and Riker wrre going to die on the Borg cube, but didn't have the heart to kill his heroes.

Ro Lauren was able to beam out of the shuttle before it blew up.

During the battle above earth, 7 and Raffi beamed over to the USS Intrepid, and found where all the Star Fleet personal, who were replaced by changelings were held, including Tuvok, and Saved them.

Obrien and Barclay were e originally going to help the crew in episode 8.

Stewart wanted the ending to be him drinking a glass of wine alone, overlooking his vineyard, but was vetoed last mintue

I think they made the right decisions there. I wouldn't have minded Barclay and Obrien and Ro living but it turned out good regardless

 

[RedBeard_]

Apparently Ed Speelers originally auditioned to be the new Kirk. He was puzzled when he was brought in for another audition, because the role had been cast by Paul Westley. That's when they pitched him on being Picards son.

No one is going to be any good attempting to play James T. Kirk.