Bagwork The Side Kick has the highest force output on the bag

[Royce Greasy]

That works, every club has little differences. Are you still training and going to test for black?

I've trained with a lot of guys across Canada, where have you trained out of?

I'm 40 now and began training at Cheung's TKD out of Brampton, Ontario in late 98 and stopped in early 2003, the club no longer exists but when it did they had like 4 locations I believe in the greater Toronto area the club was founded in the 70's if you look into it I would check at Grand master Ken Cheung he was the head instructor/owner and was also in the Canadian sports hall of fame he has BB's if I'm not mistaken in Judo, TKD, Karate and some other styles he was also from the Chinese army as well.


I put up a crazy story on my Taekwondo is disrespected thread about being involved in basically a bareknuckle fight at one of the testings, the club was very rough giving he(Cheung) was from the Chinese army the sparring was full-contact for sure people got injured and sometimes rarely KO'd, there was this after hours sparring only time I don't want to call it a class and about 30 people would line up you spar for 3 minutes and move down the line guys went all out. One time there was this white belt new guy who was very impressionable and decided it was a good idea to attend this sparring session I warned him against it, he went anyways and I stuck around to watch from the viewing area and he got the ever loving shit kicked out of him, he walked out of there bleeding and battered shortly after he quit.


After the encounter I had at the testing with this ITF guy throwing sucker punches and trying to KO me I was done, had enough of that and I think Cheung was testing me because he liked me and another student and used to tell both of us if you can get you spinning heel just slightly faster people are gonna be in fear. It really turned me off that some green belt ITF guy can just come in throw sucker punches and not using any TKD during our sparring for the testing, I don't have a problem with punches being thrown as long as it's made clear before the match that incident turned me off.

 

[Royce Greasy]

That works, every club has little differences. Are you still training and going to test for black?

I've trained with a lot of guys across Canada, where have you trained out of?

 

[Trabaho]

I'm 40 now and began training at Cheung's TKD out of Brampton, Ontario in late 98 and stopped in early 2003, the club no longer exists but when it did they had like 4 locations I believe in the greater Toronto area the club was founded in the 70's if you look into it I would check at Grand master Ken Cheung he was the head instructor/owner and was also in the Canadian sports hall of fame he has BB's if I'm not mistaken in Judo, TKD, Karate and some other styles he was also from the Chinese army as well.


I put up a crazy story on my Taekwondo is disrespected thread about being involved in basically a bareknuckle fight at one of the testings, the club was very rough giving he(Cheung) was from the Chinese army the sparring was full-contact for sure people got injured and sometimes rarely KO'd, there was this after hours sparring only time I don't want to call it a class and about 30 people would line up you spar for 3 minutes and move down the line guys went all out. One time there was this white belt new guy who was very impressionable and decided it was a good idea to attend this sparring session I warned him against it, he went anyways and I stuck around to watch from the viewing area and he got the ever loving shit kicked out of him, he walked out of there bleeding and battered shortly after he quit.


After the encounter I had at the testing with this ITF guy throwing sucker punches and trying to KO me I was done, had enough of that and I think Cheung was testing me because he liked me and another student and used to tell both of us if you can get you spinning heel just slightly faster people are gonna be in fear. It really turned me off that some green belt ITF guy can just come in throw sucker punches and not using any TKD during our sparring for the testing, I don't have a problem with punches being thrown as long as it's made clear before the match that incident turned me off.

What makes you choose traditional martial arts over combat sports ?

Tkd and karate over boxing kickboxing mma ?

Was it movies ?

Not liking getting hit in the face ?

 

[Royce Greasy]

What makes you choose traditional martial arts over combat sports ?

Tkd and karate over boxing kickboxing mma ?

Was it movies ?

Not liking getting hit in the face ?

I was in my teens and there weren't mma gyms on every corner like now. I have a purple in BJJ as well, I've always been more of a grappler as I find them superior to strikers and if you can't grapple you can't fight that's why Steve Jennum was able to beat Melton Bowen, boxers on their own can't fight they can box lol.

No offense dude but you sound like an arrogant modern UFC fan that worships MT and boxing, the problem with modern mma I mean UFC is that it's been reduced to MT and boxing that's why you have these fukking lame ass MT kickboxer guys who have blue belts in jiu jitsu lol, how on earth are you able to have a beginner rank in jiu jitsu and beat guys who are BB's I already know why, its because UFC is a business and entertainment first that's why a fukking blue belt level guy beats BB level guys simply no one uses grappling anymore for fear of being cut so a BB will stand and trade with a blue belt level guy and ignore his massive advantage. Its because the boss will be breathing down his neck if he uses his advantage, fact is UFC purged much of the grappling talent because the UFC fans now who aren't real fans but a bunch of trendies that began watching because it's popular only like KO's that's the current business model.


When I was in jiu jitsu about 9 years back the brown belt level guys would beat blue belts in like a minute it wasn't even a challenge, so when I see many of these new guys with no NCAA experience or blue belts I'm like WTF and I know there's something fishy, plus I don't buy the whole but his MT or kickboxing made all the difference that's just BS if that were true then the K1 guys who tries mma would be cleaning house but they didn't and many of them had grappling experience.


Hey you are in love with kickboxing and boxing that's great more power to you, there was a guy I went to school with who was a MT fighter in Thailand and he had an mma fight in Jamaica, here's the thing back in the day he claimed he could beat me and would simply kick me in the head lol the dude only weighed 140lbs while I was 180lbs, so we had a fight and guess what happened before he could do one thing he was bodylocked tripped and on his back, he may of been a pro MT fighter but he was inefficient at what he did also during his mma fight which is on YT he lost by guess what getting taken down over and over again. Things like MT and boxing etc, are useless against an experienced grappler you have to have a significant amount of grappling experience.


There is a thread right now about Pat Smith who has a lot of striking achievements and accolades, in his early career he lost to anyone with a grappling background, the other night I watched his later fights in his career when he had a purple belt and he is ten times the fighter he was before, the point of all this is that you need to stop being so insecure with your comments about people who aren't kickboxers or boxers every style has drawbacks and I'd remind of all the boxers and kickboxers that got their asses kicked throughout the history of the sport not only a lot of the best strikers in mma began in those tma you're shitting on and basically calling people pussies.

 

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What makes you choose traditional martial arts over combat sports ?

Tkd and karate over boxing kickboxing mma ?

Was it movies ?

Not liking getting hit in the face ?

. it's Always movies

 

[Trabaho]

I was in my teens and there weren't mma gyms on every corner like now. I have a purple in BJJ as well, I've always been more of a grappler as I find them superior to strikers and if you can't grapple you can't fight that's why Steve Jennum was able to beat Melton Bowen, boxers on their own can't fight they can box lol.

No offense dude but you sound like an arrogant modern UFC fan that worships MT and boxing, the problem with modern mma I mean UFC is that it's been reduced to MT and boxing that's why you have these fukking lame ass MT kickboxer guys who have blue belts in jiu jitsu lol, how on earth are you able to have a beginner rank in jiu jitsu and beat guys who are BB's I already know why, its because UFC is a business and entertainment first that's why a fukking blue belt level guy beats BB level guys simply no one uses grappling anymore for fear of being cut so a BB will stand and trade with a blue belt level guy and ignore his massive advantage. Its because the boss will be breathing down his neck if he uses his advantage, fact is UFC purged much of the grappling talent because the UFC fans now who aren't real fans but a bunch of trendies that began watching because it's popular only like KO's that's the current business model.


When I was in jiu jitsu about 9 years back the brown belt level guys would beat blue belts in like a minute it wasn't even a challenge, so when I see many of these new guys with no NCAA experience or blue belts I'm like WTF and I know there's something fishy, plus I don't buy the whole but his MT or kickboxing made all the difference that's just BS if that were true then the K1 guys who tries mma would be cleaning house but they didn't and many of them had grappling experience.


Hey you are in love with kickboxing and boxing that's great more power to you, there was a guy I went to school with who was a MT fighter in Thailand and he had an mma fight in Jamaica, here's the thing back in the day he claimed he could beat me and would simply kick me in the head lol the dude only weighed 140lbs while I was 180lbs, so we had a fight and guess what happened before he could do one thing he was bodylocked tripped and on his back, he may of been a pro MT fighter but he was inefficient at what he did also during his mma fight which is on YT he lost by guess what getting taken down over and over again. Things like MT and boxing etc, are useless against an experienced grappler you have to have a significant amount of grappling experience.


There is a thread right now about Pat Smith who has a lot of striking achievements and accolades, in his early career he lost to anyone with a grappling background, the other night I watched his later fights in his career when he had a purple belt and he is ten times the fighter he was before, the point of all this is that you need to stop being so insecure with your comments about people who aren't kickboxers or boxers every style has drawbacks and I'd remind of all the boxers and kickboxers that got their asses kicked throughout the history of the sport not only a lot of the best strikers in mma began in those tma you're shitting on and basically calling people pussies.

So basically you dodged the question by saying how your bjj works vs muay thai guys and boxers and kickboxers. Bjj works really well. Also good points about the commercial aspect of making fights more bangers.

I asked why tma instead of combat sports. You should just say you feel healthier without getting punched in the brain. Which is legit.

I'm 37 close to 38. So not a new fan. Watched mma since I was 18. K1 since I was 14.

My anti tma bias comes from when I was like 18-19 I was at the weights gym and asked a guy there, I'm originaly from a small town so we all sort of know each other, I asked him bout his karate and if they spar / fight for real - he screamed something like "Yes OF COURSE WE FIGHT for REAL" that might've given me a little anti tma bias. I think it's culture or whatever. Muay Thai Boxing Kickboxing is realistic. Tma got some cultural nonsense aspects. I used to say it's fighting mixed with dancing. And movies.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Boxing is a great style but it comes at a huge cost and its one of the styles where an amateur nobody can beat a pro, case in point KJ Noons getting ktfo by Krazy horse bennett, that fight shocked me that a street thug who could throw a good hard punch could KO someone with such sound boxing skills. You would never see a jiu jitsu white belt sub a BB in jiu jitsu hasn't happened.

 

[Royce Greasy]

So basically you dodged the question by saying how your bjj works vs muay thai guys and boxers and kickboxers. Bjj works really well. Also good points about the commercial aspect of making fights more bangers.

I asked why tma instead of combat sports. You should just say you feel healthier without getting punched in the brain. Which is legit.

I'm 37 close to 38. So not a new fan. Watched mma since I was 18. K1 since I was 14.

My anti tma bias comes from when I was like 18-19 I was at the weights gym and asked a guy there, I'm originaly from a small town so we all sort of know each other, I asked him bout his karate and if they spar / fight for real - he screamed something like "Yes OF COURSE WE FIGHT for REAL" that might've given me a little anti tma bias. I think it's culture or whatever. Muay Thai Boxing Kickboxing is realistic. Tma got some cultural nonsense aspects. I used to say it's fighting mixed with dancing. And movies.

I never dodged your question at all the reason was as I stated I was a teen at the time never knew much of anything and TKD was close by, you're trying to imply I'm afraid of getting hit at that time GTFO please you don't know anything about me during that time period, before I joined jiu jitsu my dad and I were in contact with Kerry Hendren a kickboxer and I was as close as someone could be to joining I was attending their events, however I moved from the area and relocated to Toronto and joined jiu jitsu which I thought was better as I believe the ground has a steeper learning curve and is more important than striking. If it wasn't for coming by jiu jitsu I 100% would have been boxing no doubt in my mind that was the trajectory I was headed, jiu jitsu was the only thing that countered my decision which is crazy that I happened to walk by that gym that day.


I'm not gonna lie either if I would learn boxing or kickboxing right now it wouldn't be to be a competitive fighter it would be to make my jiu jitsu/grappling better, the same way Maia uses his striking to better understand strikers, the idea of getting concussions and CTE is not worth it at all to me and believe me I have tremendous respect for people that box competitively its just when they get this superiority attitude because they throw hands, fighting or combat is about survival not about being stylish like the modern UFC that appeals to the normie fanbase.

 

[Royce Greasy]

So basically you dodged the question by saying how your bjj works vs muay thai guys and boxers and kickboxers. Bjj works really well. Also good points about the commercial aspect of making fights more bangers.

I asked why tma instead of combat sports. You should just say you feel healthier without getting punched in the brain. Which is legit.

I'm 37 close to 38. So not a new fan. Watched mma since I was 18. K1 since I was 14.

My anti tma bias comes from when I was like 18-19 I was at the weights gym and asked a guy there, I'm originaly from a small town so we all sort of know each other, I asked him bout his karate and if they spar / fight for real - he screamed something like "Yes OF COURSE WE FIGHT for REAL" that might've given me a little anti tma bias. I think it's culture or whatever. Muay Thai Boxing Kickboxing is realistic. Tma got some cultural nonsense aspects. I used to say it's fighting mixed with dancing. And movies.

I agree generally kickboxing and MT are gonna be better than say TKD and Karate, however at the end of the day I think individuals win fights not styles and I'm speaking of real life situations here, UFC is a sport in 2025 its not fighting people need to get that so the styles most often used revolve around a sport aspect and alot of it translates to the street, the thing is though there are many unique situations that boxing or MT and especially jiu jitsu won't prepare you for something like Kali is much more valuable for the street than any of those 3 at keeping you alive.


If I got into an altercation on the street I would probably use my TKD over my jiu jitsu simply because I don't want someone getting close to me, I can keep someone away with my back kick and side kick especially an attacker with a knife and elude them, not only that some of these TMA teach eye gouging and groin strikes not that you need to be taught that but it's very very effective, another is combative's in the military much more practical than any of the combat sports these train you how to kill with a knife no combat sports teach that.

 

[Trabaho]

I agree generally kickboxing and MT are gonna be better than say TKD and Karate, however at the end of the day I think individuals win fights not styles and I'm speaking of real life situations here, UFC is a sport in 2025 its not fighting people need to get that so the styles most often used revolve around a sport aspect and alot of it translates to the street, the thing is though there are many unique situations that boxing or MT and especially jiu jitsu won't prepare you for something like Kali is much more valuable for the street than any of those 3 at keeping you alive.


If I got into an altercation on the street I would probably use my TKD over my jiu jitsu simply because I don't want someone getting close to me, I can keep someone away with my back kick and side kick especially an attacker with a knife and elude them, not only that some of these TMA teach eye gouging and groin strikes not that you need to be taught that but it's very very effective, another is combative's in the military much more practical than any of the combat sports these train you how to kill with a knife no combat sports teach that.

I never had to defend myself on the street

Knowing any martial art is sufficient as chances are 100 to 1 the other person doesn't

 

[Trabaho]

Boxing is a great style but it comes at a huge cost and its one of the styles where an amateur nobody can beat a pro, case in point KJ Noons getting ktfo by Krazy horse bennett, that fight shocked me that a street thug who could throw a good hard punch could KO someone with such sound boxing skills. You would never see a jiu jitsu white belt sub a BB in jiu jitsu hasn't happened.

In bjj you lose if a sub is locked in. Only max 1 sub goes trough in a match.

In mma / boxing a hundred strikes gona land. 1 good 1 is enough to win it. Strikes can be as fast as 1 second. You won't sub someone freum standing position into 1 blink over.

Krazy horse was very athletic young prime there with experience. He landed it. Was also a tricky set up and very explosive.

 

[Royce Greasy]

I never had to defend myself on the street

Knowing any martial art is sufficient as chances are 100 to 1 the other person doesn't

You're missing my point the other person's intention may be to stab you to death or sucker punch, quadruple team you none of what they teach in mma is gonna prepare someone for that, combatives or Kali and some TMA's were designed for that and God forbid anyone ends up in those type of situations but nowadays especially the young thug types are really big on starting confrontations and then stabbing people.

This guy in the video here is for sure either a MT or kickboxer trained it doesn't show the full video but he is beating the stabber until the knife comes out, the guy who almost gets killed is going on about how he KO power and how he can throw down like hello dude you didn't do well you almost died.

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[Royce Greasy]

In bjj you lose if a sub is locked in. Only max 1 sub goes trough in a match.

In mma / boxing a hundred strikes gona land. 1 good 1 is enough to win it. Strikes can be as fast as 1 second. You won't sub someone freum standing position into 1 blink over.

Krazy horse was very athletic young prime there with experience. He landed it. Was also a tricky set up and very explosive.

I'm not talking about competitions I'm talking about getting subbed finished tapped out, white belts don't submit BB's in jiu jitsu the same can't be said for boxing it is possible for a street thug to KO a pro boxer that's not a knock against boxing it's just the nature of reality when throwing punches.


The Krazy horse incident was what can happen when throwing punches, I will say though that Noons is way more skilled and higher level than Bennett and that is also evidenced by how he beat Nick Diaz another very talented boxer/puncher, yet Krazy horse put Noons to sleep.