Bagwork The Side Kick has the highest force output on the bag

I'm speaking more to things like Kali, Krav Maga, Combatives although there are forms of Karate even that train how to disarm weapons and groin strikes/eye gouges, Kenpo for example train with weapons and knives with plastic blades etc, even ITF TKD teaches from a perspective of dealing with an attacker that's trying to kill or injured you.

The thing is many of the people that pick fights nowadays especially have no intention of having a fight, this new generation of street thug is all about stabbing, if you think about Karate for example the Kata is a combination of blocks and strikes and the purpose of the strikes is one hit kill so your training block and in some cases trap a hand holding a knife, while boxing can work in those situations the emphasis is not on dealing with an attacker trying to kill you.


Karate in it's original form was intended for these situations I'm talking about a master of Karate, I mean someone who is like a 5th degree and up can pull off the blocks and strikes in the Kata effortlessly if someone were to try to stab a 5th degree BB in Karate I have no doubt they would disarm the knife and severely injure the attacker. Our focus is different you train for the competition and I did to a degree I competed in BJJ a few times, but my focus has become solely self defense and real life situations, I also have firearm training and if I happened to be in a dangerous situation for some reason I would wear a stab vest and I plan on learning knife disarming skills as well. My focus is no longer winning a fight but self preservation.
lol No, they would be killed. A 5th degree BB means nothing in a fight

TMAs have the purpose to fight in anything goes fight but they don't know what they are doing... they don't train with aliveness, that gives you the timing. The best Karate people are those who are champions in their point fighting, they develop timing with that
 
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lol No, they would be killed. A 5th degree BB means nothing in a fight
Disagree, except if the person is armed with a weapon. Major factors are how they train, the opponent's toughness and skill, and the abilities of each to handle and dish out the violence. A recent example is an assistant trainer who was a 1st degree black belt in Karate at my current gym who noticed a guy breaking into a car. He confronted the guy, who was an ex-felon, and the guy pulled a gun. He disarmed the guy and held him in a choke till the police arrived. Maybe 5 out of 10 times, he gets shot, but this time, he won that street fight. Fighting competitively does help, as was in this case. I agree that a black belt from a McDojo (which I think ypu are referencing) could be in serious trouble in a street fight unless he is a naturally tough guy..
 
lol No, they would be killed. A 5th degree BB means nothing in a fight

TMAs have the purpose to fight in anything goes fight but they don't know what they are doing... they don't train with aliveness, that gives you the timing. The best Karate people are those who are champions in their point fighting, they develop timing with that
A 5th degree black belt means nothing in FIGHTIING have you been reading and comprehending what I've been saying in the last few comments, I don't think you have since you bring up about a fight which I already clarified those styles were not designed for maybe lay off the UFC for a while, I'm clearly talking about real life situations where your life is on the line kickboxing/boxing and MT are sport they don't teach combatives or survival skills the way Krav Maga or army combatives do, next I'll hear some tard chirp about but they can't fight so stupid and childish and the people on the street don't care about your kickboxing/boxing skills they stab you with a knife, did you even look at the video I posted on here where the kickboxer started to get stabbed up by the street thug because I can tell you one thing he didn't have a clue what he was doing when the knife came out.

You say a 5th degree BB doesn't know what they're doing lol my old instructor has multiple BB's in different styles was in the Chinese army for years, dude he would fukking kill you so easily don't be retarded he knows more what to do than you, put in that way and has probably killed before knowing his background.

The best Karate people come out of Okinawa and are in Kyokushin which is not point fighting lol at least know the BS you're spewing wow." TMAs have the purpose to fight in anything goes fight but they don't know what they are doing.." Oh really well those two statements contradict each other and not only that but there's so many fighters that have TMA's backgrounds that use them in mma and are successful, Machida, Gordeau, Pettis, Thompson, Cung Le, Mark Hall, Jean Reviere, Pat Smith, Anderson Silva had a background in TKD and used a front kick to KO Belfort, say that ignorant shit to those guys and see what they say about that.
 
A 5th degree black belt means nothing in FIGHTIING have you been reading and comprehending what I've been saying in the last few comments, I don't think you have since you bring up about a fight which I already clarified those styles were not designed for maybe lay off the UFC for a while, I'm clearly talking about real life situations where your life is on the line kickboxing/boxing and MT are sport they don't teach combatives or survival skills the way Krav Maga or army combatives do, next I'll hear some tard chirp about but they can't fight so stupid and childish and the people on the street don't care about your kickboxing/boxing skills they stab you with a knife, did you even look at the video I posted on here where the kickboxer started to get stabbed up by the street thug because I can tell you one thing he didn't have a clue what he was doing when the knife came out.

You say a 5th degree BB doesn't know what they're doing lol my old instructor has multiple BB's in different styles was in the Chinese army for years, dude he would fukking kill you so easily don't be retarded he knows more what to do than you, put in that way and has probably killed before knowing his background.

The best Karate people come out of Okinawa and are in Kyokushin which is not point fighting lol at least know the BS you're spewing wow." TMAs have the purpose to fight in anything goes fight but they don't know what they are doing.." Oh really well those two statements contradict each other and not only that but there's so many fighters that have TMA's backgrounds that use them in mma and are successful, Machida, Gordeau, Pettis, Thompson, Cung Le, Mark Hall, Jean Reviere, Pat Smith, Anderson Silva had a background in TKD and used a front kick to KO Belfort, say that ignorant shit to those guys and see what they say about that.
I understood perfectly, you don't know how someone becomes good. For combat sport and just for street fights is the same... you need to train with aliveness

Krav Maga is not good. I didn't say kickboxing beats a guy with a knife

Maybe your instructor is good, but a 5th degree black belt has nothing to do with that. In the military they use firearms, they train little hand to hand combat or with knives, besides the Marines do MMA

Clearly im referring to traditional Karate, not Kyokushin karate, the best people in Karate are the elite in their JKA WKF tournaments is what i said, is the same with Kyokushin, the best are those in the elite of competition

Machida an all of those were good competitors in their TMAs like i said, is not a contradiction, i said those have timing

Chill out a bit, dont be butthurt
 
Disagree, except if the person is armed with a weapon. Major factors are how they train, the opponent's toughness and skill, and the abilities of each to handle and dish out the violence. A recent example is an assistant trainer who was a 1st degree black belt in Karate at my current gym who noticed a guy breaking into a car. He confronted the guy, who was an ex-felon, and the guy pulled a gun. He disarmed the guy and held him in a choke till the police arrived. Maybe 5 out of 10 times, he gets shot, but this time, he won that street fight. Fighting competitively does help, as was in this case. I agree that a black belt from a McDojo (which I think ypu are referencing) could be in serious trouble in a street fight unless he is a naturally tough guy..
No, not McDojo. The training in TMAs is not good. The hitting of air in military like formations, the forms, the exercises with a cooperative partner, etc.. all that is bullsht, doesn't make you a good fighter

If someone from those schools can fight is because they have thousands of hours of point fighting competition (or light contact, full contact) and the drills for that. The TMAs who doesn't have that fighting are the worse
 
I understood perfectly, you don't know how someone becomes good. For combat sport and just for street fights is the same... you need to train with aliveness

Krav Maga is not good. I didn't say kickboxing beats a guy with a knife

Maybe your instructor is good, but a 5th degree black belt has nothing to do with that. In the military they use firearms, they train little hand to hand combat or with knives, besides the Marines do MMA

Clearly im referring to traditional Karate, not Kyokushin karate, the best people in Karate are the elite in their JKA WKF tournaments is what i said, is the same with Kyokushin, the best are those in the elite of competition

Machida an all of those were good competitors in their TMAs like i said, is not a contradiction, i said those have timing

Chill out a bit, dont be butthurt
Dude are you thick here you go again saying dumb shit like you don't know how to get good and then bring up that word again street fight, ya hello I've already clarified 3 times now I'm not talking about fighting you fukking guys on here are so annoying the only thing going through your head is who can win in a fight, your entire focus is training for a fight when I already mentioned that thugs the people who start altercations don't street fight they jump people, stab or use weapons and I've already said how combat sports don't train for that you have this misguided idea in your mind that someone is gonna square up with you on the street and have a gentlemens agreement for a fight LOL, again please lay off the UFC.


What I'm speaking of is like the situation Blagoy Ivanov was in getting stabbed and almost dying, none of his skills mattered worth a shit and actually they almost got him killed, another example was Maiqual Falcao got beat down by guys with bats again none of his combat sports skills mattered, had he known combatives or Krav Maga he probably would have stood a better chance at not taking as much damage and escaping.


"Krav Maga is not good" is not good for what fighting in UFC lol well no shit except I'm not talking about fighting nor was it intended for that, a self-defense system focused on quickly neutralizing threats in real-life situations, meaning its primary goal is to avoid a fight whenever possible and only use force when absolutely necessary to escape danger. So it in fact does work for what it was intended for to survive a deadly encounter that's all.


Please don't even start running your mouth about the military my brother was in the infantry, they train hand to hand combat to kill not win a UFC fight its called army combatives in addition to using firearms the army has it's own martial arts system, another thing marines aren't as well trained as you think and so what they learn mma that's pointless for their purposes. Knifemanship is definitely taught in the marines and it's not a little bit either don't know where you get that.
 
Dude are you thick here you go again saying dumb shit like you don't know how to get good and then bring up that word again street fight, ya hello I've already clarified 3 times now I'm not talking about fighting you fukking guys on here are so annoying the only thing going through your head is who can win in a fight, your entire focus is training for a fight when I already mentioned that thugs the people who start altercations don't street fight they jump people, stab or use weapons and I've already said how combat sports don't train for that you have this misguided idea in your mind that someone is gonna square up with you on the street and have a gentlemens agreement for a fight LOL, again please lay off the UFC.


What I'm speaking of is like the situation Blagoy Ivanov was in getting stabbed and almost dying, none of his skills mattered worth a shit and actually they almost got him killed, another example was Maiqual Falcao got beat down by guys with bats again none of his combat sports skills mattered, had he known combatives or Krav Maga he probably would have stood a better chance at not taking as much damage and escaping.


"Krav Maga is not good" is not good for what fighting in UFC lol well no shit except I'm not talking about fighting nor was it intended for that, a self-defense system focused on quickly neutralizing threats in real-life situations, meaning its primary goal is to avoid a fight whenever possible and only use force when absolutely necessary to escape danger. So it in fact does work for what it was intended for to survive a deadly encounter that's all.


Please don't even start running your mouth about the military my brother was in the infantry, they train hand to hand combat to kill not win a UFC fight its called army combatives in addition to using firearms the army has it's own martial arts system, another thing marines aren't as well trained as you think and so what they learn mma that's pointless for their purposes. Knifemanship is definitely taught in the marines and it's not a little bit either don't know where you get that.
All i was discussing is that a 5th degree black belt in karate means nothing 🙄 you said they can beat someone with a knife. I don't care if MMA guys are killed by weapons, i didn't said combat sports is good for that, i think nothing is good for that

I have heard about Krav Maga failing.. Israel soldiers been killed by pirates or something like that. They had a fight with knives iirc

The worst guy in UFC can beat your brother with ease 😄
 
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All i was discussing is that a 5th degree black belt in karate means nothing 🙄 you said they can beat someone with a knife. I don't care if MMA guys are killed by weapons, i didn't said combat sports is good for that, i think nothing is good for that

I have heard about Krav Maga failing.. Israel soldiers been killed by pirates or something like that. They had a fight with knives iirc

The worst guy in UFC can beat your brother with ease 😄
"The worst guy in UFC can beat your brother with ease" In what a UFC fight lol sure my brother could also kill one of them with ease as well apples to oranges, again you really need to take it easy on the UFC and life's not a street fight many mma athletes have been stabbed to death you can't separate the two obviously.
 
"The worst guy in UFC can beat your brother with ease" In what a UFC fight lol sure my brother could also kill one of them with ease as well apples to oranges, again you really need to take it easy on the UFC and life's not a street fight many mma athletes have been stabbed to death you can't separate the two obviously.
Have you saw that fight to death of that Russian vs Ukranian soldier? the fight with a knife

No technique, just brutality, biting.. and i think eye gouging

In stand up position a knife attack is too fast.. can't be blocked. If you have a knife too the best for you is to have Fencing skills
 
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Maiquel Falcao stabbed to death in Brazil UFC veteran

Blagoy Ivanov stabbed UFC fighter

Another MMA fighter stabbed to death

Another MMA fighter stabbed to death

Stephan Savic MMA fighter stabbed to death

Alan Khadziev MMA fighter stabbed to death

Uzbekastan MMA beaten to death

Palm Beach MMA fighter shot to death

I think that's 10 but there's many more examples point is combat sports are just that sports, they don't prepare you for street or real life altercations with a multitude of variables like knives, guns or getting jumped. Things like Krav Maga were designed for these scenarios as well as combatives and while TMA's are a poor example to use at least they train these situations from the perspectives and survival where as combat sports teach winning a fight.
 
Have you saw that fight to death of that Russian vs Ukranian soldier? the fight with a knife

No technique, just brutality, biting.. and i think eye gouging
You don't need a whole lot of technique with a knife just get poked the wrong way it's curtains, another thing generally with knife attacks you don't get a warning before you know you've been attacked you're bleeding they're usually surprise or ambush attacks but it's not hard to understand if one guy is trying to punch while the other knows to go for the carotid artery it's over.
 
Maiquel Falcao stabbed to death in Brazil UFC veteran

Blagoy Ivanov stabbed UFC fighter

Another MMA fighter stabbed to death

Another MMA fighter stabbed to death

Stephan Savic MMA fighter stabbed to death

Alan Khadziev MMA fighter stabbed to death

Uzbekastan MMA beaten to death

Palm Beach MMA fighter shot to death

I think that's 10 but there's many more examples point is combat sports are just that sports, they don't prepare you for street or real life altercations with a multitude of variables like knives, guns or getting jumped. Things like Krav Maga were designed for these scenarios as well as combatives and while TMA's are a poor example to use at least they train these situations from the perspectives and survival where as combat sports teach winning a fight.
I would like to see a Krav Maga guy with no weapons defending against that 🙄

Im just saying MMA trains with aliveness. If they are asked to defend vs knife.. they would find the best way to train that. In my first reply to you i didn't say nothing about Combat sports prepare you for a knife attack
 
Have you saw that fight to death of that Russian vs Ukranian soldier? the fight with a knife

No technique, just brutality, biting.. and i think eye gouging

In stand up position a knife attack is too fast.. can't be blocked. If you have a knife too the best for you is to have Fencing skills
No I haven't seen the knife fight between them and I've saw a lot of that war footage. Knife attacks and stabbings are a big thing in Russia though and they know what they're doing, Russia used to have a super high murder rate much higher than the U.S historically one of the reasons was that people got into alterations and would get stabbed.


I myself have a purple belt and a double black stripe in TKD with that said though I think twice about getting into altercations, people on the street don't want to lose and will do crazy shit, street thugs don't fight fair.
 
No I haven't seen the knife fight between them and I've saw a lot of that war footage. Knife attacks and stabbings are a big thing in Russia though and they know what they're doing, Russia used to have a super high murder rate much higher than the U.S historically one of the reasons was that people got into alterations and would get stabbed.


I myself have a purple belt and a double black stripe in TKD with that said though I think twice about getting into altercations, people on the street don't want to lose and will do crazy shit, street thugs don't fight fair.
Im just interested in 1 vs 1, anything goes fight (withouth weapons) no weight limit, no time, but a challenge fight, not street fight

The origin of Martial Arts is sport.. the sport of Pankration
 
I would like to see a Krav Maga guy with no weapons defending against that 🙄

Im just saying MMA trains with aliveness. If they are asked to defend vs knife.. they would find the best way to train that. In my first reply to you i didn't say nothing about Combat sports prepare you for a knife attack
A Krav Maga guy has the correct mindset about the situation they could analyse the danger and take the correct action, that might mean getting an object in between you and the attacker so he can't stab you as easily and that he can buy time or make an escape. An mma guy has a massive ego and would engage and get stabbed at the very least at worst die, that's what the data shows think about how crazy Ivanov is and he almost died, in that situation if you were to grade it he failed.


There's like hundreds of these incidents of combat sports athletes getting killed in altercations with street thugs, at the same time there are incidents where mma guys KO or subdue those thugs when they aren't armed of course there better at fighting I'll concede that, the thing is it's a roll of the dice dealing with the unknown, my jiu jitsu instructor who is an mma fighter who holds a win over Rafael Dos Anjos told all of us to not engage in street fights because you don't know the other guys intention and he was 100% right, a student a good one at that told some teens to knock it off with the fireworks because it was dangerous and they jumped him he got his ass kicked from the black eye and cuts, there's no honor on the streets.
 
Im just interested in 1 vs 1, anything goes fight (withouth weapons) no weight limit, no time, but a challenge fight, not street fight

The origin of Martial Arts is sport.. the sport of Pankration
Well I'll only fight/compete in a regulated atmosphere that way if I lose it's over and done with, no one can stomp me or whatever and I can learn form my mistakes. I would only fight outside of a gym or competition if my life depended on it like I was attacked and had no choice, I wouldn't go around like Mike Perry or BJ Penn getting into fights.

Don't get me wrong I love mma especially old school nhb but I also think it attracts some bad apples.
 
Im just interested in 1 vs 1, anything goes fight (withouth weapons) no weight limit, no time, but a challenge fight, not street fight

The origin of Martial Arts is sport.. the sport of Pankration
Do you know about street beefs?
 
Yeah.. wh? do you know about King of the streets

There is a video of a Jujitsu guy that beat a guy with a firearm, in argentina i think
Yes I know of King of the streets especially the Polish guy getting KO'd by the English savage, that's ok they're grown men but someone will eventually get killed, not really a fan of it.

I think street beefs is as realistic as far as fighting goes for the average person that has some experience in martial arts or combat sports, UFC is elite combat athletes so it's unrealistic to use that as an example of how 1 vs 1 fights will unfold between average trained people, street beefs to me is a better medium of how those sorts of individuals react in street fights.
 
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