The Russian Banger Pavlovich prototype is nothing new

Even in his recent fights I wouldn't simplify it was just "brawling". Yes, it's aggressive. Yes, he's applying tons of pressure. But it's very purposeful and calculated in how it's applied. Against Tuivasa and Lewis both he crossed the cage, took their space, and then found the distance where he could reach them with his absurd orangutan-like arms but where they couldn't hit him back before uncorking his heat. Both men tried swinging back as he was pummeling them only to hit nothing but air because Pavlovich's understanding of distance management and how to use his reach is deceptively good. He has a good, refined killer instinct -- when he gets his opponent hurt and they try to get away from him he doesn't rush in blindly swinging haymakers to try and finish the job -- he simply finds that "golden distance" to once again rinse and repeat with another calculated barrage until they fall over. He'll mix in some shovel hooks/uppercuts in addition to his straight punches to get underneath their guard or to finish them off once they're doubled over.

Defensively, he was using head movement and his shoulders to calmly slip & roll counter-punches from Tuivasa during the finishing sequence.

The guy isn't Tyson Fury by any means, but he has deceptively good striking mechanics behind all that raw power. More than people give him credit for, at any rate.

This is a good analysis. And his defense has improved from his Fight Night Global fights in Russia back then he used less head movement and when on the kill didn't pace himself. It would be nice to see him incorporate more knees like he did back then or elbows. I feel for his style that kicks would only be useful if they are rare or push kicks. He allegedly has a wrestling base from his childhood and Sambo background.

Literally the exact opposite of brawling....
 
Igor was just a few years removed from being Russian. He deserves a mention.

Too small and didn't beat the caliber that Sergei Kharitonov and Aleks beat
Those Pride fights look awful, it's like watching a slowed down filmi.

Aleks and Sergei were great strikers. Aleks has outside the cage issues but displayed in many fights a very competent level. Who knows what he could of achieved although I do think Pavlovich is more athletically gifted than Aleks. Now Sergei Kharitonov is impressive athletically despite losing to Aleks and really showed later on very refined striking.
 
Aleks nowdays loses to youtubers. He is a complete bum of a human being.
 
Igor was just a few years removed from being Russian. He deserves a mention.

I mentioned Igor but he wasn't well rounded like Aleks and Sergei were. With that said Igor was still awesome and would have beaten the shit out of the Derrick Lewis's of the world.
 
Aleks nowdays loses to youtubers. He is a complete bum of a human being.

Aleks has CTE and destroyed his central nervous system via alcoholism. A sad case and one of the biggest wastes of talent in the history of the sport.
 
This is a good analysis. And his defense has improved from his Fight Night Global fights in Russia back then he used less head movement and when on the kill didn't pace himself. It would be nice to see him incorporate more knees like he did back then or elbows. I feel for his style that kicks would only be useful if they are rare or push kicks. He allegedly has a wrestling base from his childhood and Sambo background..

I feel that does also fit into what I was saying though, early Sergei P to me it seemed like really what he brought into the sport was mostly athleticism similar to Francis and its bene more a case of a MMA training environment improving that. Someone like Sergei K was alreadty a very good conventional boxer by MMA standards before he entered MMA(or at least before he went full time in Pride).

I think Sergei P is really more akin to Arlovski were you could see the raw talent early on but more technical refinement came afterwards although I think Arlovski went further in that direction, his striking by the mid 00's was very significantly better technically than it was at the start of the decade.
 
That fkn bottle eh?

Robbed us of what could have been a true great at HW. Aleks was REALLY fast for a guy so big.

Beating Sergei how he did at that time was massive. He was one of the best boxers in MMA at the time and got smoked standing, yes he fucked around and found out... but that Aleks was a problem for anyone.

Just turns out "Anyone" also means housekeepers


Sergei had Aleks man, he was clearly ahead in the fight and Aleks was al red from frustration and getting handled.
 


With all the hype Pavlovich has been getting (well deserved) its important to take a look at the origins of the Pavlovich prototype and where it was first seen. It was first seen in Japan in the Pride ring many years ago. Almost 20 years ago to be exact. Pride had REEL Russian bangers with REEL hands and REEL sambo 17 years ago. Basically the Pavlocich prototype everyone is hyped about today. The hype is desrevee and Pavlovich is awesome but what he brings to the table in terms of SKILL is nothing new and not a product of evolution.

Aleks was was 6'5 250lbs with lightning fast hands and KO power with slick footwork and he had YEARS of training grappling with prime Fedor. Sergei was a 6'4 240lb paratrooper who could have boxed in the Olympics and also spent years training Sambo with Fedor and with masters like Volk Han. He had insane toughness and fighting spirit and fought Werdum and Big Nog on the ground during their grappling primes and never came close to being submitted. Both of these guys were in their 20s and in their PRIME and throwing down toe to toe with skill and big PAUER much like Pavlocich does.

Not only were they throwing down hard but they were also demonstrating skill and control. It never looked like they were wild or sloppy. Each shot they threw was thrown with meaning and purpose. They had clean footowrk and adept movement.

Aleks was light on his feet and setting up his shots with feints and snappy jabs and he was landing lightning fast right hands. Sergei was moving forward like a tank and rolling with shots and using an educated jab until he eventually found his mark with the right hand and dropped Aleks and immediately mounted him. Getting mounted by Sergei while being rocked was a DANGEROUS PLACE. Look what he did to Schilt. Smashed his face witb hammer fists until Schilt started grunting like a dying animal.



Aleks stayed cool and tied Sergei up and somehow surived and scrambled out of mount and regained his guard and eventually got back up where the the two bangers squared off again. Aleks measures Sergei and hits him with a sniper like right hand and stuns him and Sergei puts on his poker face and tries to reel Aleks in to brawl and Aleks cracks him with the same right hand again and sends Sergei down, diving for his legs after getting visibily hurt and ends up giving up position to Aleks. Aleks put him in a dagestani handcuff and finishes Sergei EASTERN PROMISES prison shower scene style with grounded knees to the head late into the 10 min first round.

The way Aleks dropped Sergei was nice but the way he finished the fight was even more impressive. He held Sergei in the Dagestani handcuff position while kneeing Sergeis skull to China. This technique is used by guys like Khabib and Bader (recently used it on Fedor) and newer fans marvel at this technique like it's something new but its actually nothing new. As you can see Pride HWs were using this move on the white rings of Pride 18 years ago.

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When you understand the striking skill and grappling skill that these guys had in depth you understand that these men were SKILLED and their skillsets transcended the so called "EVOLUTION" theory which U FIGHT CHEAP stans push to diminish the guys from the past. Their skills would be VALID today nearly 20 years later.

Aleks and Sergei were either equal to or more skilled than guys like Lewis, Tuivasa, Gane, Jarzino and Volkov depending on the match ups. They would be in the top 5 in the UFC today and they would be potential title contenders just like Pavlovich is which is remarkable considering they were at their best almost 20 years ago.

In Pride they were top 10 HWs trying to prove themselves. Let that sink in. It's important to study these fights in the heavies where the narrative is that men didn't know how to fight until the UFC bought Strikeforce. It's simply Dana White stan shill talk. These guys would have been throwing down on the highest level today, ALL DAY.

Another Russian banger from those days who was similar to Aleks and Sergei was Roman Zentsov who was good but he wasn't quite as good as them but he still had crazy knockout power in both hands and also spent years training his grappling with Fedor, Sergei and Aleks. I think he could have easily banged with the Lewis and Tuivasa types of today. All day.



The HW division in those days was skilled and the HW division of those days was DEEP. Roman wasn't even in the top 10. He wasnt even in the top 15 which is wild. You had multiple Pavlovich prototypes in those days PLUS the top dogs like Fedor, Nog, Cop, Nett, Werdum, Hunt, AA, Tim, Ricco, Mir, and Randy and dangerous fringe top15 guys like Coleman, Randleman, Gary, Fujita, Igor, Herring and Schilt lurking.

It's really important for U FIGHT CHEAP fans of today to understand that when it comes to the HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION, they are watching a WORSE PRODUCT, featuring less skill and less depth. It doesn't mean the HWs today suck, it just means they're not as good. Hope you enjoyed my thread.


How long did it took to post this?
 
Prime Aleks could def be champ today which is wild to think about since he was barely top 10 at his best back then. HW had some incredible grapplers back then like Barnett and Werdum who he couldnt get past. The depth of HW was at its peak back then still never been close to as good.

Jailton, maybe Aspinall would be the only real grappling threats to him. And Jailton is a small HW. Romanov, Espino and Spivac are probably the next 3 best grapplers in UFC HW LMFAO. The grappling level is at all time lows @ HW and LHW. They'd get rekt. Blaydes is too chinny and wouldnt be able to deal with the handspeed.

Gane VS mid 00s Aleks wouldve been a war and damn fun to watch. One dimensional low level guys like Lewis, Pavlovich, Tai, Daukaus have nothing for him. He is far more talented, athletic, faster than the likes of Volkov and Rozenstruik.
Blaydes Is chinny because he got KOd by Lewis and Ngannou?
 
Sergei had Aleks man, he was clearly ahead in the fight and Aleks was al red from frustration and getting handled.

Shouldn't have taunted him. 100% right .. but he got that win off it
 
Shouldn't have taunted him. 100% right .. but he got that win off it

Yeah i watched the fight on youtube not knowing the result and was completely like WTF are you doing??? Also the brutal ending. That and his fight VS Overeem :(
 
Those knees are fantastic, god I wish the UFC allowed those.

Aleks was like 25 years old, but with the prison tats and gut he looked 35. Very undisciplined and was an alcoholic and he'd still show up and compete like that. Some guys are just freaks. Such a waste of talent
 
Yeah i watched the fight on youtube not knowing the result and was completely like WTF are you doing??? Also the brutal ending. That and his fight VS Overeem :(

I'm a MASSIVE Reem fan, was back then, and remember that fight very well, it was on a very underrated event. Sergei injured his shoulder trying to defend the takedown. Basically couldn't do shit to defend himself
 
Sergei had Aleks man, he was clearly ahead in the fight and Aleks was al red from frustration and getting handled.

Really was pretty even I'd say, Sergei had the edge technically but Aleks speed was causing him problems, Sergei tapping his chin was not an issue in that fight either, Aleks did not catch him doing it he caught him a second or two afterwards when Sergei had reset.

Post Pride really Aleks went off the rails quite fast, maybe due to not being able to fight in the US(for Hep or criminal record or whatever it was) or just because he started drinking again, went progressively downhill whilst picking up easy wins for a few years then started to lose.

Ironically Aleks today actually looks in pretty decent shape physically, technically he's dropped off(grappling seems almost non existent now) but not training much during his mid career probably kept him in better shape than Sergei or Fedor.
 
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