The Russian Banger Pavlovich prototype is nothing new

Karelinator said:
Francis' striking looks pretty solid at times.

Seems that he'd completely disregarded Rozenstruik from whatever reason, and decided that he will just whack him.

Worked perfectly, but could have ended badly for him, kinda risky approach.
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Francis developed a jab and is a lot more patient today. He has 7 years of experience now.
 
Diamondsareforever47 said:
he tried to say Fedor was KOd by a hook from Bader when it was a jab and someone proke it down frame by frame to prove it. He never admitted his mistakes like a man instead he flees and insults others who dare critique Pride fighters.
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I don’t want to derail the thread or anything, but the shot that dropped Fedor in Fedor-Bader 1 was a corkscrew hook. That punch is NOT a jab, anyone who thinks it is, straight up doesn’t know what they are looking at. You can literally contrast this with Fedor-Bader 2, when Bader did land a jab on Fedor. It is a totally different strike, and the jab landed in Fedor-Bader 2 did not rock, drop, or KO Fedor at all.

In fact, if you watch the hype videos for the 2nd fight, Bader literally says that in the first fight, he threw feints out there, Fedor reacted the way he wanted, and ran right into his left hook.
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly I think Pavlovic has more in common with Ngannou than he does these guys, he's more a big powerful brawler who rushes people down, arguably even less refined than Francis.
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I agree with the comparison, but I disagree that he's less refined. I think it's the opposite. He walks people down, and actually has better accuracy with his punches and has better head movement than Ngannou. He's probably not as good when it comes to defensive wrestling, though.
 
Pilo said:
I agree with the comparison, but I disagree that he's less refined. I think it's the opposite. He walks people down, and actually has better accuracy with his punches and has better head movement than Ngannou. He's probably not as good when it comes to defensive wrestling, though.
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I spose you could say he's more consistent, he tends to walk people down though aggressive boxing which is fairly accurate. Francis throws some stuff which gets really wild but also I do think some of his distance control and some one off punches can be surprisingly refined.

I think he's a little similar to Wand in that fashion personally, mentally you could argue Francis has shown more weakness than prime Wand did but In terms of being a fighter who might often look sloppy with windmilling punchs BUT can also pull out some really well timed shots as well.
 
The Last King said:
Francis developed a jab and is a lot more patient today. He has 7 years of experience now.
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Imaginr what Ngannous jab would do to little Fedor

If Baders jab can make Fedor go unconscious

Just imagine what a Ngannou jab would do?

Let alone

Imagine what a Ngannou hook or uppercut could do
BFoe said:
I don’t want to derail the thread or anything, but the shot that dropped Fedor in Fedor-Bader 1 was a corkscrew hook. That punch is NOT a jab, anyone who thinks it is, straight up doesn’t know what they are looking at. You can literally contrast this with Fedor-Bader 2, when Bader did land a jab on Fedor. It is a totally different strike, and the jab landed in Fedor-Bader 2 did not rock, drop, or KO Fedor at all.

In fact, if you watch the hype videos for the 2nd fight, Bader literally says that in the first fight, he threw feints out there, Fedor reacted the way he wanted, and ran right into his left hook.
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Send me the link please I want to see a breakdown.

Irregardless he is one of the most intolerant, delusional, angry and illogical posters who makes a fool of himself. If he is really a Fedor fan he will take down his avatar of Fedor with that obese retard who is not respected in Russia and replace the avatar with a Fedor and Putin picture. You know someone Fedor actually respects and is friends with.

Also defending Aleks from rape when even Fedor knows Aleks is guilty.

I swear pro Russian Americand need ti heed the advice of Russian speakers. You like Russia fighters and history of MMA? Well why not listen to reality of what Fedor has actually said.
Pilo said:
I agree with the comparison, but I disagree that he's less refined. I think it's the opposite. He walks people down, and actually has better accuracy with his punches and has better head movement than Ngannou. He's probably not as good when it comes to defensive wrestling, though.
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We have to see but Ngannou is not a brawler. Ngannou is an excellent striker with great hands and kicks and excellent defensive wrestling and even displayed offensive wrestling against Stip3 and Gane who he both took down.
 
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The Last King said:
Francis developed a jab and is a lot more patient today. He has 7 years of experience now.
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I mean, Rozenstruik fight wasn't even 3 years ago, and he only had 2 fights after it.

He's been showing some very decent striking long before that fight.

It's just that he decided to go berserk for this particular one, making it like the opposite of Lewis fight.

Maybe he was injured, and knew he cannot fight for 3 rounds, or something.
 
Loved the OP by TS, yes Aleks is a rapist and seem to be a man of low morals but I don’t think we need to discuss that anymore.

OT: You are actually right TS, Pride HWs would be very dominant in modern mma.

Man i miss prime CC!
 
Some pretty bad takes in this thread. I'm convinced a lot of the subtleties of Pavlovich's style are lost on people. The guy is low-key way better than just some jacked bruiser who rushes towards people windmilling punches like a buffoon. If that's all you're seeing, you're not looking hard enough or possibly don't know what you're watching.
 
Safton said:
Some pretty bad takes in this thread. I'm convinced a lot of the subtleties of Pavlovich's style are lost on people. The guy is low-key way better than just some jacked bruiser who rushes towards people windmilling punches like a buffoon. If that's all you're seeing, you're not looking hard enough or possibly don't know what you're watching.
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I agree. Pav has a good jab and good cross and measures distance well. He brawled in his recent fights because of WHO he was fighting. He wouldn't approach all his opponents this way and def wouldn't approach fighting Aleks or Sergei this way. He could get away with brawling Lewis and Tuivasa because they're not fast and not good enough to counter him so he went in guns blazing.
 
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BFoe said:
I don’t want to derail the thread or anything, but the shot that dropped Fedor in Fedor-Bader 1 was a corkscrew hook. That punch is NOT a jab, anyone who thinks it is, straight up doesn’t know what they are looking at. You can literally contrast this with Fedor-Bader 2, when Bader did land a jab on Fedor. It is a totally different strike, and the jab landed in Fedor-Bader 2 did not rock, drop, or KO Fedor at all.

In fact, if you watch the hype videos for the 2nd fight, Bader literally says that in the first fight, he threw feints out there, Fedor reacted the way he wanted, and ran right into his left hook.
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Don't feed the troll
 
The Last King said:
I agree. Pav has a good jab and good cross and measures distance well. He brawled in his recent fights because of WHO he was fighting. He wouldn't approach all his opponents this way and def wouldn't approach fighting Aleks or Sergei this way. He could get away with brawling Lewis and Tuivasa because they're not fast and not good enough to counter him so he won't guns blazing.
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Even in his recent fights I wouldn't simplify it was just "brawling". Yes, it's aggressive. Yes, he's applying tons of pressure. But it's very purposeful and calculated in how it's applied. Against Tuivasa and Lewis both he crossed the cage, took their space, and then found the distance where he could reach them with his absurd orangutan-like arms but where they couldn't hit him back before uncorking his heat. Both men tried swinging back as he was pummeling them only to hit nothing but air because Pavlovich's understanding of distance management and how to use his reach is actually pretty damn good. He has a very refined killer instinct -- when he gets his opponent hurt and they try to get away from him he doesn't rush in blindly swinging haymakers to try and finish the job -- he simply finds that "golden distance" to once again rinse and repeat with another calculated barrage until they fall over. He'll mix in some shovel hooks/uppercuts in addition to his straight punches to get underneath their guard or to finish them off once they're doubled over.

Defensively, he was using head movement and his shoulders to calmly slip & roll counter-punches from Tuivasa during the finishing sequence.

The guy isn't Tyson Fury by any means, but he has deceptively good boxing mechanics behind all that raw power. More than people give him credit for, at any rate.
 
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Safton said:
Even in his recent fights I wouldn't simplify it was just "brawling". Yes, it's aggressive. Yes, he's applying tons of pressure. But it's very purposeful and calculated in how it's applied. Against Tuivasa and Lewis both he crossed the cage, took their space, and then found the distance where he could reach them with his absurd orangutan-like arms but where they couldn't hit him back before uncorking his heat. Both men tried swinging back as he was pummeling them only to hit nothing but air because Pavlovich's understanding of distance management and how to use his reach is deceptively good. He has a good, refined killer instinct -- when he gets his opponent hurt and they try to get away from him he doesn't rush in blindly swinging haymakers to try and finish the job -- he simply finds that "golden distance" to once again rinse and repeat with another calculated barrage until they fall over. He'll mix in some shovel hooks/uppercuts in addition to his straight punches to get underneath their guard or to finish them off once they're doubled over.

Defensively, he was using head movement and his shoulders to calmly slip & roll counter-punches from Tuivasa during the finishing sequence.

The guy isn't Tyson Fury by any means, but he has deceptively good striking mechanics behind all that raw power. More than people give him credit for, at any rate.
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Agreed
 
Igor was just a few years removed from being Russian. He deserves a mention.
 
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