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I'm sorry dude but someone like bas, kyokushin black belt, lifelong martial artist, fighter, competitor etc. I'm going to take his word over someone advocating nonsense
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Yeah see but bas is only used to fighting in a sport type situation where you got rules! Shot holes in your sport vs "real fight " defense
You can't fake things anymore due to technology, what works works and what doesn't doesn't
Bas also advocates Krav Maga as "the best system in the world for self defence"
So you better start training it, Bas said it was the best. Hurry along now...
Jkd was not mma. Bruce "concept" was mma. Back in the day people didn't really cross train, they were stuck in whatever they did out of some old school martial art tradition BS. Bruce was like hey screw that, I'll train a little this and a little that. His concept was to mix martial arts.....people have been doing that since then. It has evolved to what it is today, through trial and error and being tested and proven effective in the ring and cage.
I'm expecting WC to be like flurries in the movies? No I'm expecting it to be like the previous video you posted. We just don't see it.
What works in the ring works out of the ring.
What does not work outside of the ring, does not work in the ring.
There's things that work out of the ring that would work in the ring but aren't allowed for obvious reasons like eye pokes but shots hair pulling biting.....oh yeah and dim mak death touch lol.
So to summarize your arguments
1) too dangerous for ring
2) no grandmasters
To summarize mine
1) hasn't proven itself
2) your attempts at proving are "reaching"
So you're saying JKD was not MMA, but it was MMA, before 'MMA'...ok dude make up your mind.
Either way lumping it as a 'fantasy art' is obviously bs since they were among the first in the US to advocate cross training and live sparring of different styles.
You're not saying anything new.
Lets sumarize the actual arguments we agree on:
- Combat sports allow you train the techniques full speed and power in competition which improves fighting ability.
- Someone who trains combat sports will usually whoop a TMA guy both in and outside of the ring, with and without rules since they are better at fighting.
Now where you are wrong:
What works in the ring works out of the ring.
What does not work outside of the ring, does not work in the ring.
Um, yes and no. But you can't make that as a general statement.
Upto certain point yes.
There are multiple moves and situations that work in the ring that do not work outside the ring.
Examples:
-Going for an armbar then the guy picks you up and slams your head on concrete.
- Buttscooting then getting kicked in the face with a boot
-Throwing multiple jabs and breaking your hands without gloves
- Going for a Thai plum and being brutally thrown or footswept on concrete
Etc
And plenty that works outside the ring that would work in it if not for rules and protection
E.g
- Clavicle grab
- Groin strikes
- Fish hooks
- Gouging from striking or grappling range
- Other dangerous strikes
Etc
Yes, the pro fighter could do all the above also. But if both guys were doing it the style of fighting would look different.
So I am saying that a style developed to work in real no rules situations will have to change and look different in sports. Strategy will also look different.
In fact as Bas mentioned in the video above (although I don't advocate krav) "train MMA and self defence techniques and tactics, and you get the best of both worlds".
This is fundamentally true, and alot of what you see in WC comes under what you would call self-defense techniques.
Which is why what I say is valid.
Cross train. Spar. Then train and include whatever works also when there are no rules for self defense.
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