Media The reasons why GSP is le GOAT

[fedorthegoat777]

He was no.1 favorite for the LW title in 2015;



Conor himself admits this.

It doesn't matter how many big wins he has according to your bias opinion, he was already no.1 LW even in 2015.

What difference does this make? Still wasn't champ, was he?

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Only on sherdog someone would call not willing to fight a guy 20 pounds heavier "ducking".

Only on Sherdog will you find some congratulating someone for vacating a title instead of defending it.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

You said big wins, ''big wins'' are irrelevant if you dominate everyone that they put in front of you, not even losing a single round or not get hit, not get hurt etc.

Also, Khabib already dominated RDA in 2014, didn't even lose a round, who was the current champ in 2015, so, that was already a big win even before 2015.

I mean, he didn't suck. Greatest lightweight of all time.
How many title defenses and big wins did he have compared to Silva, Jones, fedor, and GSP. All those guys are in another category. Who cares about winning rounds, win some fights and some big ones.

 

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You can't be contractually obligated to defend a title. That's why champions are basically the few who can negotiate on a fight by fight basis.

Nor can you be obligated to move up to fight the champion in a division above you? That running from Anderson makes no sense unless you claim Anderson ducked Jones. And Jones from all HWs. Aldo ran from LW, etc,etc Also look at how much success Sonnen had against Anderson with only wrestling and then ask what a far better MMA wrestler would do to him. GSP wouldn't get triangled at the last second. At worst he 49-46 UD's Anderson. He also beat and finished Bisping which Anderson could not do.

1. Aldo wanted to fight at LW. The UFC wanted him to vacate the 145 title FIRST.

2. GSP kept saying he wanted to fight Silva then keep moving the goal posts back.
First he said he needed time to make 185, then when they said catchweight at 177 he said no then finally said he wants Silva at 170.

Do you think a 2010 Silva wouldn't finish GSP? Maia bent up Chael like a pretzel and now did the AS fight go? AS intentionally clowned Maia all fight.

 

[Poatan Power]

“GSP is goat because he avenged LOSS to Matt Serra”…



Great logic bud

All of the GOAT candidates have losses, or popped positive for PED's. And, believe it or not since you're new to this, people didn't go undefeated in GSP's era. GSP basically did a merry go round and beat everyone in the WW division of significance at least once, sometimes twice.

He's the GOAT 170. But he ran away from AS and Whittaker.

"I am contractually obligated to defend my title."

I'm still waiting

Such a bullshit argument that you could make about every GOAT candidate ever.

- Fedor ran away from the UFC
- Jones ran away from Francis
- Silva ran away from xyz LHW's
- GSP ran away from Silva
- etc. etc.

1. Aldo wanted to fight at LW. The UFC wanted him to vacate the 145 title FIRST.

2. GSP kept saying he wanted to fight Silva then keep moving the goal posts back.
First he said he needed time to make 185, then when they said catchweight at 177 he said no then finally said he wants Silva at 170.

Do you think a 2010 Silva wouldn't finish GSP? Maia bent up Chael like a pretzel and now did the AS fight go? AS intentionally clowned Maia all fight.

1. That's MMAth. Doesn't equate.
2. Silva popped positive for PED's, GSP didn't
3. GSP was the smaller fighter, he SHOULD be the one to dictate weight and circumstance. Silva had all the advantages.

 

[Poatan Power]

Khabib's legacy in MMA is this:

• Khabib never been knocked out
• Never been rocked
• Not once bleed in the octagon
• Not one round where his opponent is the aggressor/ more dominant fighter, Khabib is the hammer and you are the nail
• Most 10-8 round in UFC although only been fighting 13 times.
• Don't use PED.
• No oilgate/vaseline-gate, etc.
• Never in any danger whatsoever inside the octagon.
• No rule breaking bullshit.
• Zero cheating and foul in the octagon.

The most dominant fighter in MMA by far, it is very very hard to replicate what Khabib had done inside the octagon.

Also most Russian/Ex-USSR countries fighters that Khabib fought before UFC are probably better grappler/sambo than during his UFC dominance.

Khabib is the best lightweight in the world since 2014/2015/2016 until his 2020 retirement, albeit with or without belt this is the fact.

The best MMA grappler of all time.

And according to Khabib he is not THE BEST OF ALL TIME (Best of GOATs), but just ONE OF THE BEST or AMONG THE BEST.

Nobody can deny his last performance against Gaethje, if anybody is having doubt you can just watched this again:

yawn.

His resume isn't even worth mentioning after reviewing Jones, GSP and Silva. He's great, but the legacy doesn't have the depth that they have.

 

[jons333]

titles defenses don't mean shit it's just a promotionional tactic to sell fights how do you all still not know this?. even if khabib never defended his belt what he did was still more impressive than DJ defending his belt 10 times against joe olivi and part time cab drivers.

 

[User4908]

Only on sherdog someone would call not willing to fight a guy 20 pounds heavier "ducking".

All of the GOAT candidates have losses, or popped positive for PED's. And, believe it or not since you're new to this, people didn't go undefeated in GSP's era. GSP basically did a merry go round and beat everyone in the WW division of significance at least once, sometimes twice.



Such a bullshit argument that you could make about every GOAT candidate ever.

- Fedor ran away from the UFC
- Jones ran away from Francis
- Silva ran away from xyz LHW's
- GSP ran away from Silva
- etc. etc.



1. That's MMAth. Doesn't equate.
2. Silva popped positive for PED's, GSP didn't
3. GSP was the smaller fighter, he SHOULD be the one to dictate weight and circumstance. Silva had all the advantages.

This is mental gymnastics at its finest… GSP jar multiple losses in which he was finished decisively. There’s not much more to say than that.

Khabib and Jones have operated at an excellence which GSP could simply not match.

 

[Poatan Power]

This is mental gymnastics at its finest… GSP jar multiple losses in which he was finished decisively. There’s not much more to say than that.

Khabib and Jones have operated at an excellence which GSP could simply not match.

Yes, he had 2 losses and was finished. Then later in his career was criticized for not taking risks.

Jones notwithstanding, Khabib doesn't have a long enough tenure to be compared to GSP. GSP won something like 80 rounds in a row at the welterweight division in dominant fashion, finished the GOAT Hughes twice and went 12-0 over 6 years after his last loss in 2007. Then went up to 185 and won the title.

GSP's detractions were that he lost twice, but then he finished both of those opponents after. He is criticized for losing those 2 fights but then subsequently criticized for not taking any risks and dominating 70-80 rounds in a row. That analysis has fallen by the wayside now because people understand the dominance he showed. They also understand that GSP was out wrestling D1 wrestlers when he had no wrestling background which is fucking insane.

Khabib also has detractions. Only 3 title defenses and missed weight twice, can't fix/adjust/avenge those. That's why he'll never touch GOAT because Jones/Silva/GSP have too long of tenures, title defenses, and time dominant in their division that Khabib didn't come anywhere close to.

26-2 in his division in that era with wins over the only 2 people to ever beat him is why GSP is a couple levels above Khabib's truncated championship reign.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Only on Sherdog will you find some congratulating someone for vacating a title instead of defending it.

When did i congratulate him?

 

[ThunderStruck]

This is mental gymnastics at its finest… GSP jar multiple losses in which he was finished decisively. There’s not much more to say than that.

Khabib and Jones have operated at an excellence which GSP could simply not match.

Khabib doesn't even have 5 top 5 wins. Easy to excel when you've been challenged so few times. Jones' excellence is the product of PEDs. His excellence has been mediocre now that he's been limited to pictograms.

 

[Poatan Power]

Khabib doesn't even have 5 top 5 wins. Easy to excel when you've been challenged so few times. Jones' excellence is the product of PEDs. His excellence has been mediocre now that he's been limited to pictograms.

That's the thing. Khabib is great, but Khabib's resume is similar to if GSP retired in like 2009.

GSP fought Matt Hughes in his 8th professional fight. HIS 8TH PROFESSIONAL FIGHT. He fought the GOAT for the title that early in his career and this dolt is trying to say it's a detraction from his legacy. Khabib in his 8th fight was fighting 2-1 Ali Bagov in a regional can crushing promotion at 170 lbs. I'm pretty sure GSP would have won that fight at Global Battle 2, as well.

 

[ThunderStruck]

That's the thing. Khabib is great, but Khabib's resume is similar to if GSP retired in like 2009.

GSP fought Matt Hughes in his 8th professional fight. HIS 8TH PROFESSIONAL FIGHT. He fought the GOAT for the title that early in his career and this dolt is trying to say it's a detraction from his legacy. Khabib in his 8th fight was fighting 2-1 Ali Bagov in a regional can crushing promotion at 170 lbs. I'm pretty sure GSP would have won that fight at Global Battle 2, as well.

Exactly, Khabib would of had losses too if he was fed to the wolves as early in his career as GSP did.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

khabib vs gsp would have been amazing to watch - hands down, gsp beats him.

 

[User4908]

Yes, he had 2 losses and was finished. Then later in his career was criticized for not taking risks.

Jones notwithstanding, Khabib doesn't have a long enough tenure to be compared to GSP. GSP won something like 80 rounds in a row at the welterweight division in dominant fashion, finished the GOAT Hughes twice and went 12-0 over 6 years after his last loss in 2007. Then went up to 185 and won the title.

GSP's detractions were that he lost twice, but then he finished both of those opponents after. He is criticized for losing those 2 fights but then subsequently criticized for not taking any risks and dominating 70-80 rounds in a row. That analysis has fallen by the wayside now because people understand the dominance he showed. They also understand that GSP was out wrestling D1 wrestlers when he had no wrestling background which is fucking insane.

Khabib also has detractions. Only 3 title defenses and missed weight twice, can't fix/adjust/avenge those. That's why he'll never touch GOAT because Jones/Silva/GSP have too long of tenures, title defenses, and time dominant in their division that Khabib didn't come anywhere close to.

26-2 in his division in that era with wins over the only 2 people to ever beat him is why GSP is a couple levels above Khabib's truncated championship reign.

Lol at the “Top 5” argument… guys like Dan Hardy, Nick Diaz, Matt Serra, 12-20 BJ Penn, etc would not get title shots in today’s welterweight division.


Again you’re making your entire argument without factoring in strength of schedule OR those embarrassing losses on his resume.


No “GOAT” should lose to the Matt Serra’s of his division let alone tap to strikes lol… that’s the equivalent of Jon Jones going 1-1 with Anthony the Hippo Perosh… it’s flat out EMBARRASSING, no matter how many many mental gymnastics you attempt.

 

[alex21cms]

If an avenging every loss, divisional GOAT, who holds the lineal belt in not one, but two divisions, who has 13 title wins, while cleaning out 3 generations of fighters who were higher ranked & had a higher winning percentage compared to every other GOAT's, isn't the GOAT. Quite literally no one is, or will be.



Some of ya'lls dumb arbitrary reasoning for why he isn't, you could use for pretty much everyone else. Sera? AS has a loss to a negative ratio can. Hendricks?(Weird that he "beat" or "molested" {LOL} GSP into retirement when Hendricks lost, that's how you know you're a GOAT, when a close fight is used against you) Jones vs, Gus 1, Santos, Reyes.

HGH gut/Gyno? Yup the guy who advocated for stronger testing is the guy whose using. Probably just wanted himself to get caught, 5D chess GSP is playing. With absolute zero evidence, besides ya'lls favorite popping, so therefore everyone must be on it. Besides it's weird his HGH gut magically disappears when you're not taking pictures at specific angels, or he's never shown it ever except in a photo he's breathing out in. Hell even I have more "gyno" than him, and I've never touched a PED in my life.

Vasaline? Wasn't him that did it, he never told him to do it, and it literally got wiped off, nor would it have changed the outcome.

Tapping to strikes? Just because he isn't retarded like you doesn't mean he doesn't value his brain. Frank Mir who openly made fun of people tapping to strikes, tapped to strikes, because that shit hurts. GSP then went on to avenge by brutal finish, and become a divisional GoAT, and higher weight champion to cement overall GOAT.

A 15-25 minute destruction & systematic breakdown of their opponent is just as worthy of praise than a finish, if not more so, as some of you will claim certain finishes are "flukes".

And to the ones claiming GSP fans always make threads, are either new fans, or looking through rose tinted glasses to not remember the HUNDREDS of threads claiming Jones & especially Silva were GOAT. Why'd they stop? Well they either continued to pop, or lose, or turn out fights that "they should have lost"(y'all word, not mine) & all while GSP came back 4 years later at a higher weight, to beat the guy who KO'd like, & out struck Anderson Silva. Nobody knew Bisping had 1 eye until relatively recently, & it wasn't enough to deter him from becoming a champ so moot point.

Any other "rebuttals" are dumb as shit merits.

so that proves GSP s Fangirls are the biggest casuals of the sport

 

[dipstickjimmy]

1. Aldo wanted to fight at LW. The UFC wanted him to vacate the 145 title FIRST.

2. GSP kept saying he wanted to fight Silva then keep moving the goal posts back.
First he said he needed time to make 185, then when they said catchweight at 177 he said no then finally said he wants Silva at 170.

Do you think a 2010 Silva wouldn't finish GSP? Maia bent up Chael like a pretzel and now did the AS fight go? AS intentionally clowned Maia all fight.

No I do not think Anderson a 2010 would finish GSP. I am actually glad the fight never happened because it likely would have been shit. Anderson tries to force fighters to chase him and let him get their timing down. He then tries to land counter kill shots. GSP would not dive into his traps like so many others. Could have easily turned into a Yoel vs Izzy or Severn vs Shamrock snooze fest.

GSP did not keep saying he wants Silva. It was Silva calling out GSP. Chasing the smaller guy is chicken shit IMO. Anderson magically was "Friends" with Jon Jones so they couldn't fight even though that was a fight fans were calling for. GSP saying "If" I move to 185 it will take time to put on size is not saying I am moving to 185 to fight Anderson. Turns out he was exactly right as he had a horrible time trying to add weight for the Bisping fight.

 

[Thai Domi]

 

[Poatan Power]

Lol at the “Top 5” argument… guys like Dan Hardy, Nick Diaz, Matt Serra, 12-20 BJ Penn, etc would not get title shots in today’s welterweight division.


Again you’re making your entire argument without factoring in strength of schedule OR those embarrassing losses on his resume.


No “GOAT” should lose to the Matt Serra’s of his division let alone tap to strikes lol… that’s the equivalent of Jon Jones going 1-1 with Anthony the Hippo Perosh… it’s flat out EMBARRASSING, no matter how many many mental gymnastics you attempt.

I don't think "mental gymnastics" means what you think it means. Also, Dan Hardy, Nick Diaz, Matt Serra wouldn't get a WW title shot today?

Jorge Masvidal just got 2 title shots. That was super necessary, right?

you're mostly trolling since you're calling a loss to MATT HUGHES in GSP's 8th career fight embarrassing.

strength of schedule? Khabib's opponents had a 58% winning percentage before his UFC debut (counting their career totals). That's 16 fights. Over half of his career against absolute slobs with a winning record of 58%. Here are their records

• 2-5 (0-0 at time)
• 3-8 (0-4)
• 12-5 (1-0)
• 4-3 (2-0)
• 0-1 (0-0)
• 13-2 (1-0)
• 12-3 (2-0)
• 31-11 (2-1)
• 9-11 (5-3)
• 5-3 (4-1)
• 13-13 (13-8)
• 2-5 (0-2)
• 3-6 (1-1)
• 8-4 (4-3)
• 8-5 (0-0)
• 41-38 (28-23)

Takeaways
- Opponents Record/% at time of fight: 63-46 (58%)
- Opponents Career Records: 166-123 (57%)
- 75% of Khabib's pre-UFC fights, he was the more experienced fighter
- In 31% of his pre-UFC fights, Khabib fought a winless opponent
- Only 1/16 of Khabib's pre-UFC opponents have a Wiki page
- Khabib fought fighters with an 0-0 record in his 1st, 5th and 15th pre-UFC fights.
- In fights where Khabib faced opponents with less fights than him, he averaged six more professional bouts.

GSP's pre-UFC competition

• 25-12 (4-0)
• 7-3 (4-1)
• 18-7 (5-1)
• 10-9 (27-21)
• 25-24 (12-6)
• 25-8 (21-5)

Takeaways
- Opponents Record/% at time of fight: 73-34 (68%)
- Opponents Career Records: 110-63 (64%)
- GSP never fought an opponent who had less experience than him
- GSP never fought a winless opponent
- GSP never fought an opponent with a losing record
- GSP only had 5 professional fights before coming to the UFC

By GSP's 18th fight, he had won and unified the UFC WW gold and finished Hughes and Serra who had previously beaten him. In Khabib's 18th fight, he was on the prelims and on his first PPV. Why don't we look at the UFC competition?

Khabib:

• 9-5-2 (7-1-2)
• 36-15 (27-7)
• 24-11-1 (17-4-1)
• 15-9 (10-4) (Khabib missed weight)
• 34-24 (29-17)
• 30-13 (20-6)
• 14-4 (12-1)
• 19-17 (17-10)
• 22-9 (19-4)
• 14-6 -1 (13-1-1)
• 22-6 (21-3)
• 28-6 (25-6)
• 22-3 (22-2)

Total: 290-128
Winning % for opponents career record: 69%

GSP:

• 24-12 (10-2)
• 23-7 (4-0)
• 45-9 (37-4)
• 28-10 (16-3)
• 21-9 (12-3)
• 36-4 (31-3)
• 16-14 (10-2)
• 11-7 (10-4)
• 17-11 (9-1)
• 32-8 (19-2)
• 23-15 (17-5)
• 25-10 (23-6)
• 33-11 (26-4)
• 32-14 (29-5)
• 26-9 (26-8)
• 18-8 (15-1)
• 30-9 (30-7)

Total: 440 - 167
Winning %: 72%
(I did not count Kos x2, Penn x2, Hughes x 3, or Serra x2).

Takeaways
- GSP's UFC competition averaged 26-10 vs Khabib's 22-10
- GSP's opponents are 22-9 and Khabib's opponents averaged 16-9 including pre-UFC competition
- GSP never missed weight
- Khabib never lost
- GSP had 9 title defenses, Khabib 3
- GSP had UFC titles at 170 and 185, Khabib 155
- 21% of GSP fights were outside of the UFC, 54% of them were UFC title fights
- 55% of Khabib's fights were outside of the UFC, 14% of them were UFC title fights
- Khabib finished 66% of his fights, but only 54% of his UFC fights
- GSP only finished 54% of his fights, and only 40% of the UFC fights

Overall, GSP's opponents were more skilled, more experienced, had better records and were more highly ranked than Khabib's throughout their entire careers. GSP's fights were also far more prestigious as more than half of his career fights were with a UFC title on the line. GSP had triple the title defenses of Khabib. I'm not sure if I wanted to how I could make a cognizant argument as to why Khabib has a better GOAT resume than GSP, which is probably why @User4908 and his posts sound mornic.

Thanks for the soap box.

NOTE: I counted one non-UFC fight for GSP as a UFC fight after his loss to Hughes. Whoops. I fixed it.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Lol at the “Top 5” argument… guys like Dan Hardy, Nick Diaz, Matt Serra, 12-20 BJ Penn, etc would not get title shots in today’s welterweight division.


Again you’re making your entire argument without factoring in strength of schedule OR those embarrassing losses on his resume.


No “GOAT” should lose to the Matt Serra’s of his division let alone tap to strikes lol… that’s the equivalent of Jon Jones going 1-1 with Anthony the Hippo Perosh… it’s flat out EMBARRASSING, no matter how many many mental gymnastics you attempt.

You keep exposing yourself as a dumb casual.