"The overall ability has dropped in MMA" - Jon Fitch

[pankrat]

“Clueless” in the eyes of the low iq moron who has no idea what’s hes talking about...

Cowboy was a title contender at lw and had some solid wins at ww.

Perry had couple of decent wins that got him ranked.

neither guy was title contender at ww.

now who did swick beat as a ww?

Josh Burkman, Marcus Davis, Jonathan goulet and Ben Saunders...

yeah definitely as murderers row right there...

get outta here you clown

Swixk and Hardy would not be tittle contenders today. They could compete with Cerrone at WW though, let alone Perry, and beat many guys in the roster.
You are saying neither of them would be even UFC caliber
You are the low iq moron here, clown

 

[grimballer]

Swixk and Hardy would not be tittle contenders today. They could compete with Cerrone at WW though, let alone Perry, and beat many guys in the roster.
You are saying neither of them would be even UFC caliber
You are the low iq moron here, clown

Well hardy was a title contender at one point so that should tell you something...

And I’m sure losing to a powerhouse like Alex Garcia is what ufc calier is all about

 

[pankrat]

Well hardy was a title contender at one point so that should tell you something...

And I’m sure losing to a powerhouse like Alex Garcia is what ufc calier is all about

Shoul tell me what, that he could not compete with the average WW in UFC today? which is what you're saying clown

What kind textbook shertard argument you bring with Alex Garcia you 10 years old iq moron?

 

[grimballer]

Shoul tell me what, that he could not compete with the average WW in UFC today? which is what you're saying clown

What kind textbook shertard argument you bring with Alex Garcia you 10 years old iq moron?

Again you agree that a guy who fought for a title 10 years ago wouldnt be a contender today.... and it’s arguable if he would be ranked at all or in ufc.

In other words you agree overall caliber got better overtime.

Also you just keep proving how clueless you are.

Your world beater mike swick lost to Alex Garcia. A guy who’s 2-6 since and no longer in the ufc.

If you weren’t an extremely low iq moron you would notice the natural progression and how some fighters who were solid at one point would be journeyman at best now.

 

[pankrat]

Again you agree that a guy who fought for a title 10 years ago wouldnt be a contender today.... and it’s arguable if he would be ranked at all or in ufc.

In other words you agree overall caliber got better overtime.

Also you just keep proving how clueless you are.

Your world beater mike swick lost to Alex Garcia. A guy who’s 2-6 since and no longer in the ufc.

If you weren’t an extremely low iq moron you would notice the natural progression and how some fighters who were solid at one point would be journeyman at best now.

Overall caliber got better since 2010 imo, especially in lighter weightclasses and WMMA. Regarding the elite of the heavier divisions, not so much.

Hardy was not regarded top5 WW back then by any outlet; there was a champion who had cleaned out the division, UFC had not absorbed Strikeforce yet, UFC wanted to get in the UK...you didnt notice.

It doesnt mean Dan was a can, definitely capable of beating many in the roster today, but you probably dont even watch fights, shitposting in sherdog.
2010 GSP could very well beat Usman btw. Kamaru's toughest opponent to date for sure


Swick fought Alex Garcia coming out of retirement, after serious health issues, nothing alike the Swick who went 9-1 in UFC. lol with the cheapest fight finder arguments. You are so illiterate, clueless shitposter since 2008

Anyways Fitch disagrees with you - and me to a lesser extent - and you certainly dont know better than long time top ranked WW and staple of AKA from two decades, you low iq illiterate moron

 

[grimballer]

Overall caliber got better since 2010 imo, especially in lighter weightclasses and WMMA. Regarding the elite of the heavier divisions, not so much.

Hardy was not regarded top5 WW back then by any outlet; there was a champion who had cleaned out the division, UFC had not absorbed Strikeforce yet, UFC wanted to get in the UK...you didnt notice.

It doesnt mean Dan was a can, definitely capable of beating many in the roster today, but you probably dont even watch fights, shitposting in sherdog.
2010 GSP could very well beat Usman btw. Kamaru's toughest opponent to date for sure


Swick fought Alex Garcia coming out of retirement, after serious health issues, nothing alike the Swick who went 9-1 in UFC. lol with the cheapest fight finder arguments. You are so illiterate, clueless shitposter since 2008

Anyways Fitch disagrees with you - and me to a lesser extent - and you certainly dont know better than long time top ranked WW and staple of AKA from two decades, you low iq illiterate moron

well you seem to watch a lot of fights (you claim anyways) but it’s obvious you don’t understand what you’re looking at.

There’s a difference between skill and talent.

talent wise, sure some guys from the past would still be good today. Skills wise it’s a different story. Sports evolves quickly.

Someone with Matt Hughes talent would still be a good fighter today, however his skill set would not work in today’s mma.

same with mike perry. Hes a journeyman at this point in 2020. But you take Perry and transport him in 2010 and he becomes one of the most complete fighters.

his striking, grappling and conditioning would be all above average for that time.

same goes for dan hardy. There’s no way he gets anywhere near a title shot in 2020. He would be a prelim fighter at best.

Swick tried his comeback and was sent back home after losing to essentially a journeyman, so I don’t know how that helps your case?

And it’s good Fitch has an opinion and all, but that’s the same guy who got dominated by maia, subd by burkman and ko by Hendricks in his heyday.

Again solid fighter, but doubt he would be a title contender today.

 

[pankrat]

well you seem to watch a lot of fights (you claim anyways) but it’s obvious you don’t understand what you’re looking at.

There’s a difference between skill and talent.

talent wise, sure some guys from the past would still be good today. Skills wise it’s a different story. Sports evolves quickly.

Someone with Matt Hughes talent would still be a good fighter today, however his skill set would not work in today’s mma.

same with mike perry. Hes a journeyman at this point in 2020. But you take Perry and transport him in 2010 and he becomes one of the most complete fighters.

his striking, grappling and conditioning would be all above average for that time.

same goes for dan hardy. There’s no way he gets anywhere near a title shot in 2020. He would be a prelim fighter at best.

Swick tried his comeback and was sent back home after losing to essentially a journeyman, so I don’t know how that helps your case?

And it’s good Fitch has an opinion and all, but that’s the same guy who got dominated by maia, subd by burkman and ko by Hendricks in his heyday.

Again solid fighter, but doubt he would be a title contender today.

"Perry in 2010 would be one of the most complete fighters"

Holly shit

The last time Cerrone armbared somebody was back in 2008 untul he subbed Perry a decade later.
Old Thiago Alves gave Grffin even tougher fight then Prime Mike Perry did.
Perry in his peak goes to a decision with Mickey Gall...who had been finished by Diego Sanchez a year before ¡!
Sanchez and Alves aren't even close at the level they were back in 2010 or even 2005...or Swick or Hardy were in 2010. Im talking skill wise. Get a fucking grip after 12 years in an mma forum, bozo

The rest of your post is similar level of illiteracy, lack of any criteria whatsoever delivered by probably the biggest gold belt shertard in these boards

 

[grimballer]

"Perry in 2010 would be one of the most complete fighters"

Holly shit

The last time Cerrone armbared somebody was back in 2008 untul he subbed Perry a decade later.
Old Thiago Alves gave Grffin even tougher fight then Prime Mike Perry did.
Perry in his peak goes to a decision with Mickey Gall...who had been finished by Diego Sanchez a year before ¡!
Sanchez and Alves aren't even close at the level they were back in 2010 or even 2005...or Swick or Hardy were in 2010. Im talking skill wise. Get a fucking grip after 12 years in an mma forum, bozo

The rest of your post is similar level of illiteracy, lack of any criteria whatsoever delivered by probably the biggest gold belt shertard in these boards

so I guess you decided to go full retard... congrats!

perry in “his peak” is a guy who got married/divorced within a year, doesn’t have a proper team and is cornered only by his new gf (who’s probably more clueless about the sport than even you)....

Yeah! It’s definitely “peak” Perry, smh...

Also Perry getting armbared by a bjj black belt who has 17 sub win in his career means he sucks?

i guess benson getting armbared by Pettis also means he sucks cause that’s Pettis only career armbar victory...

And gotta love the mmath without context

Perry has a win over Ellenberger (who has wins over title contenders like shields and koscheck) and Alex Oliveira (who choked out condit)

So following your dumb “logic”

perry > shields, koscheck and condit

again congrats on making yourself look even dumber!

just forget this account and start over

 

[ThunderStruck]

“Clueless” in the eyes of the low iq moron who has no idea what’s hes talking about...

Cowboy was a title contender at lw and had some solid wins at ww.

Perry had couple of decent wins that got him ranked.

neither guy was title contender at ww.

now who did swick beat as a ww?

Josh Burkman, Marcus Davis, Jonathan goulet and Ben Saunders...

yeah definitely as murderers row right there...

get outta here you clown

Swick and Hardy >>>> Cowboy at WW. Learn the game bro.

 

[grimballer]

Swick and Hardy >>>> Cowboy at WW. Learn the game bro.

That’s cause cowboy mostly fought as a lw.

skill wise cowboy > swick and hardy and it’s not even close

 

[ThunderStruck]

That’s cause cowboy mostly fought as a lw.

skill wise cowboy > swick and hardy and it’s not even close

Oh it looks like someone was very impressed by that Cowboy combo he landed against a nobody.

cowboy is the definition of a gatekeeper. Hardy and Swick would run through him just like the 15ish fighters who did.

 

[HHJ]

Oh it looks like someone was very impressed by that Cowboy combo he landed against a nobody.

cowboy is the definition of a gatekeeper. Hardy and Swick would run through him just like the 15ish fighters who did.

No,they wouldnt.

 

[grimballer]

Oh it looks like someone was very impressed by that Cowboy combo he landed against a nobody.

cowboy is the definition of a gatekeeper. Hardy and Swick would run through him just like the 15ish fighters who did.

that’s cause he faces (and loses) only to top guys

compare their resumes

names on cowboys resume vs names on Hardy’s and swicks

Cowboy resume > hardy and swick and it’s not even close.

 

[Coconutwater]

He says they are getting less technical, I say they are getting more efficient and when it comes to efficiency and preserving energy, avoiding the other guys takedowns and punching him in the face is about as energy efficient as you can get. eventually guys will stop bothering with takedowns and ground fighting altogether and we'll be left with boxing in 4 oz gloves in a cage, proving once and for all that boxing is truly the king of all combat sports. deal with it buttscooters

As a lifelong grappler, I must admit, there is some validity to this.

They say in boxing, your legs are first to go.

In MMA, I say your wrestling is first to go. You need too much skeletal stability (ligaments, tendons), explosiveness and anaerobic activity to grapple. Takedowns require tons of energy when trying it against someone with decent TDD.

Striking requires all of the above as well, but ages better. You almost never see old grapplers shoot doubles, but you see them still punching.

 

[ThunderStruck]

that’s cause he faces (and loses) only to top guys

compare their resumes

names on cowboys resume vs names on Hardy’s and swicks

Cowboy resume > hardy and swick and it’s not even close.

Cowboy's resume is a gatekeeper's resume. Hes had longevity i give you that. But prime for prime Hardy and Swick batters him if you know anything about mma.

Cowboy is a natural LW. He has no business at WW.

 

[grimballer]

Cowboy's resume is a gatekeeper's resume. Hes had longevity i give you that. But prime for prime Hardy and Swick batters him if you know anything about mma.

Cowboy is a natural LW. He has no business at WW.

I guess you’re as clueless as the other guy...

he fought 13 times as ww and has 6 win, 6 loses and one draw.

All his losses were against guys who were champs or fought for a title.

you could also make an argument he won Lawler and Pettis fights.

Who did hardy or swick beats that’s close to cowboys caliber?

 

[pankrat]

so I guess you decided to go full retard... congrats!

perry in “his peak” is a guy who got married/divorced within a year, doesn’t have a proper team and is cornered only by his new gf (who’s probably more clueless about the sport than even you)....

Yeah! It’s definitely “peak” Perry, smh...

Also Perry getting armbared by a bjj black belt who has 17 sub win in his career means he sucks?

i guess benson getting armbared by Pettis also means he sucks cause that’s Pettis only career armbar victory...

And gotta love the mmath without context

Perry has a win over Ellenberger (who has wins over title contenders like shields and koscheck) and Alex Oliveira (who choked out condit)

So following your dumb “logic”

perry > shields, koscheck and condit

again congrats on making yourself look even dumber!

just forget this account and start over

"gotta love the mmath without context"

I delivered context moron, I referenced the age and mileage of Alves and Diego, the health issues that forced Swick to retire...and you tell me about Perry getting married in his late 20s; holly shit you are such a monumental mongoloid

Then you deliver a ridiculous mma math about Shields, Ellenberger, Kos and Condit losses of course with no context whatsoever

Can you get more shertard? Its like you literally have every single feature of the textbook shertard. and a gold belt

 

[pankrat]

No,they wouldnt.

Probably they would not "run through him" but prime Swick and Hardy definitely can give Cerrone a tough fight. They did to legit 170 and 185lbers. Swick beat MW tittle challenger Loiseau and even fought LHW Stephan Bonnar

Is this "new generation" Cerrone - a guy who is in this game since 2006 - who runs through solid WWs and MWs a new thing in sherdog or what? I mean wtf
Swick was called "Quick" for a reason and Cerrone has problems with fast hands and is way smaller. The chances of him getting armbared like Perry are extremely low. It's not an easy fight for Cerrone by any means.
Same for Hardy, Cerrone is not prime Condit or any modern top5 WW.

 

[Feardoesnotexistinmydojo]

Timestamped

Cliffs:

- Fighters are better athletes but less technically sound than used to b because a lot of the ground and grappling training has been abandoned for the show of standup and being flashy.

- Fighters who you can take down and put in bad positions pretty easily because they are just not used to opposition doing it

- There are a lot of guys who have shorter careers because they focus too much in the standup

- "If we (him and Swick) were to come up at this time, we could be as succesful technically...but if you don't sell tickets the way the promoter wants, they have much more control over fighters nowadays. You literally need a certain number of social media followers to even get signed"

I don't entirely agree but let's remind Fitch is a leading fighter of one of the best and most prolific MMA gyms in the world across two decades. Debut in 2002, arguably beat the Bellator champion in 2019

Disagree, the standard of technique has got substantially better, Fitch or Swick coming through today wouldn’t have cracked top 10. Fighters got much better takedown defence and the ground game evolved, it used to become more of a wrestle/submission wrestling style, either pinning down and stalling or looking for a sub. The ground and pound was an afterthought and it has improved massively (see Khabib). But know it’s used more smartly, takedowns aren’t double legs shot from across the cage anymore

 

[pankrat]

Disagree, the standard of technique has got substantially better, Fitch or Swick coming through today wouldn’t have cracked top 10. Fighters got much better takedown defence and the ground game evolved, it used to become more of a wrestle/submission wrestling style, either pinning down and stalling or looking for a sub. The ground and pound was an afterthought and it has improved massively (see Khabib). But know it’s used more smartly, takedowns aren’t double legs shot from across the cage anymore

Fitch in his prime would not be ranked top10 today? He was ranked top15 still in his 40s, after almost 20 years of grind - and injuries. Very arguably beat Rory past year...which would give him a top10 spot.

> Fitch didnt just mindlessly shoot for double legs across the cage, not at all, nor GnP was an afterthought by 2010 man, we are not talking about 1995.
> The undisputed WW champion in 2020 is Kamaru Usman. He just defended vs short notice Masvidal, who is in this game since 2005. Barely did hurt him.
> Khabib is Khabib, who stepped up his game in AKA along with Fitch btw. Khabib'd dominate past competition as he does today.

Fitch is a staple of AKA, the gym who has produced more UFC champions this decade - including Khabib - if im not mistaken. Actually tested his skills with top10 competition across two decades.
Just to put his opinion in context. Of course we can disagree but Fitch certainly knows better what he is talking about than any of us.